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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by th1s1guysays View Post
    I cant seem to understand why Tobi needs to take his anger out on the whole world. Why not deal with Kakashi personally? Rin must have died in an extremely cruel way.
    We will find out soon, btw your tobi sig is epic!
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    All those guys are still cooler than Sasuke..
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.


    Please say this thread is a ****ing joke.

    You think it was just Yahiko's death that threw Nagato over the edge? Do you have any idea how actual emotions and genuine hate builds up!? Nagato has the most realistic and amazing backstory to explain his current character. He was born in a WAR, everything he ever loved or cherished (his mum, his home, his dad, his dog, his friend) died or was taken from him by war and evil warlords. Somewhere in Nagato's head he summarised that war had to be stopped and went about it.

    Madara Uchiha had just as much right to the Hokage throne as Hashirama did, his own village that HE HIMSELF FORMED turned against him and even his own clan who he fought his life for hated him. His respect mixed in with his hate for Hashirama makes complete sense and also hey, he's a Uchiha- of course he's going to blow things out of proportion.

    Orochimaru? We have the Severus Snape effect, he was born just a little distorted and just because his interests and ideals are slightly different he is shunned for it even though he is just as deserving as the other candidate was. That and his parents dying, Orochimaru was likely just born warped with that murderous touch.

    I'm not saying Sasuke didn't have his reasons for turning into a bit of a nutjob- especially around the company of psychopaths such as Orochimaru, Naruto and Obito but do not think he is the only one who has a genuine reason for turning evil. Next you're going to tell me Gaara had no good reason for hating his village and wanting to kill people either.
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by rahul chaudhary View Post
    STFU!!! itachi is genius and itachi died and kill uchihas only to save konoha and sasuke is a stupid who want to destroy konoha....u should use your mind before making such threads..
    aww someone needs a nap
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Sasuke had a good reason to kill itachi and danzo, but his hate towards konoha is kinda not legitimate, and shows his unplaced hate *****iness
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by numbers View Post

    Please say this thread is a ****ing joke.

    You think it was just Yahiko's death that threw Nagato over the edge? Do you have any idea how actual emotions and genuine hate builds up!? Nagato has the most realistic and amazing backstory to explain his current character. He was born in a WAR, everything he ever loved or cherished (his mum, his home, his dad, his dog, his friend) died or was taken from him by war and evil warlords. Somewhere in Nagato's head he summarised that war had to be stopped and went about it.

    Madara Uchiha had just as much right to the Hokage throne as Hashirama did, his own village that HE HIMSELF FORMED turned against him and even his own clan who he fought his life for hated him. His respect mixed in with his hate for Hashirama makes complete sense and also hey, he's a Uchiha- of course he's going to blow things out of proportion.

    Orochimaru? We have the Severus Snape effect, he was born just a little distorted and just because his interests and ideals are slightly different he is shunned for it even though he is just as deserving as the other candidate was. That and his parents dying, Orochimaru was likely just born warped with that murderous touch.

    I'm not saying Sasuke didn't have his reasons for turning into a bit of a nutjob- especially around the company of psychopaths such as Orochimaru, Naruto and Obito but do not think he is the only one who has a genuine reason for turning evil. Next you're going to tell me Gaara had no good reason for hating his village and wanting to kill people either.
    Uchiha Madara's reasons are still not that deep for me, Hashirama formed the village with him not just Madara also he wanted to go against the senju's but his clan didn't, they didn't hate him they just didn't want to fight any more. He took things out of proportion saying his clan "betrayed" him but I guess it's the Uchiha curse of hatred thing.

    Orochimaru really didn't have that great of a reason to turn evil, he was sadden by all the death in this world people dying and not reaching their full potential and because you don't want to turn out like that you start experimenting on people and things to gain immortally and unlock your full potential? That's not that great of a reason to turn evil. His hate towards konoha because he was turned down for hokage, well he was killing people :shrug: what type of hokage is that basically the same as Danzo.

