Itachi's Legendary Weapons fluctuates in size

[Blaze Release]

There are many mysteries still surrounding these weapons, examples are;

• How Itachi got them
• Can it block a TBB
• The effects of a kg or tota on it, particularly dust release
• Effects of kamui on it since the db has basically described this match as a immovable object vs unstoppable force scenario
• Can the sword seal a tailed beast

However this thread isn't about these issues because they would still remain unknown. Neither weapons were truly tested to its limits to give an accurate answer. This thread however is to state that neither weapon has a fixed size and the size of the weapon fluctuates depending on who wields it.

Before i go onto the my main reasons, just by looking at the weapons and comparing their size to naruto,bee and itachi its at least 20 times bigger than them. I find it very hard to believe that the weapons magically fitted susano to wield. Almost as if they were tailor-made for something as big as susano to wield. Not when the manga has made clear that its a weapon that orochimaru has sorted for some time, but also it doesnt come with susano. No human could wield a weapon 20 times as big as them, its impossible so who was the weapon created for. Definitely not a human, a giant perhaps? :confused:


We know that both weapons have some transformation ability. The totsuka is from a gourd and the sword itself is liquid. The yata mirror changes its properties in accordance with the attack;

However what governs both these transformation abilities is that, both weapons are ethereal weapons or in other words spiritual weapons with no physical form.

Totsuka no Tsurugi;



Yata mirror;

From the description its very possible that because it has no physical form but also has other transformation abilities its very possible that its size fluctuates depending on the wielder, therefore if an entity smaller than susano was to try and wield it, it could possible decrease in size to allow this. Similarly if an entity bigger than susano was to wield it, lets say a perfect susano, it would increase in size to allow this. The weapons are very similar to susano itself because that is also an ethereal weapon. Its size changes in accordance with what the user wants, these are the stages of susano.

[SuperFlyzzED]

Blaze Release your still a mystery to Base.

[IKSOKRIPS]

Itachi can still kill NARUTO.

No he can't, he is dead.

[spokentruth]

i agree totsuka has unlimited rage and yata can cover a 360

[Prince Charles]

Imo this is what ive been saying

it states in the db yata mirror can change its characteristics and properties depending on the attack to render it useless.

[SuperFlyzzED]

Imo this is what ive been saying

it states in the db yata mirror can change its characteristics and properties depending on the attack to render it useless.

I don't know, but this thread was obvious. I mean what does he expect?

[Kira was Righteous]

Technically the yata mirror should be able to block a TBB and Kamui unless those two are described as unstoppable(which i doubt) in the databook or Manga

Its pretty obvious the sword can grow to any length it wants however whether the shield can grow bigger is subject to speculation not facts but its interesting perhaps if the sage of 6 paths wielded them without Susanoo and there was a size difference then this would be backed up

The sword obviously has physically presence or it wouldn't physically harm people and cause damage unlike for example Nagatos soul dragon which just takes peoples souls without the physical damage

However if the Yata mirror can truly adapt to any attack then perhaps bigger attacks like TBB will make it bigger who knows

[★OnPoint]

i agree totsuka has unlimited rage and yata can cover a 360

@OP, it'd make sense for the weapons to be able to alter their size.

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

Nice thread , good read ..

your assumptions sound neat , I personally find myself agreeing with what you stated here .

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[Bud Weekley]

Not to take away from your efforts, but this thread is almost useless.

[SuperFlyzzED]

The guy who wrote that thread about you might come soon.

[Blaze Release]

Itachi can still kill NARUTO.

This is very good tho :D

Dont get hasty and please dont drift away from the topic. I dont want this to turn into something else

[sindi1997]

Hi blaze great thread as usual And I agree on that size of the spirtial weapons can be changed you are right But If yata could Protect its wielder From a 360 Attack That would make itachi invinsible Cuz really no attack would work on him exept CT Which is basicly locking Him as For toska I think It can pierce through anything and seal even the bijuu i know how op that sounds But If the sword is spirtual That would make it By far stronger than the weapons the sage wielded and we know one of 5 sages weapons was able to seal hachibi that s crazy strong now image a spirtiual weapon which is by Far stronger than any wepaon created by hummans as for the piercing part all the sword is spirtual it pierces through The victim S spirit and seals it in a eternety genjutsu like a Dream. So basicly everthing that has a spirit can be sealed and almost anything has a spirit even susanoo itslef For those saying that it can't seal tailed beasts because it can't pierce through all you have to do is look at this http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/501/8
However even after that i still Think naruto>itachi not trying to start a flame of war

[Staarkk]

I agree 100% *****

[Prince Charles]

Nb so lame i brought these chaps up to surface and topic in threads before but plp ignored me and flammed me but as soon as blaze brings it up...

