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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by shogun973 View Post
    What? no he didnt land or throw shit.....he teleported(instant) to a different kunai then teleported back to the kunai he had in his hand that he let go of before he got punched in the face

    Besides that A's reflexes were not tested in those scans he got countered as in he threw the punch and minatos reflexes were tested

    dodging jugos freaking final flash is reflexes
    Agree with this....scan shows Minato drops the kunai...ftg to kunai on tree and ftg back to the dropped kunai above A...IMO Minato's reflexes are still faster then A's in V2...but A's pure speed in V2 is barely quicker then Minato w/o Ftg...just my opinion
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by The God of Wind View Post
    im confused.......somebody clear this up
    Yeah, Minato just left the kunai he had on his hand before the raikage punch him in the face, he dint really have that time to put the kunai over there or to land it from the tree.

    since minato's technique is instantanous it does mattar how how fast is raikage, instantanous is instantanous, minato dodged but raikage trew the punch missed and passed by the kunai that minato left behind.

    minato then came back in a blink to the kunai that was almost at raikages's back but there is where the problem comes in, minato does not have a technique to stop time.
    raikage v1=minato speed and reflex.

    raikage was already in fast motion passing thrue the kunai when minato came back to it, it does not matter how some put it, but minat would have not be able to land the hit on raikage, because minato had to teleport to the kunai then quickly attack raikage.. it does not make much sense to me...

    if there are in pair of speed how the **** was minato planing on hiting raikage, when minago is in raikages back and in the mid air, while raikage is running already. raikage does not have to accelerate, he is already accelerated, minato is the one who as to.

    But at the end of that scene, Bee's tail>minato'sharishim and speed>raikage lol
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Bottom line is Raikage was bested regardless of reflexes his arrogance lead him to believe his full speed was capable of catching anyone.
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    You confuse me, its seems at one minute you are talking about speed if you consider teleportation speed (hiraishin) and then some other parts you are talking about reaction time, not sure which one it is. If anything all youve said is talked about hiraishin and unless im confusing something.
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    You confuse me, its seems at one minute you are talking about speed if you consider teleportation speed (hiraishin) and then some other parts you are talking about reaction time, not sure which one it is. If anything all youve said is talked about hiraishin and unless im confusing something.
    I'm talking about body speed. I believe that Minatos body speed is greater than Raikage. So he could react faster than Raikage like we can see on my pics, but Raikage has greater Shunshin in V2
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    I'm talking about body speed. I believe that Minatos body speed is greater than Raikage. So he could react faster than Raikage like we can see on my pics, but Raikage has greater Shunshin in V2
    You now confuse me even more now. If by body speed you mean hiraishin then this is obvious
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    You now confuse me even more now. If by body speed you mean hiraishin then this is obvious
    Nope, i'm not talking about hiraishin, but his body movement. To take an example, i will refer to Gai for example. He is not really faster than Raikage, but in 6gates his hands movement should be faster cuz he is able to land multiple blows in an instant which create even fire. So what i'm saying is that in a fight, Minato could surpass Raikage in body movement eventhough in a battle of speed to go somewhere to another, Raikage could win in V2 if we don't counter FTG
     
         
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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Nice researching :D
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Nope, i'm not talking about hiraishin, but his body movement. To take an example, i will refer to Gai for example. He is not really faster than Raikage, but in 6gates his hands movement should be faster cuz he is able to land multiple blows in an instant which create even fire. So what i'm saying is that in a fight, Minato could surpass Raikage in body movement eventhough in a battle of speed to go somewhere to another, Raikage could win in V2 if we don't counter FTG
    this statement is sooooo wrong his jutsu is faster not his body speed lmao ur truly contradicting no hating either
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Nope, i'm not talking about hiraishin, but his body movement. To take an example, i will refer to Gai for example. He is not really faster than Raikage, but in 6gates his hands movement should be faster cuz he is able to land multiple blows in an instant which create even fire. So what i'm saying is that in a fight, Minato could surpass Raikage in body movement eventhough in a battle of speed to go somewhere to another, Raikage could win in V2 if we don't counter FTG
    Body movement usually means foot speed and since you arent talking about hiraishin, i thought you were talking about foot speed which v2 A is faster as you yourself as accepted. Seems like you are talking about reaction speed, like how fast you can react to something. In that case, no minato's base speed and reaction isnt fast enough to evade v2 A, if he didnt have ftg. With hiraishin, what he does isnt body speed, but teleportation and in that case, what you call body speed isnt that.

    What you are basically saying is that minato's base speed/reaction can evade v2 A without hirashin and that obviously is incorrect
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Reposting since no one seems to see.

    Just pointing this out for arguements sake, but since Raikage had not expected for Minato to avoid his full speed, wouldn't the momentary shock be enough to compensate for his lack of reaction? Plus considering Minato's technique is instant, he had next to no time to react when Minato appeared on his back.

    The next time when he charged, he was fully ready to react to wherever Minato appeared, though was caught off guard when he appeared behind Bee.

    This would make it seem that raikage in V2 was at least on par with Minato in terms of reflexes, but wasnt able to show it afterwards since Minato completely caught him off guard from appearing next to Bee.
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Body movement usually means foot speed and since you arent talking about hiraishin, i thought you were talking about foot speed which v2 A is faster as you yourself as accepted. Seems like you are talking about reaction speed, like how fast you can react to something. In that case, no minato's base speed and reaction isnt fast enough to evade v2 A, if he didnt have ftg. With hiraishin, what he does isnt body speed, but teleportation and in that case, what you call body speed isnt that.

