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    When you assume...

    Okay a lot of people are starting to piss me off. Now i know half of you couldn't give a damn about what I'm going to say but just hear me out. Why do people automatically assume that kishi is a shitty writer and start saying how many plot holes there are before the story is even over??

    Give Kishi a chance to explain (as we know he will)

    and also, to the argument that tobi CANT be obito because tobi was controlling the mizukage before obito was born... Have you ever thought about MAYBE that was madara? anyone can put a mask on and call themselves a different name. I don't know, i guess what im saying is give kishi a chance to explain what the hells going on before you start yelling at him for plot holes when the mangas not even finished
     
         

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    Re: When you assume...

    your right, hes not a shitty writer just because he just made one of the bigest blunders in naruto history, every makes mistakes once in a while, and it was kishi turn, soooo yeah, hopefully he can make up for it, hes not perfect.
     
         

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    Re: When you assume...

    , base is a free shit and that's just how people are their gonna complain but they will get over it. Just ignore it for now
     
         

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    Re: When you assume...

    BOOya grandma
     
         

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    Re: When you assume...

    Its not like Kishi's crying about this, so why are you?
    Get your act together and stop argueing and wait
     
         

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    Re: When you assume...

    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted Fate View Post
    Its not like Kishi's crying about this, so why are you?
    Get your act together and stop argueing and wait
    ^ This :ice:
     
         

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    Re: When you assume...

    This case can't be solved by simply saying Tobi is Obito, it's way more complicated than that and we can only speculate for now.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    There's a theory I have. Refering to how can Obito have fought Minato as a grown man. If he was supposed to be 14 at the time.

    Sometime after being crushed, he unlocked the Mangekyou Sharingan, unlocking his ability to use Kamui. As we know the MS can only be unlocked by the emotion of losing a best friend, which leads me to believe his selfless act of saving Kakashi played a role in the activation as he didn't want to lose him. This caused his MS to be activated and he be transported to his dimension. In this Dimension having no clear control of the technique he ended up spending years there gaining power and control of the technique. Of course his supposed years in side that Space/Time Dimension weren't actual years in the real world but that dimension (Kishi has a fondness for DBZ and this dimension in my opionon has some sort connection to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber which Gohan and Goku trained in. A day in the real world = one year in the chamber, thus Obito being stuck in this chamber grew stronger as he worked to master his new found power. He grew and had multiple "years" to dwell on the idea of war.

    However this is the part where I'm trying to link when he began to gain Madara's ideals, however there has been been evidence in the Manga that states the two are already acquainted and working together.

    From chapters

    559 page 2
    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c559/2.html
    Madara comments on Nagato - a person born way after Madara's time. How does a dead person know this information if someone hasn't told it to him? Very odd unless someone (Obito) had a direct line to him.

    560 page 1-2
    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c560/

    Madara looks on as the shinobi try to figure out who the Masked Man actually is and Madara comments on it. Stating things obviously aren't going as planned for him.

    561 page 9
    http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/9.html

    Madara speaks about THIER plans with Kabuto.

    The thing I can't figure out is how the two ever became linked in the first place. How did Obito get involve with Madara at all? Why is Madara on Obito's side? How did Obito survive the crushing all together w/o being healed? (which I have another theory for but no real proof)

    Either way after gaining those ideals, he went out and fought against Minato and yadayadayada... did all that stuff... which leads us to the present.
    :P and there you have it.
     
         

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    Re: When you assume...

    I love all of this to be honest. Definitely my forte. Please, continue slaughtering eachother and Kishi. Verbally, that is..
     
         

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    Re: When you assume...

    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted Fate View Post
    Its not like Kishi's crying about this, so why are you?
    Get your act together and stop argueing and wait
    lol whos crying? im just in shock that so many people can jump the gun on the whole "kishi is a shitty writer look at all these plot holes" thing lmao but yes you're right the best thing to do now is wait for the next chapters to explain I'm sorry if i came across as a little b*tch
     
         

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    Re: When you assume...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSiege View Post
    lol whos crying? im just in shock that so many people can jump the gun on the whole "kishi is a shitty writer look at all these plot holes" thing lmao but yes you're right the best thing to do now is wait for the next chapters to explain I'm sorry if i came across as a little b*tch
    Your right man. People need to set the hell down and wait!
     