    Imo I think sasuke had the most legitimate reasons out of all the villains today, I did the thread in a troll way but the I meant what I was trying to portray and that is sasuke has the most legitimate reason to turn evil
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    NO, Sasuke has no right to kill everyone in Konoha.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hidden Shinobi View Post
    Imo I think sasuke had the most legitimate reasons out of all the villains today, I did the thread in a troll way but the I meant what I was trying to portray and that is sasuke has the most legitimate reason to turn evil
    Fair enough, thanks for coming back with a genuinely interesting argument. I don't blame Sasuke really, he's just been played his entire life and led to this. Of course he was going to turn into a psycho, it's a miracle he hadn't already.

    Nagato and Gaara take it for me though.

    The best way someone has dealt with their problems though? Rock Lee. Maybe Naruto.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    When Sasuke's clan died, wasn't every there for him? He was the most popular and well liked kid in Konoha. He had support from everyone. So why did Sasuke decide to be a jerk and leave? He could've killed Itachi and Orochimaru for revenge but he didn't have to turn evil and go after Konoha. He had friends it was him that dedcided to throw all of it away for no reason. Naruto would've done anything to be in Sasuke's position(at that time) to have friends, be popular and stuff. Naruto didn't have anyone for comfort right off the back when he was young, Sasuke did. But that's my opinion.

    But tbh everyone has a legit reason for how they turned out. I just think Sasuke's is a tad bit lesser than the rest(you can't say Obito yet because there's still needs to be some explaining).
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by KidGamer65 View Post
    NO, Sasuke has no right to kill everyone in Konoha.
    Yes but imo he has the most legitimate reason to out of the rest of the villains

    Quote Originally Posted by numbers View Post
    Fair enough, thanks for coming back with a genuinely interesting argument. I don't blame Sasuke really, he's just been played his entire life and led to this. Of course he was going to turn into a psycho, it's a miracle he hadn't already.

    Nagato and Gaara take it for me though.

    The best way someone has dealt with their problems though? Rock Lee. Maybe Naruto.
    Yep I agree Nagato and Gaara did have legitimate reasons. Rock lee's pain wasn't that bad I love his resolve though if he's not good at ninjutsu and genjutsu then he will excel in taijutsu love that

    Also Naruto has resolved his problems but life went from very bad to better (obviously more pain came later on in shippuden)for Naruto. Sasuke had the reverse which I think is was good life to bad to terrible.

    Quote Originally Posted by jme View Post
    When Sasuke's clan died, wasn't every there for him? He was the most popular and well liked kid in Konoha. He had support from everyone. So why did Sasuke decide to be a jerk and leave? He could've killed Itachi and Orochimaru for revenge but he didn't have to turn evil and go after Konoha. He had friends it was him that dedcided to throw all of it away for no reason. Naruto would've done anything to be in Sasuke's position(at that time) to have friends, be popular and stuff. Naruto didn't have anyone for comfort right off the back when he was young, Sasuke did. But that's my opinion.

    But tbh everyone has a legit reason for how they turned out. I just think Sasuke's is a tad bit lesser than the rest(you can't say Obito yet because there's still needs to be some explaining).
    He loved his family and clan more they were the people he was closet to, to have them all wiped from existence is very painful.

    No you see this is were it get's f*cked up he killed itachi and he would of been happy but Tobi came and told him the truth about itachi and how he was ordered to kill the uchiha by leaf officials and let him take all the blame and become a missing nin. That's why he went after the higher up's and it was the higher up's only he was going for but later all this hatred was getting to much for sasuke and he became corrupt.

    You think sasuke had the least legitimate reason? That surprises me most people would agree Nagato and Sasuke have the most legitimate
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    sasuke does not have any reason, he is just emo )
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by jme View Post
    When Sasuke's clan died, wasn't every there for him? He was the most popular and well liked kid in Konoha. He had support from everyone. So why did Sasuke decide to be a jerk and leave? He could've killed Itachi and Orochimaru for revenge but he didn't have to turn evil and go after Konoha. He had friends it was him that dedcided to throw all of it away for no reason. Naruto would've done anything to be in Sasuke's position(at that time) to have friends, be popular and stuff. Naruto didn't have anyone for comfort right off the back when he was young, Sasuke did. But that's my opinion.

