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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    OK FOR THE LAST TIME! to all the people saying that you get brought back in endo state the way you died, its what ever the user wants them to come back as, kabuto said that madaras edo was special, that he was brought back in his prime with the power he had when he died (aka the rinnegan)
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    That doesnt make sense. Orochimaru wasnt born during Madara's prime, so he couldnt have collected his DNA. Also, im pretty sure that the 2nd Hokage hadnt created the impure world resurrection jutsu yet.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by ictusbrucks View Post
    Somebody please help explain this to me...

    I know we have heard countless times that Madara gave Nagato the rinnengan, but this confuses me. Why? Because we saw when nagato awakened his rinnegan to save his friends. We know that he wasn't taken behind a bush and given eye surgery in the middle of that sequence...

    So what exactly does this mean? That Madara gave nagato the rinnengan at some point before we saw him awaken it, and that the eyes looked just like normal eyes when they were first put into Nagato? That just doesn't make sense to me. For one, when Kakashi got Obito's eye, it didn't revert to a normal eye, it stayed a sharingan.

    So somebody please explain how Nagato got eyes surgically implanted but still had to awaken them himself??

    Until manga 602, my personal theory was that madara helped Nagato "awaken" the rinnengan, not by GIVING him the eyes, but by orchestrating the situation that let Nagato awken them himself. I don't remember exactly what happened, but I remember a soldier after food or something. Maybe Madara sent that soldier after them knowing it would be the trigger?

    Just makes no sense to me now.

    Unless I consider something totally crazy: The "Madara" we are seeing in these recent strips is NOT really Madara, but actually Izuna, the one who gave his eyes to Madara? Could he be using the same trick as "tobi" did, pretending for some personal gain?


    Not trying to invent crazy theories, but the idea that Madara physically gave Nagato a set of eyes makes ZERO sense to me when you consider the other factors. Somebody please tell me that I am missing something really obvious here...

    One possible explanation is that the whole thing with the murder of Nagato's parents was staged..
    First of all he was an Uzumaki, from the fire country, living with a nonUzumaki family in the water country..

    So what if it was all staged, if it was either a cruel genjutsu, performed by Madara to make Nagato hate the leaf.. because he knew that hatred is a good motivator.. just like Itachi lied to Sasuke in order for Sasuke to become stronger through his hatred..

    He could've easily been kidnapped by Madara, had the eyes implanted, put under some kind of Tsukuyomi, and released in Amegakure, in a house with two dead people, he was made believe, were his parents..



    This is just one of my theories and i don't claim it to be true, just putting it out there
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    seeing madera was alsome it kinda playin out like i thought it was going to madera teaching obito. i think he convinced obito that the only way to bring peace would be though his plan of ruling the world just as nagato fell for tobi obitos plans for peace until naruto changed him back to the way b4 he was influnced by tobi. i think once the fighting begins again were gonna se where the real naruto went and hes probally in the other dimention waitin for obito so he cant talk to him and see if he can change his mind or at least thats what im thinking
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Btw, does anyone remember, back in the Sasuke retrieval arc, Kakshi tells Sasuke that keeping revenge as aim in life is not good, and he has personally learned that lesson. What does that mean? Kakashi wanted to take revenge for something?? Obito's death? If so, was Rin killed in this process, due to his obsession of revenge? May be Obito has a really good reason to hate Kakashi and become evil..

    I think at some point in the story, Sasuke would learn the Dead Demon Consuming seal and seals Edo-Madara, to preserve the clan's glory by destroying Madara, the mole in clan's history. Naruto would defeat Tobi, and when Madara gets sealed, Tobi would become hysterical (hinting that he has deep love for Madara) and kill himself

    The series would have a epilogue like that of Harry Potter, with Naruto, who is now married to Hinata, sending his son Uzumaki Sasuke to the academy; Sakura, after Sasuke's death investing herself into medical research; 3rd generation Ino-Shika-Cho appearing; Shikamaru training Kurenai's kid, etc., Kakashi would be the now Hokage, with Konohamaru challenging Naruto that he has to defeat him to become the next Hokage
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoshino Shinohara View Post
    That doesnt make sense. Orochimaru wasnt born during Madara's prime, so he couldnt have collected his DNA. Also, im pretty sure that the 2nd Hokage hadnt created the impure world resurrection jutsu yet.
    What are you talking about? Hiruzen was a student of Hashirama and Tobirama. Orochimaru, Tsunade, and Jiraya were the generation after Hiruzen, and Hashirama was Tsunade's grandfather. Hashirama was the same age as Madara, so yes, Orochimaru WAS alive during Madara's prime.

    Besides that, you can get DNA from a variety of different sources long after someone was absent - hair, blood, body parts, feces, ect. At no time did Orochimaru need to get DNA directly from a living Madara in order to obtain his DNA. He could have gotten dried blood, hair, or body parts from the place where the battle between Hashi and Madara took place, thus obtaining DNA from when Madara was in his prime.

    Btw, does anyone remember, back in the Sasuke retrieval arc, Kakshi tells Sasuke that keeping revenge as aim in life is not good, and he has personally learned that lesson. What does that mean? Kakashi wanted to take revenge for something?? Obito's death? If so, was Rin killed in this process, due to his obsession of revenge? May be Obito has a really good reason to hate Kakashi and become evil..
    This is actually a really good point. I'm almost 100% certain that both Obito and Kakashi were present when Rin died, and that's how they woke their MS.