         

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    Re: Obito's connection w/ Naruto

    Quote Originally Posted by Reizke View Post
    Really? So how bout when Naruto changed Nagato. Its not that far off from the storyline or Naruto's ability to be able to change Tobi. It would be pretty stupid to think that it shouldn't happen and be mad about it. The way Madara is at the moment he is way too strong for the current group that is fighting him. If he really wanted to he would of killed them already without breaking a sweat. Id say Kakashi, Naruto, tobi, bee and that guy that has the wooden jutsu would be a better team against him. Gai can stand on the sideline and cheer them on.
    Personally, I prefer for Obito to stay on the same path as he is following now. The formula for Talk-no-Jutsu can't be the solution for everything and it would honestly ruin the image of the antagonist that he been well built up for so long. But you are right, there is definitely a possibility that Obito can be swayed by Naruto's words and join the fight against Madara Uchiha.

    That being said, Obito could very well be the person that the Mountain Toad Sage was referring to when he spoke of his vision. It could be either of the three remaining Uchiha's left for all we know. Instead of Obito joining forces with Naruto to defeat Madara it could honestly be Sasuke too, seeing as to where he is going in the plot so far.
     
         

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    Re: When you assume...

    What I don't get is why does some people say that they are not gonna read Naruto ever again and calling it shit after this one chapter? I mean, come on, is it really anything to overreact this much about?
     
         

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    Re: Hold your horses (Tobito)

    Quote Originally Posted by FlareBlitz View Post
    One thing about the kisame/madara thing how do we know kisane knew what the real madara looked like?.......... I mean couldn't anuone just pop up with long hair and sharingan and claim to be madara, then some years later come back and meet up with him and it be the same person?
    True. There's no real evidence that Obito used Genjutsu on Kisame either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot34501 View Post
    Tobi is Izuna using Obito's body with him
    Madara knows Tobi; Madara is sure Izuna is dead.

    Quote Originally Posted by havean View Post
    wait a second how do we know the date when madara got the rin????? it is obito now but used to be madara after doing alot of research obito was actually older than kakashi. so instead of beingg 14 he would have be 17. still young but look at sauske and naruto both very strong
    Madara explicitly told Kabuto that he obtained the Rinnegan shortly before he died. This was before he brought the meteorites in.

    I know you got the Obito-Kakashi-age thing from their graduation ages. To add perspective: Kakashi and Gai have very different graduation ages but are still roughly the same age.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ambush View Post
    can we all just accept the fact that zestu fount obito in the woods and is now his other half that simple lol who wouldent want to take over an uchiha?:shrug:
    This is probable, especially as Zetsu could be this underling Madara knows.
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    it is obito end of story now there are going to be conspiracy theorys. people are thinking to much..
     
         

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    Re: Tobi/ObitoTheories: What, why and how and then some

    Why Tobi Isn't Obito theory

    One big thing with this is that it's just to obvious. Also with all the plot holes and time based events it makes no since and is improbable. So here's a theory IF that is Obitos body...I saw if because it doesn't look like Obito....how can u guys claim it's him when you can't tell? But anyway if it is his body he is being controlled by Izuna. You may ask Izuna!? How well it's simple before Madara used Edo Tensai. He also then taught his brother the seals to break it shortly after he may have died. Now Obito was crushed by a rock so I believe Zetsu found Obito and he saved Obito.......Zetsu would then use his cells to reconstruct Obito's face. Here are also some points why he can't be Obito.
    1. Obito wouldn't turn evil.
    2. Obito was like Naruto as a kid he wanted peace and wanted to be Hokage.
    3. Obito had a massive growth spurt in a year.
    4. Obito had a massive voice change in a year.
    5. How do I know it's a year well simple we know that Naruto is 16 so therefore the attack on the village happened 16 years ago.
    6. The third Shinobi war was about 17 years ago and that's when Obito died.
    7. Kakashi is 30 now and we now from the kakashi Gaiden series that he is in the same age group as Obito so 30-16 is 14.
    8. So your tellin me Obito was 14 when he took on the forth?
    9. You think the forth would have so much trouble with a kid?
    10. Don't you think Minato would notice his own student?
    So here's my theory:*
    As I stated above Madara revived his brother and gave him Obito eye. He also gave his brother a set of instructions for the moon-eye plan, this included Izuna using his brothers name, because Madara knew that his name would strike fear in the ninja world.
    So 16 years ago when tobi attacked the leaf I'm saying that it wasn't Obito that tobi was Izuna. The plan to retrieve the nine tails failed as we all know.
    Then 8 years later Izuna was approached by Itachi they made their deal and whipped out the Uchiha. Around this time Tobi met Danzo.
    Then we see Tobi controlling the forth Mizukage leading to the years of the bloody mist. Remember Kisame knew the Mizukage was being manipulated so he then joined Tobi and helped him. Also remember when Kisame asked to see is face he then "confirmed" that the masked man was Madara but if you remember Madara and Izuna looked very much alike so Kismae could've been easily been mistaking.