I aint even mad..

[Blaze Release]

Hi blaze great thread as usual And I agree on that size of the spirtial weapons can be changed you are right But If yata could Protect its wielder From a 360 Attack That would make itachi invinsible Cuz really no attack would work on him exept CT Which is basicly locking Him as For toska I think It can pierce through anything and seal even the bijuu i know how op that sounds But If the sword is spirtual That would make it By far stronger than the weapons the sage wielded and we know one of 5 sages weapons was able to seal hachibi that s crazy strong now image a spirtiual weapon which is by Far stronger than any wepaon created by hummans as for the piercing part all the sword is spirtual it pierces through The victim S spirit and seals it in a eternety genjutsu like a Dream. So basicly everthing that has a spirit can be sealed and almost anything has a spirit even susanoo itslef For those saying that it can't seal tailed beasts because it can't pierce through all you have to do is look at this http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/501/8
However even after that i still Think naruto>itachi not trying to start a flame of war

There is the manipulation of size which is this thread and the manipulation of shape, you are hinting that it could do both similar to hiruzen's Kongonyoi (enma henge technique), and protect the user from 360 degrees, however i very much doubt this

[Varrah]

“The weapon fluctuates depending on who wields it.”

That’s interesting; it would definitively explain why those weapons perfectly fit Itachi’s Susano’o in particular.

“No human could wield a weapon 20 times as big as them, its impossible so who was the weapon created for. Definitely not a human, a giant perhaps?”

This is yet another stimulating point. These weapons may have been either used by the Sage himself at some point in his life; possibly made after he became a Jinchuuriki or like you proposed a different entity altogether. Anyway it is great point to bring up, especially if one would like to discover the origins of the weapons.

In general, I think you should make a thread that covers the points that precede the thread. Overall I think this is reasonable practical, as the transformation abilities of the weapons loosely imply that the weapons do change in accordingly to its wielder.

[Prince Charles]

I aint even mad... But plus rep still a awesome thread.

[' ~ Dantee ~ ']

Nb so lame i brought these chaps up to surface and topic in threads before but plp ignored me and flammed me but as soon as blaze brings it up...

I aint even mad..

Lmao this x10. People have stated this already but they were usually ignored and called fanboys. Blaze brings it up its like a whole new enlightment for them.

Anyway nice thread as always Blaze.

[Prince Charles]

Lmao this x10. People have stated this already but they were usually ignored and called fanboys. Blaze brings it up its like a whole new enlightment for them.

Anyway nice thread as always Blaze.

Exavtly.. Only proves how plp are shallow and quick to change their mind...

But i cant hate on my nigga blaze tho very informative and awesome Thread

[Prince Charles]

But blaze one question do you think the yata mirror can adapt to a certain form even though go it has no form? I brought this up before sayingj ust because a object has no form doesn't mean it cant take form And revert back to its original state?

[Arcane Angel]

I thought this obvious because it was strongly hinted throughout the manga because of the fact that Orochimaru himself was looking for it his whole life implies that it is wieldable by human or at least some kind of entity. Furthermore, I bet if you was to give Itachi the treasured tools of the Sage such as Kohaku no Jōhei or Bashōsen then its size would fluctuate in order to accommodate Itachi's Susano.

Similarly if you were to switch it the other way round to GinKin brothers then the Totsuka's gourd size or the Yata Mirror itself would change in order to accommodate Kinkaku or Ginkaku for that matter.

[Blaze Release]

But blaze one question do you think the yata mirror can adapt to a certain form even though go it has no form? I brought this up before sayingj ust because a object has no form doesn't mean it cant take form And revert back to its original state?

Double posts arent allowed, you should sort that out before a mod comes . At the end of the day they are a sword and shield. I dont want to get into shape manipulation because it gets difficult and hard to estimate. Im however going by what info ive been given my the db and manga and state the size only. Whether its transformation abilities have a limit, i do not know

[★-Star-]

@OP, it'd make sense for the weapons to be able to alter their size.

***** for the Jags fan. (My favorite team)

['Ray]

Nice thread

i Have always Thought about this Idea

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