    But tbh everyone has a legit reason for how they turned out. I just think Sasuke's is a tad bit lesser than the rest(you can't say Obito yet because there's still needs to be some explaining).
    Sasuke was alone too. He never had support or friends, people only admired his ability (since he was strong and had a big potentional) but they didn't give him love and comfort. I think that Naruto was actually his only friend.

    To me, Sasuke's actions are somehow understandable ,except for wanting to kill everyone. If I was him I'd only go after Danzo, elders, Madara and Tobi. He had a family, people who he loved and it was all taken away from him by his own big brother in one night and his mind was tortured to insanity. It would actually be strange if he was normal. I think that he is the only one who actually can be justified. But even with all that I believe that he's a good person blinded by ahtered and that in the end he will find the right path again...
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by rahul chaudhary View Post
    STFU!!! itachi is genius and itachi died and kill uchihas only to save konoha and sasuke is a stupid who want to destroy konoha....u should use your mind before making such threads..
    What is this... I don't even...:sy:
    Anyway, on to the topic...

    It gets annoying when people make Nagato's past out to be "oh he went emo because his dog died," or are really picky in one event( I'm not talking about OP necessarily, just people who undermine Nagato's past in general). I think people need to see Nagato metaphorically as an innocent puppy that got beaten continuously. It wasn't just one thing that did it.... It was a gradual process as his pain accumulated. And that's what made him realistic.

    With Madara and Oro, I feel like they already were predisposed to going bad as people. Madara had aggressive and radical character traits to begin with, so we can assume he wouldn't just give in because no one else wanted to be as dramatic. With Oro, well, look at him... Did he ever look like a good character to begin with? He already thought wayyy differently than his peers...

    With Sasuke though, I'm in no way disagreeing with you. Heck, if I put myself in Sasuke's POV I'd probably be filled with hate too... And to top it off, realize the whole situation was all a big lie? However, I still don't think it justifies him going apesh*t and killing an entire village, considering what his brother sacrificed to try to originally save it.

    The only motive that feels like an asspull, when put plainly, was Tobito's(granted he was even sane to begin with after being crushed by rocks :sy...so, in a sense, that DID accomplish making Sasuke's 'just kill everyone' plan look absolutely legit.
     
         
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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    I think Obito had a good reason to turn evil, I mean imagine what would have happened to Naruto if Sakura had died back in Part 1 of the Manga/Anime. He would have been devastated, filled with despair and rage, not even to mention the fact that Obito was essentially cut off from and never even saw his friends for years. Lets not forget that Obito grew up during a war, he would have seen a lot of people die that he cared for and I think Rin was just the last straw.

    Besides, Obito doesn't want to kill everyone or anything dumb like that, I think he simply wants to use the moon's eye plan to put the world in an eternal genjutsu so that no one can ever fight or start a war ever again, he wants to make sure no one ever has to go through the pain he went through when Rin died anymore. In a lot of ways this is similar to what Nagato was trying to do, but just like Nagato Obito is doing it wrong, trying to stop war by controlling everyone. So I think his reasons are valid for what he is trying to accomplish.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by rahul chaudhary View Post
    STFU!!! itachi is genius and itachi died and kill uchihas only to save konoha and sasuke is a stupid who want to destroy konoha....u should use your mind before making such threads..
    You must be from Texas.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    what ? no...

    just because I became an orphan at the age of 6/7/8 whatever sasuke was at that time doesn't give me the right to go around claiming war on anyone who was within a 10 kilo radius of my parents.

    Sasuke's an emotionally unstable emotionally torn child that needs to go.