    Ok fast forward to early Shippuden when we had "Tobi is a good boy" tobi. I believe that was still Izuna just trolling everybody.

    Ok now to beginning of the war. This is where Obito comes in....well his body at least we see Tobi fighting Konan for Nagatos eyes. When konan crack Tobis mask we see the scares on the side of his face like we see now. This can be a simple Zetsu Clone made to look like Obito just with implanted Sharingans. Or it can be Obito(if he wasn't dead at the time Zetsu got to his body) being manipulated by the Sharingan.*

    Now fast forward to now Tobi has Obitos Sharingan and one of Nagatos Rinnegan and it is belived to be Obitos body. So Izuna is somewhere far away with one Sharingan and the other Rinnegan eye controlling Obito via 6 paths of pain.*

    Conclusion: Tobi is Izuna.
     
         

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    the body? OBITO the man inside....????

    ok ok its been such a long time since I entered to this site sooo it really brings back memories....(enough BS lets go straight to the point)

    i have a doubt or a theory about Obito
    to simply put it this way i think obito is not the person we just got to see in chap. 599 yes its his body but no its not the same person.

    NO SHIT right? a bunch of people already sed that!

    anyways i believe that this is another person just because of a few simple things that everyone knows (im gonna say them and then ill explain why i do believe this could happen)

    1-''Obito'' clearly has WAAAY tooo much knowledge of SOSP, about Madara and Izuna and...well practicaly everything there is to know about the ninja world i guess...he sed he did so many things like giving the rinnegan to nagato too....and obviously if it is Obito he did not live to meet and obtain all this knowledge of soo many people and things in such a short period of time.

    2-this is what most people forgget or skip while making theories is that if ''Obito'' was the leader of akatsuki then why when he first appeared as tobi he wasnt even a member? and why was his personality soo odd??? i mean he was rather goofy, not serious about much things and he never showed so much potential and skill like he had up till now??? then all of a sudden he ends up being the akatsuki leader,he ends up being 24/7 serious about his stuff and he ends up being a total badass??? .....if he made akatsuki it was because he wanted to make his plans easier am i wrong??? then why did he left all of them to go to waste and die??? (excluding hiddan and zetsu)...maybe tobi was his real self or maybe obito was reall alive until somepoint in being in akatsuki yet he changed his role for some reason.

    i believe and this is just me here...that maybe the person inside obito had some connections first of all with madara (duh) and second with orochimaru...
    i think (and if im wrong please let me know) that maybe when orochimaru left akatsuki to do his research blah blah blah someone might have been there to learn what he was doing and for some reason i believe madara met with orochimaru at some point....i think that the person inside obito is a person that learned how to use that body transfer that oro. did in the early naruto series and i believe its a person that...might have lived not by madaras era but in between madaras era and oro's too...maybe madara never died fighting hashirama and when he knew he was gonna die sooner or later he entrusted oro. or somebody to spy on oro. and learn a jutsu that could make people come back to life without using a rinnegan....in this case the edo-jutsu we all know....and maybe madara knew he was gonna be revived at some point like he mentioned....but going back to what i was talking...i think its obitos body but the person inside is clearly not him and maybe it is someone that can use this type of jutsu and for some reason he wanted obitos body...maybe his only eye left was special or maybe theres something in that uchiha body that is very special and important who knows!

    i just want to know what you people think and if i am wrong in something let me know. btw i want to know who do you people might think he is (the person inside his body) and if you think its plain obito then proove it with facts and im not talking about his body cause i know you might say something like that :flaw:
    THANKS FOR READING :D
     
         

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    Re: the body? OBITO the man inside....????

    Use the search bar.
     
         

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    Re: the body? OBITO the man inside....????

    the man inside i think is izuna
     
         

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