[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 602 Discussion and 603 Predictions

[marksonm]

Cool chapter. I'm wondering how madara lost his eye and i lol'd at obito at the beginning and ending. i have a feeling the next couple chapters are gonna be obito's revelations/training under madara. im thinking it will go like obito trying to escape, realizing he cant, breaking down and end up listening to madara.

Madara didnt loose his eyes, he gave them to Nagato.
And Obito will later listen to him after realising Rin (his dream atm) is dead and that the world is full of pain... Tobi said it himself when Kakashi asked "why?"..... he said because of Rin

[mas129]

I wonder if people will still claim Nagato awakened his rinnegan

[HokageTobiramaXx]

obito trying to run away with nearly 75% crippled body..

seems legit

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Hashirama must have given Madara a real beating to leave him in such a sorry state!!!

This and this chapter was kinda boring 3.

[marksonm]

gave it a 3/5


When I explained previously of how Madara gave his eyes to Nagato in the story timeline and using Hashirama parts to complete Obito, people bashed it and said its not possible... I hope u have all awakened from ur genjutsu after reading this chapter... Bagarayo!!!


Anyway, u can clearly see that Madara is maintaining his life force from Senju DNA from the Hashi stem.... I think this was how zetsu was formed as well when u look at the human-like things hanging out of the stem, they look like zetsu, born from hashi stem cell http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/602/15

[TheOnlyBlackGaiHere]

Uhhh...sooo, yea...a genin coulda wrote this chapter smmfhoaoa

[IKSOKRIPS]

Well this finally answered some questions but the answers were pretty obvious...

The explanation of "You survived by miracle" or something like that I still think it's not sufficient... Hope Kishi will properly explain HOW he survived being crushed by those rocks...
And if Madara couldn't move from that cave, how exactly did he give his eyes to Nagato?

That happened like. . . . . . . . . 15 to 20 years in the past, around the start of the Second Ninja World War. :y

So, at that time Madara could have still moved on his own, most likely. :shrug:

[SixPathsOfTobi]

People shut up about Tobi being an adult when he fought minato.. kakashi and gai were also at 'adult height' at that time..
But a lot must have happened in those few years for obito to become like he acted when he fought minato.

[Expulso]

Great Chapter.

[marksonm]

this was what I said some other posts in a other threads and got bashed:

Madara was the one that gave Nagato the rennigan because he awakened the rennigan due to Hashirama's DNA.
You have to pay attention to the time line of the story properly in order to realise the truth. Here is how the timeline flows:

He found and gave the rennigan to Nagato just before the 2nd shinobi world war or while the war was still going on. why did I say so? Answer: it is because in the timeline of Naruto, Nagato is way older than Obito and Jiraya found Nagato during the 2nd world war where/after they they fought Hanzo of the Salamander and where now known as the sennins. Jiraya trained Nagato, Yahiko and Konan for 3 years, after which he then returned to the leaf and Minato Namikaze became his apprentice and he taught him too.

On the other hand, he saved Obito during the 3rd shinobi war when he was much older and trained or passed some sharingan traits to Obito.
Another issue is that Madara was also wearing mask in his time after he left the village, when he exploited 4th Mizukage and helped Itachi kill the Uchihas because he hated them for abandoning him. But after he died, Obito/Tobi started wearing mask as well to pretend he was Madara, that is where the confusion came in.

You might argue that Madara still had his eyes (sharingan) when he saved Obito, but you have to Remember that Madara was the leader of the Uchihas, and he has so many sharingans in store. If Danzo could get that many sharingans on his arm, why wont the leader of Uchiha have other sharingans to his access (not even one?).

Madara already had his plan to be immortal which is why he gave Nagato that rennigan as an Uzumaki, he would have more chakra reserves to train and explore the powers of the eyes in order to awaken him later.
He then pass on his dreams to Obito as a master would pass his visions to his apprentice, and told him about his plan. So Tobi would have rejected it first but after he found out the world is full of pain after he lost Rin then he starts listening to Madara and started training before he started pretending to be Madara, and leading akatsuki; which in fact was set up by Madara himself and not Tobi.

Hope this help u understand a bit more and have now made people that said Nagato awakened rennigan himself awaken from their self casted genjutsu.... I bet none of u can stand up and make those threads anymore



I am presently happy to say; Now all these theories have been backed up by Kishi when u read 602
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/602/17

[SEEDLESS]

ah , i think the left eye that obito used to cast izanagi during fight with konan was madara's new eye .

that's a high possibility. nice one dude

[8thHokage]

good chapter.. when and how did madara give nagato his eyes? why would he even give nagato his eyes?

[TheOnlyBlackGaiHere]

"Spoiler"
Haha obito offered madara some oral
Madara basically said not now

"Prediction"
Obito learns how to slip thru things, obito leaves the uchiha man cave, obito finds out Rin is dead, obito cries, obito goes back to the mancave to find out about the zombie moon plan

[IKSOKRIPS]

People shut up about Tobi being an adult when he fought minato.. kakashi and gai were also at 'adult height' at that time..
But a lot must have happened in those few years for obito to become like he acted when he fought minato.