    I know we have heard countless times that Madara gave Nagato the rinnengan, but this confuses me. Why? Because we saw when nagato awakened his rinnegan to save his friends. We know that he wasn't taken behind a bush and given eye surgery in the middle of that sequence...
    At no point during the manga or the anime does it show Nagato without a Rinnegan. What we see is him revealing it (because he has long hair) and not 'awakening' it. The Rinnegan is one of those things that unless you are a high level ninja, you don't know what it is. Therefore as far as we know, he had it since Madara gave it to him at some point before his parents were killed.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    So madara has on eye and he already gave his eyes to someone that someone is obviously Nagato.

    question Obito. because he kill Konan for the eyes
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Nooby Kyuubi View Post
    Cool chapter. I'm wondering how madara lost his eye and i lol'd at obito at the beginning and ending. i have a feeling the next couple chapters are gonna be obito's revelations/training under madara. im thinking it will go like obito trying to escape, realizing he cant, breaking down and end up listening to madara.

    Next chapter will be focusing what is happening in the Village. esp Konohamaru (he is following Naruto path), Iruka Umino, Kurenai (given birth), and the rest of children & ladies..
    As for how Obito has to obey Madara. Possibly using eg, Danzo curse mark on Sai. Obito may not like it, but has to obey..
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Funny if to say how Madara was nearby to Minato team.
    Most probably, because of Minato was leading the team, and there was one Uchiha.
    Then again the enemy did not totally destroy the cave, but Madara make sure one big stone fall on Obito.
    When Madara monitor the situation, he sense something between Kakashi, Rin and Obito.
    Taking these advantage, Madara was very in need of this Obito. Madara call Obito "young Uchiha".
    Madara plan to manipulate so as to get Obito to his side.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Check out my thread its & interesting theory!

    http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...18#post8528418
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by HG Swells View Post
    Somewhat of a meaningless chapter. At least we learnt more about Madara.

    Liked
    - Obito still has his previous attitude.
    - Learnt why Madara wasn't more active in the world.
    - Seems like there will be a third player introduced.

    Disliked
    - Too little information and too much playing around.

    Undecided
    - Still not seeing how Obito will become Tobi, especially with the personality he's currently showing.

    Tobi use chain during his fight with Minato. Also Obito is holding the chain after returning the weapon which belong to Madara.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    It would be interesting if they were another plot twist added to this story. I would like to see that Hashirama and Tobirama aren't as innocent as people believe. As of yet, we have not seen how either of these characters died. All the past Kages of the other villages have done dirt so what makes konoha's kages any different.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Okay i havent said anything for a few weeks but i wanted to chime in on this because i found this statement really interesting. I think Naruto is learning alot from his clones while he is doing something that will help win in the long run. I think he might be going where sasuke is going or somewhere like where sasuke is going...frog mountain, or a place like that which will help him get a better understaing of SO6P and how he was able to control the tailed beasts. what do you think? I think his clones are stalling for time. also i think he took what itachi said really seriously about working as a team maybe he is gathering the konoha 11.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    it was a clone made by madara to control Yagura not Obito


    [IMG]image/minato%20gif/iamNHOJ/minato.gif?o=28[/IMG]
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurama999 View Post
    question Obito. because he kill Konan for the eyes
    It is possible that Madara killed Rin to manipulate Obito. we still do not know how Rin died or if she is dead.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    also it seems everyone forgot about Yamato '-'








    For a guy who killed a guy with one hand seems to have trouble with this
     
         
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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by potheadsage View Post
    It is possible that Madara killed Rin to manipulate Obito. we still do not know how Rin died or if she is dead.
    Most likely scenario, which would then put Obito against Madara if he ever found out.

    A horrible way to take the plot, but it'll prolly happen.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

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    also it seems everyone forgot about Yamato '-'








    For a guy who killed a guy with one hand seems to have trouble with this
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    the more i look at that tobi fight with Minato..Minato pwnd him. there was no question. only trouble was the 9 tails.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    thanks for that comment about that gif i got pour Obito he was controlled so he can fight his former Sensei he was pwned.







    HE GOT OWNED
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by 21naruto View Post
    If you read the chaper again you will see that madara said he had just a measly sharingan he gave his eyes away.
    mm i wonder if there was a love triangle btw the first and his wife and madara or madara's brother. and if izuna awakened the eyes and gave them up because of a broken heart or something like that. which is part of the reason that Madara hates the senju (aranged marriage to join clans) just a thought...just trying to think of answers to some big questions
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DannySenju View Post
    thanks for that comment about that gif i got pour Obito he was controlled so he can fight his former Sensei he was pwned.







    HE GOT OWNED
    Yeah he really did get beat down lol but alot of posters say that he went toe to toe like they were almost equal...not by a long shot. i don't think he touch minato once, except for the explosive tag on naruto. and how warped was he that he would put a baby in harms way like that. Madara really screwed him up bad
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by DannySenju View Post
    thanks for that comment about that gif i got pour Obito he was controlled so he can fight his former Sensei he was pwned.







    HE GOT OWNED
    I bet that the fight with naruto unmasking Tobi is going to look like this one when naruto hits him with his rasengan
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    i think madara and obito used one body, they switch when they want to use the real body. just like the magician and yogi-oh....
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

    This weeks chapter will probably be more Obito/Madara backstory. Still many unanswered questions. Hopefully we'll find out soon.
     
         

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