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    Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    I just wanted to ask this coz a lot of people say that kabuto can beat the likes of Madara(not edo), Hashirama, Nagato, BM Naruto or Ems Sasuke beacuse of edo tensei. but isn't it the people who are summoned that are strong not the summoner?

    We have seen a kabuto without edo tensei lose to 2 uchihas who were holding back not to kill him. A lot of people say if he had his edos, he would not have lost, maybe true but can we really use edo tensei to judge someone?
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    No. I don't think it can be. That's like calling for help from another ninja. It's different than a regular summon. Monkey king enma is the closest summon you can get to a person to still count.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Most people ban it for versus threads, but yes you have to consider it into his full strength. Kabuto at Prime is him right before the war starts with all Edo's primed and ready. Much how a prime Itachi would be healthy with full MS abilities and Crow KA.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    No. I don't think it can be. That's like calling for help from another ninja. It's different than a regular summon. Monkey king enma is the closest summon you can get to a person to still count.
    It's a jutsu.. It being in the users arsenal, that means to me that if the few that can perfect it, and manage to learn it, it's their power.. It also takes them time to recover the DNA needed to use this jutsu to summon the others.. All while it takes chakra for them to control the others effected by Edo Tensei..
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    No.
    The preparations for edo is too long.
    Edo cannot be performed in a surprise battle.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    It's a jutsu.. It being in the users arsenal, that means to me that if the few that can perfect it, and manage to learn it, it's their power.. It also takes them time to recover the DNA needed to use this jutsu to summon the others.. All while it takes chakra for them to control the others effected by Edo Tensei..
    Animal path summoned Konan, but you wouldn't put her in a pain or nagato vs. thread.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrProof View Post
    It's a jutsu.. It being in the users arsenal, that means to me that if the few that can perfect it, and manage to learn it, it's their power.. It also takes them time to recover the DNA needed to use this jutsu to summon the others.. All while it takes chakra for them to control the others effected by Edo Tensei..
    yes its a jutsu but not 1 you can just pull out in a fight u need to find the person dna and u need a live sacirfice. for edo tensei u need to be prepared but what if ur not? why was sasori so weak when he was revived, he had no puppets, if konan and tobi fight again, can she do the same amount of damage? minato was able to harm tobi in only a single confrontation. you see where im getting at?

    and what if he summons madara and he turns on him lol
     
         
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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Quote Originally Posted by ianeustaquio View Post
    No.
    The preparations for edo is too long.
    Edo cannot be performed in a surprise battle.
    What does that have to do with judging someones strength?
    Plus Edo Tensei could have already been prepped from the start..

    Quote Originally Posted by Necromancer4276 View Post
    Animal path summoned Konan, but you wouldn't put her in a pain or nagato vs. thread.
    Why couldn't it be used? But I do see where you are coming from.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    umm no, the jutsu may be the strongest jutsu in naruto universe but iddk
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    I say no also. that's like saying sean combs is a great rapper because he produced for b.i.g....
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    hey guys... If madara was able 2 defie edo ... Y cant itachi defie it.....?
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    I think it says something to the point that you are strong enough to be able to use such a jutsu but not judge your strength as a whole.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Quote Originally Posted by Namikaze Haru View Post
    I just wanted to ask this coz a lot of people say that kabuto can beat the likes of Madara(not edo), Hashirama, Nagato, BM Naruto or Ems Sasuke beacuse of edo tensei. but isn't it the people who are summoned that are strong not the summoner?

    We have seen a kabuto without edo tensei lose to 2 uchihas who were holding back not to kill him. A lot of people say if he had his edos, he would not have lost, maybe true but can we really use edo tensei to judge someone?