No, not few years, just one. :y

[Raruto]

awesome chapter finally some answers are starting pour in ! and hey guys im new

[betienne]

Cool chapter confirms Madara Uchiha gave negato his eyes, I wonder how considering the condition he is in though? Also when Madara Uchiha said you need two sharingans to unlock its full potential i think he meant "The Rinnegan", which means its a extension of the Eternal mangekyo sharigan. I believe Sasuke Uchiha will eventually unlock the rinnegan & fight Madara Uchiha in battle. Anyone have feedback on these topic reply. Excited for next week!

[UnrealSoul]

Well this finally answered some questions but the answers were pretty obvious...

The explanation of "You survived by miracle" or something like that I still think it's not sufficient... Hope Kishi will properly explain HOW he survived being crushed by those rocks...
And if Madara couldn't move from that cave, how exactly did he give his eyes to Nagato?

I guess you didn't read the chapter.He gave nagato his eyes and got a new sharnigan.

Nagato is older then obito so the time is relevant that madara can still move.Your forgetting this madara we see is some what over a hundred years old.

Also how hard is it to imagine the gedo branches can stretch?

OT:Seriously this is not hashiramas doing.Madara is some what over a HUNDRED YEARS OLD...this is why he is disabled completely.

Madara left hashi on the brink of death and hashi did the same to madara. God most of you are some **** riders.

[KillerbYo]

At least now we can put all of those theories about there being 2 Tobies to rest look at Madara there is no way he could have been the other Tobi

:overjoy:

We still dont know that for sure.

[Sabuto Hayashi]

We had a really good chapter this week!
We learned that:
Madara obtained the Rinnengan and implanted both his eyes into Nagato.
Zetsu and Gedo Mazo were created by Madara.
Obito was still himself from the beginning, and makes it likely that Goofy Tobi was the 'real' Obito's personality.
Obito has had Hashirama's DNA all along; a confirmation for those who claimed Tobi had them to perform Izanagi against Konan.

Personally, I really liked that Obito was still the same. It was actually sad to see him somewhat energetic and hopeful before his corruption. It's a shame he never made it back to the Leaf; Team Minato would have been epiiic again!

I can't wait to see how the next few chapters turn out. The drawing style seems to be improving as well!
5/5

Also, did anybody notice on pg15 that one of the Zetzus/Gedo Mazo resembles Tobi's mask? It almost seems like a skin you could put over yourself. Could that be the reason why Kisame and Itachi thought he was Madara? Perhaps Obito wore it to appear like Madara?

[UnrealSoul]

good chapter.. when and how did madara give nagato his eyes? why would he even give nagato his eyes?

He knew nagato was an orphan uzumaki.Completely believable...

[TheOnlyBlackGaiHere]

awesome chapter finally some answers are starting pour in ! and hey guys im new

Me too...how new are you ?

[realobito1]

Finally some pasts are revealed and questions answered. So it seems that nagato does have madara's rinnigan and it was madara who gave it to him.

[8thHokage]

how did he even know nagato? i feel like he has been hooked up too that tree before nagato was even born..

[Uchiha Josephus]

Great chapter! 4/5

- Now we have confirmed zetsu/hashi additon to Obito's body
- Obito still has 2-tomoe sharingan
- Obito looked as if he "slipped" through the rocks -> the rocks caved in the ceiling of the tunnel and his body fell away from the rocks so he wasn't crushed. Hence a "miracle"
- Madara gave Rinnegan to Nagato
- Madara is on life support
- Obito eventually gets Madara's left eye -> uses it for Izanagi against Konan
- Some brainwashing is about to begin!

Can't wait for next week!

[Vennybear]

- personally i think because he was dying and eager to escape he somehow managed to use his space time technique without even knowing he did it or he could do it...

- also i read i few pages back that madara awakened his rinnegan after battle with hashirama what possibly is true but i was just thinking maybe nagato was a little 'experiment' for madara and he gave his 2 sharingan eyes to nagato which then became rinnegan due to the fact that nagato is an uzumaki and therefor also a relative to the SO6P... and because of that the power of the eyes (sharingan/uchiha) and the power of the body (senju/uzumaki) came back together and his 2 sharingan became rinnegan.

(again just a theory i'm not saying it's true but the credibility is the same as madara awakening the rinnegan after fighting hashirama, or in this case the body and eyes of the SO6P come together what creates the rinnegan)




so far my post, next few lines is just some WILD guessing so please don't make a fuss about it only what i said above this line is what i actually think is possible


- BUT if my theory is correct it would mean that with naruto being a uzumaki he would also be able to get the rinnegan if received a sharingan
aaaand imagine now a scenario where sasuke is dying or working together with naruto it could be that naruto gets his eyes wow :D anyway just brainstorming here haha :D