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    Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Tobi/Obito theories and discsussions


    Post your latest theories and views about Tobi (Chapter 599) in the link below:

    Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some.


    So you have a sticky thread to post your theories and go whacky ( without breaking rules off course) filling the gaps till Kishi does it himself.

    Now pleas STOP making hundreds of thread over it like crazy!!

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    Link for predictions and discussions about Obito/Tobi after chapter 601.


    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...05#post8330605

     
         
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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    O_o

    Anyway.... if Kishimoto knew Tobi was Obito from the beginning, there's no way he would screw up on plot holes.

    Just continue to read the manga, and stop whining like selfish, unappreciative fans.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Currently I believe that Obito's body is being used by another human. In terms of someone else's soul resides inside Obito. Perhaps it is Izuna or the spirit of the juubi that is using Obito's body.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    idk whats gunna happen now but ill wait 4 kishi
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Hope it's not obito but tbh this just ruined the tobi id thing for me and idc anymore.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Quote Originally Posted by -S- View Post
    O_o

    Anyway.... if Kishimoto knew Tobi was Obito from the beginning, there's no way he would screw up on plot holes.

    Just continue to read the manga, and stop whining like selfish, unappreciative fans.
    ^ Agreed. :D

    Its not like he just wings it and pops whatever he feels is awesome at the time
    Quote Originally Posted by Hipster Madara View Post
    Hope it's not obito but tbh this just ruined the tobi id thing for me and idc anymore.
    Somewhat agreed... I want to see more of Madara now ..
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    I wouldn't be surprised if Tobi is using the same jutsu Orochimaru had used. Maybe he likes young Uchiha lads too, lol.
     
         
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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Quote Originally Posted by Roby View Post
    ^ Agreed. :D

    Its not like he just wings it and pops whatever he feels is awesome at the time


    Somewhat agreed... I want to see more of Madara now ..
    Yeah, or sasuke. The tobi fight has been boring me for a while.
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSlick View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if Tobi is using the same jutsu Orochimaru is using. Maybe he likes young Uchiha lads too, lol.
    Everyone's pedo for young uchiha lads..
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Quote Originally Posted by Hipster Madara View Post
    Yeah, or sasuke. The tobi fight has been boring me for a while.


    Everyone's pedo for young uchiha lads..
    But no ones as much pedo as Orochimaru :zonder:
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    After chapter 599, I am pretty sure that Tobi is not Obito!

    First lets start with the beginning.

    Uchiha Madara!
    Was around 25 years old when Konoha was founded.
    Around 10 years later he fought Hashirama and was "defeated", but got Hashirama's cells.
    He was very injured after this fight, and the coming years he created Zetsu! And around the same time he got the rinnengan. And shortly after he got the rinnengan he died. Not much older than the fight between him and Hashirama. Here somewhere Tobi must already have been involved. He got the rinnengan. And approximately 40 years later. Nagato was born. Tobi gave the eyes to Nagato. To use them to revive Madara.

    Now here is where the things get weird. If Madara died about 30 years before Nagato was even born. How in the world would he even know about Nagato. But Madara resturrected did know about him! but looked just as he did in his prime. and this is the only thing my theori cant fit in.

    But here it goes.

    Madara created White Zetsu and Black Zetsu. And a third! Tobi. beein half madara half zetsu. As we have seen some of white zetsu's ability, to take chakra and copy the enemy looking just like them (dont know if he can use their abilities but yes) What if the third creation Tobi had that ability just way better, with some of madara's conciseness. He first took Madara's body. thu's having the long hair we have seen in some chapters aswell Madara's memories therfore knowing everything about his past and so on. In the world war were Obito presumably died. What is Tobi used that same ability to change into Obito's body! He did and he really liked his Sharingan technique, but at the sametime he got some of obitos personality (aswell as obitos memories, he dreams and so on). just as he got from madara' the first time. Thus he used the Madara body, when meeting with Kisame, Itachi etc.. Making them believe he was the real Madara. Using tobi's body when he needed that and using his Sharingan.

    Before this chapter I thought, well maybe it is Obito! But when I saw obito, I just got a feeling it is not Obito. Because it just does not make sense that. Madara gave Nagato the Rinnengan and still beeing this young. I think that had chakra within tobi so when he was revieved he knew what tobi had done "like kage bunshin" it came back to him. When he switched to Obito's body, Madara could not sense what he was doing no more. Tobi attacked yondaime, a couple of years after Obito died. And if it was Obito, how in the world could he had learned sooo much, in such a short time. Did Madara teach him? I doubt it
    Did white and black zetsu find him and teach him. Possibly but very unlikely. Pluss Akatsuki, was already created before Obito died!


