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    Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    First of all, it's honestly really sad that half the people on the base arn't happy with Kishimoto, Obito was the best decision he could make, as OBVIOUS as it was, the build up and emotion put into all of this is so amazing, that it kept me on edge for a year. What people are failing to understand is, this is a manga, an anime, an alternate universe where imaginary characters don't give two shits if your disappointed or not, because they don't know you exist.

    What i'm saying is, your opinions arn't going to effect this manga, because the story goes with how emotional the characters will feel, how much effect it will on the universe of that anime itself. If your really angry with Obito being Tobi, then i'm sad that you don't see the true reason behind it. The true need that Obito MUST be Tobi.

    Kishimoto doesn't do this for you, Kishimoto does it for himself, and the amazing story he has created. The build up was amazing, I would be happy with any decision Kishimoto made, whether it's ramen guy or Izuna, impact and plot is what defines an anime. The impact being towards the anime itself, not a bunch of twelve year olds who scream 'ERMEHGERD OBVIOUS' 'WTF STUPID REASON'

    Now that i'm done with that..

    Why do people doubt Obito becoming like this because of the death of Rin?

    Are you all really so blind that you actually doubt the power of emotion and strife in the world, that it would ( not change the person ) but put them on a different path, a path which sets them towards there goal in a much different way. Rin's death was a MAJOR reason for Obito to set himself out on this path.

    He sacrificed himself for Kakashi, gave him a light to see the future, to protect the love of his life, and his only, last wish to the world and Kakashi, was for him to protect Rin.

    Somehow Obito survived, which is defiantly because of Madara. Madara being evil, could of easily fueled Obito's emotion, turned him into a striver of peace for his own goals. And when Rin died, Obito's mind was set. He hated the world, he hated the fake "Peace" that everyone fought for, and Madara offered him a way of changing that.

    Obito could create a world, where no excuses would be made. Where no strife occured, where the world lived in harmony. I'm not saying his right, fake peace is as no good as no peace. But of course, Obito needed a reason to become the main villain of the manga.

    ~

    I honestly hope most of you understand, there's going to be mainstream morons, who are completely against the idea of Tobi being Obito ( Who would scream at any decision Kishi makes that isn't their own ), who are now screaming because no matter how many useless theories they made, they realise it was always Kishimoto's decision. I'm with Kishi with whatever he does. Because as far as i'm concerned.


    Tobi being Obito is the greatest thing that's ever happened to this manga.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Well said.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Sometimes people think there's more to it.. that's all there is to it.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    good thread
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    i stoped at it was the best decision im sorry but no i cant agree its horrible writing imo
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Just wait and see.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dribbles View Post
    Tobi being Obito is the greatest thing that's ever happened to this manga.
    I didnt think Kishi could pull it off last week, but Im actually liking it.

    Obito is being manipulated, and although his reasoning is because Rin died, he pretty much said it himself, he doesnt give a shit anymore, he's just gonna do his plan, he kinda (vaguely) reminded me of the joker i the dark knight. FINALLY a "just cuz" villain
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    yeah i mean anyone watch how anakin became darth vader it was over a stupid *****
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Well said.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dribbles View Post
    First of all, it's honestly really sad that half the people on the base arn't happy with Kishimoto, Obito was the best decision he could make, as OBVIOUS as it was, the build up and emotion put into all of this is so amazing, that it kept me on edge for a year. What people are failing to understand is, this is a manga, an anime, an alternate universe where imaginary characters don't give two shits if your disappointed or not, because they don't know you exist.

    What i'm saying is, your opinions arn't going to effect this manga, because the story goes with how emotional the characters will feel, how much effect it will on the universe of that anime itself. If your really angry with Obito being Tobi, then i'm sad that you don't see the true reason behind it. The true need that Obito MUST be Tobi.

    Kishimoto doesn't do this for you, Kishimoto does it for himself, and the amazing story he has created. The build up was amazing, I would be happy with any decision Kishimoto made, whether it's ramen guy or Izuna, impact and plot is what defines an anime. The impact being towards the anime itself, not a bunch of twelve year olds who scream 'ERMEHGERD OBVIOUS' 'WTF STUPID REASON'

    Now that i'm done with that..

    Why do people doubt Obito becoming like this because of the death of Rin?

    Are you all really so blind that you actually doubt the power of emotion and strife in the world, that it would ( not change the person ) but put them on a different path, a path which sets them towards there goal in a much different way. Rin's death was a MAJOR reason for Obito to set himself out on this path.

    He sacrificed himself for Kakashi, gave him a light to see the future, to protect the love of his life, and his only, last wish to the world and Kakashi, was for him to protect Rin.

    Somehow Obito survived, which is defiantly because of Madara. Madara being evil, could of easily fueled Obito's emotion, turned him into a striver of peace for his own goals. And when Rin died, Obito's mind was set. He hated the world, he hated the fake "Peace" that everyone fought for, and Madara offered him a way of changing that.

    Obito could create a world, where no excuses would be made. Where no strife occured, where the world lived in harmony. I'm not saying his right, fake peace is as no good as no peace. But of course, Obito needed a reason to become the main villain of the manga.

    ~

    I honestly hope most of you understand, there's going to be mainstream morons, who are completely against the idea of Tobi being Obito ( Who would scream at any decision Kishi makes that isn't their own ), who are now screaming because no matter how many useless theories they made, they realise it was always Kishimoto's decision. I'm with Kishi with whatever he does. Because as far as i'm concerned.


    Tobi being Obito is the greatest thing that's ever happened to this manga.
    Well, i dont know about anyone else, but here is my reason i dont believe Obito turned evil because of Rin.
    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=240693
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    the only good thing in the manga is madara
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hattake Ryuzaki View Post
    i stoped at it was the best decision im sorry but no i cant agree its horrible writing imo
    Then why are you reading it.