    Where's the decapitate sasuke signature when you need it (to calm these fanboys down jesus).
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazama Shigure View Post
    I think Obito had a good reason to turn evil, I mean imagine what would have happened to Naruto if Sakura had died back in Part 1 of the Manga/Anime.He would have been devastated, filled with despair and rage,
    I doubt Naruto would have gone evil because it seems to be rooted in his character to be "entirely good." And if he did go sour he probably wouldn't have taken it out on the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazama Shigure View Post
    not even to mention the fact that Obito was essentially cut off from and never even saw his friends for years. Lets not forget that Obito grew up during a war, he would have seen a lot of people die that he cared for and I think Rin was just the last straw.
    I can't really argue on why he never saw his friends/village again, because we don't know basically any of the facts yet, otherwise I'd ask "why didn't he return to the village after he died? Why did he hang around in the shadows?" And I just can't see Rin's death as being the last straw unless she died in the most atrocious way possible...and even that's pushing it. There's probably more to his story than I'm giving credit for, however, just by the way it is now, it's not very convincing, but that's just me...
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazama Shigure View Post
    Besides, Obito doesn't want to kill everyone or anything dumb like that, I think he simply wants to use the moon's eye plan to put the world in an eternal genjutsu so that no one can ever fight or start a war ever again, he wants to make sure no one ever has to go through the pain he went through when Rin died anymore. In a lot of ways this is similar to what Nagato was trying to do, but just like Nagato Obito is doing it wrong, trying to stop war by controlling everyone.
    Doesn't want to kill? he's already done that by starting yet another war. But yes, Nagato failed for a reason (and Tobito will too).

    You bring up some good points, just depends on perspective.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    my take on this..

    I ****en hate Sasuke but in all honestly he is the only person who has something to whine about.

    1. His brother died protecting a Village by Killing all the Uchiha.. including his parents.
    2. No matter was praise Sasuke got after the massacre he still 1. Lost his brother 2. Lost His Parents.
    3. The Village/ Danzo had a major hand in this.

    But I also think he may have turned around after recent events and insight but who the hell knows.

    Obito wants to destroy the damn world because the girl who had no interest in him whatsoever died. Moving on

    Madara got kicked out by his own clan and also taking his brother eyesight for his own and still failed. Okay he should have probably stayed dead.

    Oro - wtf he is some kinda Michael Jackson wannabe that really has no development besides stealing little children bodies.

    Pein - all I can say is bromance is not worth destroying a god damn village for.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    I'm gonna gush... are you serious!? Pain didn't have a good reason!? FOHSFIEHFONCI

    Parents killed for no reason, with out question and in a state of panic. He watches them die and the murderers just say, 'Sorry kid'. Down and distraught, he roams his nation trying his best to survive and avoid the war and eventually comes upon two other who become his new family. Eventually meets a sensei and becomes strong. Sensei leaves and he becomes a Rebel, fighting against Hanzo. Hanzo kidnaps his love interest, kills his brother (not blood related for all of you who take everything literally) and then runs away. Even with all his power. He couldn't do sh*t to save his brother and decides the only way to save the world is to teach the world pain so they can appreciate peace.

    No, not legit at all.

    Orochimaru had his reasons, I guess, he just got curious, having no one love him since his parents died at a young age. He became unable to see people affection for him and got obsessed with the one thing that made his existence justified; power. He drank that power up until he got drunk.


    Madara fears for the well being of his Clan. He was the leader, and lead the them to pride and honor, even ending his brother's life so that he could make the very name of 'Uchiha' strike fear into the hearts of anyone.
    He teams up with their biggest enemy and feels suspicious about there treatment and his clan turns their back on him, rather staying with the Senju Clan. Abandoned by the thing he'd devoted his life to.
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    However, all that said, I like the idea of the thread and agree that Sasuke's decent is with good reason. It's nice to see something nice said about Sasuke that isn't jamming a nose up his ass.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by moongem View Post
    I'm gonna gush... are you serious!? Pain didn't have a good reason!? FOHSFIEHFONCI

    Parents killed for no reason, with out question and in a state of panic. He watches them die and the murderers just say, 'Sorry kid'. Down and distraught, he roams his nation trying his best to survive and avoid the war and eventually comes upon two other who become his new family. Eventually meets a sensei and becomes strong. Sensei leaves and he becomes a Rebel, fighting against Hanzo. Hanzo kidnaps his love interest, kills his brother (not blood related for all of you who take everything literally) and then runs away. Even with all his power. He couldn't do sh*t to save his brother and decides the only way to save the world is to teach the world pain so they can appreciate peace.

    No, not legit at all.

    Orochimaru had his reasons, I guess, he just got curious, having no one love him since his parents died at a young age. He became unable to see people affection for him and got obsessed with the one thing that made his existence justified; power. He drank that power up until he got drunk.