    Edo tensei can't be used to judge someones strength but it can, however, be used to judge someones skill in ninjutsu. Its an S rank jutsu so it must be incredibly difficult to master and the fact that you need DNA and human sacrifices makes it that much more difficult.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Quote Originally Posted by ianeustaquio View Post
    No.
    The preparations for edo is too long.
    Edo cannot be performed in a surprise battle.
    Exactly this ... U can consider it as someones Strength .. But If Ur arguing on a battle between two ( specially those stupid VS threads ) .. then U have to count it Out ... becoz it needs Long Preparation time .. So NO!

    Quote Originally Posted by karthiknarasimha View Post
    hey guys... If madara was able 2 defie edo ... Y cant itachi defie it.....?
    U know ... every one is not on Madaras Level
     
         
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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    ok Kabuto vs Madara and everyone he has edo who then will he use?
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    probably not. it can be used to make a point about how knowledgeable one is, or skillful perhaps. but given how it works it doesn't seem to be a jutsu proving one's power.

    NOTE: that it doesn't prove how powerful a shinobi is in terms of chakra reserves, it doesn't mean that edo tensei doesn't help a lot one's firepower.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    kabuto is a noob,

    when he actually fough himself he got owned. who cares if u have other ninja summons.


    U know theres a saying" the sword doesnt make the man"

    i suggest u all obid by such wise and mannly words.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Yes it is.
    People consider the 3rd Kazekage (with his KKG) as part of Sasori's abilities, and people consider Toad Summons as part Jiraiya's abilities. Edo Tensei is just a cross between the two.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    I wouldn't call it someone's power not other than Tobirama.
    Why? Well he was the creator of this technique in the first place, so it belongs to him.
    Now, that someone learns the seals it and it's willing to kill people in order to use it, that's another thing.
    Coldly thinking, it's a power that can get in anyone's asset if they'd be willing to kill.

    May say that EDO Tensei stomps.
    It doesn't unless you prepare long time before an actual fight because you have to get the body. That's what people forget.
    Not to mention that EDOS can be sealed or get unrestrained by the most simple way: the soul's feelings, in some case.

    So, conclusion I wouldn't judge someone's strenght based on EDO Tensei.
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Quote Originally Posted by Namikaze Haru View Post
    We have seen a kabuto without edo tensei lose to 2 uchihas who were holding back not to kill him. A lot of people say if he had his edos, he would not have lost, maybe true but can we really use edo tensei to judge someone?
    Under those circumstances: Yes! Every jutsu you can use is part of your "arsenal". Kabuto could use Edo Tensei perfectly during that fight, but he was foolish. He underestimated Itachi. Itachi was actually the only reason he lost. Sasuke alone didn't have a chance against him back then, even without Edo summons. Kabuto had prepared himself to counter all his jutsus.





    It doesn't matter "how" you get your powers and weapons. As long as you have them and as long as you can use them they are your tools. Nagato got the Rinnegan from Madara and used six paths. Kakuzu stole up to five hearts to use different elements. Deidara stole the forbidden jutsu that allowed him to use the clay. Kisame stole Samehada, etc.
     
         
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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Kabuto worked for all those dead Shinobi, he even worked to make Edo Madara beyond his prime

    Its perfectly right to be in his arsenal of tools just like Naruto trained for Sage mode and Rasengan
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Quote Originally Posted by karthiknarasimha View Post
    hey guys... If madara was able 2 defie edo ... Y cant itachi defie it.....?
    Itachi didnt know the hand seal to release it. He only obtained the hand seal to cancel the edo. I would imagine the two are different!
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Edo tensei was originally designed to wipe the map clean along with the revived individual. So keeping that in mind, anyone who has Edo is pretty F***ing tough. lol
     
         

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    Re: Can edo tensei actually be used to judge someone's strength?

    Again depends on how you specify your vs thread.. In raw strength surely it can be seen as part of his skill, but it is also a disadvantage. The fact is he had the bodies and seals prepared some time before the war, so he could theoretically use them as summons anywhere at any time, but of course he couldn't summon whoever you compare him with

    So yeah it somewhat counts.. It's a cheat skill sadly.. Don't blame others than Kishi for it xD
     
         

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