    I'm sorry, you probably hear that every two seconds whenever you make some half-assed comment on a thread.

    Why read it if you don't like the writing? You don't like the plot? Why not stop? Why not go read another manga? Why do you keep insisting on complaining about an imaginary universe, and just enjoy the f**king manga.

    You know you love this manga, you know deep down inside, that Obito being Tobi, and the reason behind it is amazing. Go read, watch any other story where love is a factor in evil. I'm a writer myself, and being one I understand everything Kishimoto has done up to now. Try to help yourself from this fake fantasy where Kishimoto's writing is horrible and you watch it to get angry at it.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    well said and +rep from me, but still the reason is lame. just grow over it. cry a river, build a bridge, get over it.imho if sb or sth is straying *you* of your path then it is either that this is a wrong somebody to be with or that you are doing it wrong. Obito's processing of his emotions over Rin and her death are simply wrong. not to mention he knew her when they were 13 and for how long a year or two? hardly a reason to start hating the world.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Even if I was someone who doubted it the most, I still have to admit that Obito is a better explanation than some random Uchiha with no background. I wanted Tobi to be Izuna but now I`m happy that he is Obito because I can`t wait to see some explanations for the plot holes.

    Only thing I disliked was the silly name game and how retardedly Tobi was acting instead of just admitting it. But I`m sure we will get reasons for even that.

    The reason for him being evil hasn`t been fully told yet. Rin is most likely just part of it. It`s probably the old stuff. Madara`s influence and the Uchiha`s sole purpose of constantly being enemies of the leaf.

    That`s why it`s my hope to see Sasuke turning good. So that eternal fate is finally broken.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    u obvousily dont understand what makes a antionist go up against the heroes.

    its not just about a physical batlle its a battle of ideology.


    After all of tobi's claims that there no hope he just wrecked himself when he his only reason for all this is because of his girlfirend dies.

    tobi just condricted himself. He far more navive than naruto which he insults naruto about. Sasuke even is more of a adult than tobi at least sasuke now is trying to get the full story about his clan.


    the only person left with any real conviction is madara, everyone else is just emo. its sad really after all of tobi high and mighty talk one would have though he would have something to captavate the readers in his cause.

    Good vs evil is at its best when u cant decide which side is evil and good and it is just reduced to a fight between people about ideology.

    if u cant see that then maybe u like it this way.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by psukkar View Post
    u obvousily dont understand what makes a antionist go up against the heroes.

    its not just about a physical batlle its a battle of ideology.


    After all of tobi's claims that there no hope he just wrecked himself when he his only reason for all this is because of his girlfirend dies.

    tobi just condricted himself. He far more navive than naruto which he insults naruto about. Sasuke even is more of a adult than tobi at least sasuke now is trying to get the full story about his clan.


    the only person left with any real conviction is madara, everyone else is just emo. its sad really after all of tobi high and mighty talk one would have though he would have something to captavate the readers in his cause.

    Good vs evil is at its best when u cant decide which side is evil and good and it is just reduced to a fight between people about ideology.

    if u cant see that then maybe u like it this way.
    What the hell?

    Did you even read the OP?

    EVERTHING I have just said is about idealogy.

    The idealogy of Obito's loss, and the reasons behind it.

    Madara manipulating him into becoming an evil prodigy upon the world.

    A good guy turning into a bad guy, giving his "Idealogy" Upon the Shinobi world, while Naruto fights back with his own.

    People fail to see the "Idealogy" Of Obito's reason behind it.

    YOUR failing to see what a great situation Kishimoto has created, for Obito to be a main villian. Look at the final frame, Madara arrives and Obito looks the other way, showing emotion that his uncomfortable with Madara. That he feels inferior.

    Honestly, Obito is a perfect main villian. A bit different from the rest, but your "Idealogy" is still there, plain and clear. You've failed to see it my friend.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Yes, defiantly.

    You seriously need to work on your grammar and spelling, boy. Otherwise, yes, I agree with you.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    I see the reasoning as very possible. Tobi lost the one person he cared for and the only person he felt truly cared about him so to him the world no longer matters. So it becomes real easy for someone like Madara to convince him that the world would be better off with the eye of the moon plan. In his mind he is not evil it's just the world as it is no longer matters.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrGreenBeanz View Post
    Yes, defiantly.

    You seriously need to work on your grammar and spelling, boy. Otherwise, yes, I agree with you.
    , wait, what?

    You don't tell me I need to work on my grammar, lmao. I probably made one or two mistakes in that entire page, what the hell are you on about. I tell you, that you need to work on your grammar

    No seriously, i'm a huge grammar Nazi, what makes me a boy? And what makes my grammar bad -_-

    Can you not read?
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    Someone said something like this on a youtube video about the subject.. and I thought it was pretty interesting;

    When Hinata presumingly died against Pain, Naruto went insane with hatred. Who knows what would've happened if his father didn't appear and helped him snap out of it. When Obito found out about Rin's death, he most likely had someone like Madara around him.. and he would of course take advantage of that boiling anger.

    So in other words, Obito is the Naruto who gave up... or was never acknowledged (which is a recurring theme in this manga)..

    We just gotta wait for the explanation.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone doubt the reason?

    I agree totally with this thread. Though, I think people are overlooking something important. Obito is a master of psychological warfare, which he has demonstrated numerous times. Taking advantage of Kakashi's well-known issues regarding his and Rin's deaths to throw him off balance is perfectly in character.

    So assuming that his motivation is as simple as that is really short-sighted.
     
         

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