    Madara fears for the well being of his Clan. He was the leader, and lead the them to pride and honor, even ending his brother's life so that he could make the very name of 'Uchiha' strike fear into the hearts of anyone.
    He teams up with their biggest enemy and feels suspicious about there treatment and his clan turns their back on him, rather staying with the Senju Clan. Abandoned by the thing he'd devoted his life to.
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    However, all that said, I like the idea of the thread and agree that Sasuke's decent is with good reason. It's nice to see something nice said about Sasuke that isn't jamming a nose up his ass.
    Read post #31 perfect reply for this post. Also remember I did the thread in a troll way but my meaning was the truth, I honestly think sasuke had the most legitimate reason for turning evil out of all the villains. But anyway read post #31
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Sasuke had a good reason to kill itachi and danzo, but his hate towards konoha is kinda not legitimate, and shows his unplaced hate *****iness
    sasuke is insane. he has reasons that make sense to him and thats what matters really

    Obito wants to destroy the damn world because the girl who had no interest in him whatsoever died.
    rin thought of obito as a best friend, and was massively upset when he supposedly died. plus theres more to it. perhaps madara told him he killed her, or that konoha killed her. that would be enough to earn eternal hatred for his village wouldnt it? the love of his life being murdered by the people he nearly died for and was devoted to.

    also taking his brother eyesight for his own
    they were given to him. izuna dying pushed him over the edge

    just because I became an orphan at the age of 6/7/8 whatever sasuke was at that time doesn't give me the right to go around claiming war on anyone who was within a 10 kilo radius of my parents.
    no but it gives the peopel around you some insight into your views on life. not everyone can be a goody two shoes and instantly forgive anything
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    guys I understand there is more to everyone problems I was being a tad bit trollish.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Hell I don't blame the character Sasuke has become. He brother who ment alot to him growing up betrays him, then in anger and hate gets revenge with Itachi's death. To only find out that he killed his own brother for no reason since Itachi was only protecting him. Id be mad too!
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

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    I think Obito had a good reason to turn evil, I mean imagine what would have happened to Naruto if Sakura had died back in Part 1 of the Manga/Anime. He would have been devastated, filled with despair and rage, not even to mention the fact that Obito was essentially cut off from and never even saw his friends for years. Lets not forget that Obito grew up during a war, he would have seen a lot of people die that he cared for and I think Rin was just the last straw.

    Besides, Obito doesn't want to kill everyone or anything dumb like that, I think he simply wants to use the moon's eye plan to put the world in an eternal genjutsu so that no one can ever fight or start a war ever again, he wants to make sure no one ever has to go through the pain he went through when Rin died anymore. In a lot of ways this is similar to what Nagato was trying to do, but just like Nagato Obito is doing it wrong, trying to stop war by controlling everyone. So I think his reasons are valid for what he is trying to accomplish.
    actually what Nagato tried to do was to redistribute the power AKA tailed beasts, his plan was not that far different from Hashirama's in the sense that both understood war as sth horrible but unavoidable and thus both came up with plans to make people afraid of war; Hashirama accomplished this, to an extent, by aiming to achieve a balance of power between the nations and shinobi villages giving to the most powerful/important villages a tailed beast, whereas Nagato wanted to create an ultimate weapon that could be used during war but would cause such destruction people would want to avoid wars for a time.

    They both wanted to establish periods of peace, where they differed is on WHO has that power: Hashirama gave it to a few strong ones, Nagato said 'one weapon, whoever gets to it first'.

    the reason so many viewed Nagato as evil was because he sought to redistribute the power of the tailed beasts and therefore destroy the balance of power between villages and nations and their subsequent status quo. (not such a bad thing imo).

    Obito and Madara are like: genjutsu, genjutsu everywhere. not much in common with what Nagato said.
     
         

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    Re: Sasuke has the only legitimate reason for turning evil.

    Sasuke has gone too far over to be saved and it's because of his revenge. Yes he has a reason, but he doesn't have the power to carry it out yet. It would be cool to see Sasuke be the final enemy and to see Naruto be as conflicted as Kakashi is now.
     
         

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