    Tobi is Obito?
    It seems as if everybody thinks that now! But I just have my doubts.
    What do you guys think??
    is Tobi really Obito?
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSlick View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if Tobi is using the same jutsu Orochimaru had used. Maybe he likes young Uchiha lads too, lol.
    This.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Madara definitely knows Nagato, and he has implied that he knows Tobi. How - I wonder. I still find it hard to believe the body and soul is Obito's as the timeline really stuffs it up. Tobi was doing stuff as an adult, when Obito physically could not have carried out.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Watching Kakashi Chronicles again is just the most awkward experience knowing what I know.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    I bet Obito is the best ****ing fire style user now. How much you wanna bet he's gonna pull out some sick ass fire style.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    SPOILERS INCLUDED!

    Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

    Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

    What my questions/remarks are:

    1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

    2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

    Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

    If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

    3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

    There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

    So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

    It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

    My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

    Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.
    True that you were very close.
    You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

    He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

    So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

    What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

    The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

    Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

    Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

    Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say ) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

    Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

    Nonetheless, we have to wait.
    Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

    And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
    Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

    Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

    If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.
    The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
    That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.
    Regarding Madara, simple here as well.

    Fought Hashirama -> Got Rinnegan -> Took some Hashirama DNA -> Saw that time is passing by and he is getting close to his end -> Made Zetsu -> Used RinneTensei to bring back Izuna -> Entrusted them the plan -> Died safely knowing he will be later revived. With the given data until now, timeline matches.

    Why Izuna to chose Tobi and how would he know Obito? Simple. Zetsu info on everything gathered. Zetsu got Obito's body. Izuna took it as probably from the RinneTensei his body wsn't in a good state(?) nad used Obito's body.
    If you look when Itachi seeks his help, he doesn't recommend himself as Tobi. Later on he would use the idea for creating a bigger pshycological impact on his rivals.
     
         
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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    We're all frantically panicking about the prospect of Tobi turning out to be the most anti-climatic choice of identity, Obito. But what struck me is that we're all accepting that Tobi is Obito without a direct confession, without any sort of substantial proof but simply his mask being removed and a flashback which most likely came from Kakashi.

    This chapter revealed almost nothing about who Tobi is, yes he has a resemblance to Obito but couldn't that be explained by Tobi being a relative of Obito e.g. Obito's Dad/Kagami Uchiha

    Izuna Theorists are also still in the game, with Obito's body simply being the shell which holds his consciousness.

    I'm not denial about Tobi being Obito but at the same time i will not blindly accept something without any form of substantial evidence.
     
         
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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    People are still angry, eh. It wasn't the most creative choice, but it was probably the best one. I explain what I mean here. I didn't care before and I don't care now, Tobi backstory was what I really cared about not who he was. He is a cool character no matter what. He clearly still isn't that crybaby ninja from Kakashi Gaiden.
     
         

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    Re: Obito's connection w/ Naruto

    Really? So how bout when Naruto changed Nagato. Its not that far off from the storyline or Naruto's ability to be able to change Tobi. It would be pretty stupid to think that it shouldn't happen and be mad about it. The way Madara is at the moment he is way too strong for the current group that is fighting him. If he really wanted to he would of killed them already without breaking a sweat. Id say Kakashi, Naruto, tobi, bee and that guy that has the wooden jutsu would be a better team against him. Gai can stand on the sideline and cheer them on.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Why are people getting so butthurt because of this??

    This is Kishi's anima/manga. So he can do whatever the hell he wants to do with it. Everything in it is not going to go your way. And if your unsatisfied with a chapter, scene, history, flashback, or whatever it may be. You people have to accept it (not referring to everyone), because sulking over it, isn't going to change anything.

    No wonder NB is starting to obtain more and more bad trolls, it must be because more and more immature kids are joining this entire forum lately. :sy:

    (Why did my comment not show before? O___O)
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    I really, REALLY don't hope it's anyone else. This just makes it all the more dramatic. I wouldn't care at all if it was Izuna or Kagami or some other nobody. You can't deny the amazing impact this is having, right?

    If it's someone else, I'll get extremely disappointed. I bet Obito just trained with Madara who fed him lies and hatred and so on. Madara was most likely the one who fought against Minato and controlled the Mizukage.
     
         

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