Tobi being Obito, A huge double bluff from Kishi?

[whatsupdealer]

It seems allot of people are disappointed with chapter 599 and tobi being obito, but this may just be a drop in the bucket. We still have chapter 600 to look forward to for an explanation!

For all we know Obito could just be a host, come on, why would he call himself "a nobody"? and also what did Madara mean when he said "It would appear that little brat nagato was allowed to grow" in chap 559?, how did he know about nagato when he was meant to be dead?

There are allot of mysteries in the whole manga and tobi being Obito is a mystery in itself which the later chapters will explain!
Kishi isn't the one to make predictable story lines, for all we know this could just be a huge double bluff on his part! let me know what you think !

[fati]

this week will be the longest week ever

[3MESSIAH]

this week will be the longest week ever

haha true :D

[Expulso]

Explanation On How Tobi Can Be Obito

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

Exactly ! , people are getting either extremely excited or extremely disappointed so early..

which is wrong because we haven't even gotten an explanation yet , I'm sure a successful Mangaka like Kishi can blow our minds at the last second .

[Mr.Beastie]

If he was a just a hos whats the point of telling his past so early in the unmasking.

[KevinPJH]

I personally doubt it is Obito, he lacks motive.

[konahamaru sasuke]

Tobi can be obito because when the rocks fall his still alive

[KevinPJH]

Even if Obito did live, he would have had to have been brain washed to do what he did to Konoha and to fight Minato.

[Chatte]

Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say ) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.

The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.

[Kakuzu Jr]

I'm just waiting for the chapter that tells me how it makes sense, because it doesn't.

[itachi200882]

tobi are 2 PEOPLE !!!!! 1 is obito and 1 other i am sure of it

[GANGSTA KAGE]

I don't know y I waste my time reading these stupid threads about shit that already happen. Every body wants there fav ninja to be the strongest I feel a lot of ninja should be alive and well but there not and I've accepted that u lames want everything your way it's not ur show stop getting mad about y'all fav ninja cause they all play a role if u like it or not crybabies

[cjhei]

Let just wait for the next chapter to come out and let kishi explain how tobi become obito...

[Higekage]

For all we know Obito could just be a host, come on, why would he call himself "a nobody"?

It's true, Obito is a nobody.

[darthvader5666]

It probably is. I just don't see how Tobi can be Obito.

1. He said something like "do you have ANY idea how long I've been waiting for this?" after extracting Kurama from Kushina. He's obviously been waiting a long time. Not to mention he's obviously pretty old, since he called Konan, who's like 40, a "little girl."

2. He controlled Yagura, most likely before Obito's death. How the hell did Obito do that?

3. He claimed to have spurred Yahiko to form Akatsuki, and given Nagato the rinnegan. Again, how could Obito have done that?

4. Madara knew Tobi, and he died when Nagato was a kid (probably around 30 years ago). Meaning Obito probably wasn't even born yet.

5. Obito lacks motive. How did he turn evil in such a short time? And why would he want to put the world under the infinite Tsukuyomi?

6. Why would Obito have helped Itachi wipe out the Uchiha clan?

Tobi's probably just using Obito's body.