    What you are basically saying is that minato's base speed/reaction can evade v2 A without hirashin and that obviously is incorrect
    Yes it's what i'm saying. I do believe that minatos base speed/reaction can evade v2 A without hiraishin, and i prove it by showing that Minato was even able to land a kunai above Raikage without he knew. If he was able to throw a kunai above him, it shows that his reaction speed is enough to avoid him
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Yes it's what i'm saying. I do believe that minatos base speed/reaction can evade v2 A without hiraishin, and i prove it by showing that Minato was even able to land a kunai above Raikage without he knew. If he was able to throw a kunai above him, it shows that his reaction speed is enough to avoid him
    Dafuq?. You admitted that minato's base speed is inferior to v2 A yet you say he can evade A with this.
    I cannot remember what chapter it was, but it was said that v1 A's reflex is comparable to minato's. To think minato can evade v2 A with his base speed alone is very far fetched. Not only because v2 A is faster than minato's, A v1 reaction has been compared to mnato's, he evaded A with hirashin and even that look how close the gap was, all because he managed to teleport. If he tried to use shunshin, he is done for and he knew this
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Dafuq?. You admitted that minato's base speed is inferior to v2 A yet you say he can evade A with this.
    I cannot remember what chapter it was, but it was said that v1 A's reflex is comparable to minato's. To think minato can evade v2 A with his base speed alone is very far fetched. Not only because v2 A is faster than minato's, A v1 reaction has been compared to mnato's, he evaded A with hirashin and even that look how close the gap was, all because he managed to teleport. If he tried to use shunshin, he is done for and he knew this
    I think you're confusing body speed/reflexes and Shunshin speed here. Eventhough i believe Raikage Shunshin speed is faster than Minatos, Minatos body movement speed is faster than Raikage in V2, and it's what i'm trying to explain here, so overall i'm saying that Minato is faster than Raikage whether he uses V1 or 2. It's only his shunshin which is faster
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by fastrthnwind View Post
    Just pointing this out for arguements sake, but since Raikage had not expected for Minato to avoid his full speed, wouldn't the momentary shock be enough to compensate for his lack of reaction? Plus considering Minato's technique is instant, he had next to no time to react when Minato appeared on his back.

    The next time when he charged, he was fully ready to react to wherever Minato appeared, though was caught off guard when he appeared behind Bee.

    This would make it seem that raikage in V2 was at least on par with Minato in terms of reflexes, but wasnt able to show it afterwards since Minato completely caught him off guard from appearing next to Bee.
    Doesn't matter, momentary shock is a part of reflexes you have to be sharp and alert or it will cost you your life. It may not reflect your true potential but I am sure something like that wouldn't happen to minato, if someone invaded his attack I am sure he wouldn't be in shock he would prepare for a counter attack in a flash whether it be another FTG or a FTG level 2 or whatever
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    I think you're confusing body speed/reflexes and Shunshin speed here. Eventhough i believe Raikage Shunshin speed is faster than Minatos, Minatos body movement speed is faster than Raikage in V2, and it's what i'm trying to explain here, so overall i'm saying that Minato is faster than Raikage whether he uses V1 or 2. It's only his shunshin which is faster
    Yh im confused because you are confusing me. So basically to you body speed= reflex, though that isnt the case let assume.
    Next minato's shunshin is greater than A's. However when A add's raiton to shunshin does he go above minato's shunshin.

    Anyway though you believe v2 A is faster than minato's shunshin, you believe minato has better reflexes?. Again that isnt correct because it was said that his is equivalent to v1 A so that is wrong. Lets assume minato has better reflexes than v2 A (even though its wrong). Having better reflexes alone doesnt guarantee that you will evade somebody faster than you. Id give you a rough example. Sasuke vs lee. Sasuke had the advantage of the sharingan, he had the precognition, however as lee said just because you can see it doesnt mean you can evade it if you dont have the speed necessary
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Dafuq?. You admitted that minato's base speed is inferior to v2 A yet you say he can evade A with this.
    I cannot remember what chapter it was, but it was said that v1 A's reflex is comparable to minato's. To think minato can evade v2 A with his base speed alone is very far fetched. Not only because v2 A is faster than minato's, A v1 reaction has been compared to mnato's, he evaded A with hirashin and even that look how close the gap was, all because he managed to teleport. If he tried to use shunshin, he is done for and he knew this
    He is not saying he will avoid his v2 attack with his base speed he's saying he will avoid it with his reflexes/body speed so for example while he is standing still throwing his kunai somewhere and teleporting to it. Not that he will body flicker away.
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Er... for the people saying he just teleported back to the kunai he was holding without throwing it... the kunai was BELOW the Raikage's belt when Minato was holding it, so how the hell would it get to ABOVE the Raikage's BACK without something moving it there... :flaw: so OBVIOUSLY Minato must have thrown it! This is the main thread's point! If Minato had time to move the kunai from below the Raikage's belt to above him, he had enough reflex time to dodge!
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hidden Shinobi View Post
    Doesn't matter, momentary shock is a part of reflexes you have to be sharp and alert or it will cost you your life. It may not reflect your true potential but I am sure something like that wouldn't happen to minato, if someone invaded his attack I am sure he wouldn't be in shock he would prepare for a counter attack in a flash whether it be another FTG or a FTG level 2 or whatever
    I see why you have a lot of reps. You talk a lot of sense
     
         

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    Re: Minato vs Raikage(Some misconceptions)

    Quote Originally Posted by Niwdog View Post
    I see why you have a lot of reps. You talk a lot of sense
    Thanks man, it's also funny threads and post and good theories.
     
         

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