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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by TimUsher View Post
    if you think your SOOOO smart then defend this, why didnt he stop the other coffins why was he only concerned about the third coffin
    I dont think i am smart. I am smart. And i do not even bother to answer this question... If you think about it, you will find the answer.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    I dont think i am smart. I am smart. And i do not even bother to answer this question... If you think about it, you will find the answer.
    Peaceful is right and you're wrong.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shisui Uchiha View Post
    Peaceful is right and you're wrong.
    peaceful is wrong , cuz if you watch anime on coffin saying Yon on japanese which means 'four' heres even video i found on youtube... and orochimaru said hokages...
    YouTube - How to write Kanji Yon
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by UnknowNinjaName View Post
    peaceful is wrong , cuz if you watch anime on coffin saying Yon on japanese which means 'four' heres even video i found on youtube... and orochimaru said hokages...
    YouTube - How to write Kanji Yon
    because the 4th is also known as the yellow flash so, the 3rd will lose (or die) in a flash.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by teamgai2201 View Post
    because the 4th is also known as the yellow flash so, the 3rd will lose (or die) in a flash.
    yeah he couldnt defeat 3 of them but even if he could then orochimaru would just finish him cuz he would be out of stamina and chakra too...
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by UnknowNinjaName View Post
    yeah he couldnt defeat 3 of them but even if he could then orochimaru would just finish him cuz he would be out of stamina and chakra too...
    true but the dead hokages might weaken him then orochimaru kills him
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    ok don't preach to us what element beats what because we all know... ok? and second this topic has been discussed numerous times like YEEEAAARRSS AGO. you are so retarded (retarded as in LATE). and third, i think minato's hiraishin technique was more of a concern for sarutobi. now someone please close the god awful thread.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    The Sandaime Kazekage would have fit nicely there, however, making the pattern 1, 2, 3, ect.

    The "but we didn't know anything about him yet" argument: We knew just as much as we did about the Sandaime Kazekage at the time as we did about the Shodai and Nidaime Hokages. The only difference: We knew what the Shodai and Nidaime Hokage's faces looked like. And the flashbacks of Sarutobi with Shodai and Nidaime? To intoduce them to us a little. Face it, before the fight, we knew just about as much about the Shodai and Nidaime Hokages as we knew about the Sandaime Kazekage: practically nothing. If the Sandaime Kazekage was first summoned here in his real body, instead of during the Sasori fight as a puppet, we would have learned about who he was there during the fight. Baki or someone would somehow noticed one of the Sandaime Kazekage's ninjutsus and say "That... couldn't be!" like one of the Anbu did when they noticed Shodai's jutsu.

    The "Sarutobi was afraid of who was in the coffin" argument: Sandaime was already going to have to fight two other Kages and then Orochimaru, a very difficult thing to do. It didn't really matter who was in the coffin, he just didn't want to have to fight a total of four opponents. From the pattern, it's almost 99% chance of being true that the person in the last coffin was another Kage. If that summon had been succesful, Sarutobi would have had to fight a total of four Kages (Orochimaru=Otokage), which is nowhere near an easy thing to do.
    And don't forget the Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Sand jutsus are just as dangerous as Shodai's mokuton jutsus and Nidaime's suiton jutsus. Fighting three people who use techniques such as those would be no where near easy, so he had to take down at least one coffin, to give himself a better chance of winning. Fighting four Kages would have just been too much for Sarutobi, and he knew he had to take one out, if he wanted a good chance of winning.

    The "Sarutobi knew it was Yondaime" argument: And Sarutobi can't be wrong? He has some psychic powers that told him he was going to summon Yondaime? Summoning the Sandime Kazekage would have also completed and made a pattern. Sarutobi's hunch was that it was going to be Yondaime. However, it could have just as easily been the Sandaime Kazekage.
    Character's can be wrong and make mistakes. I don't see what's so hard to grasp about this. After all, if this were right, I assume Sai must be right about Naruto making a mistake and only would have gotten in the way during the teamwork training exercise. And that Itachi must be right about how killing your best friend is the only way to get the MS. Face it, characters can make mistakes and be wrong and there is every chance that Sarutobi could have been wrong here.
    Peaceful this is a great argument but i dont see why you are fighting this so much? like why couldnt it be the fourth hokage, and they found they fourth kazekages body somewhere else and the third kazekage well sasori had him so i dont get what your proving
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    And minato was in the death gods seal so he could not be used. And oro killed the fourth kazekage if you remember, so it is logical to assume he used the body he just killed...
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    And minato was in the death gods seal so he could not be used. And oro killed the fourth kazekage if you remember, so it is logical to assume he used the body he just killed...
    lol
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by UnknowNinjaName View Post
    peaceful is wrong , cuz if you watch anime on coffin saying Yon on japanese which means 'four' heres even video i found on youtube... and orochimaru said hokages...
    YouTube - How to write Kanji Yon
    I don't care what the anime says. Kishi doesn't make the anime, he makes the manga, which shows no answer as to who the third summon was.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    And minato was in the death gods seal so he could not be used. And oro killed the fourth kazekage if you remember, so it is logical to assume he used the body he just killed...
    Orochimaru killed the 4th Kazekage, but he left the body dead where they fought. Remember after the fighting, sand ninjas found the dead 4th Kazekage body in a crevice.
    Which leaves the 4th Hokage, Tcshuchikage, and Raikage. The 4th Mizukage was that jinchuuriiki Yagura.
    And from what we know, we can logically say that Orochimaru summoned the 4th Hokage, rather than the other unknown Tc-kage and Raikage.
    It was Minato... Hope this clears this up.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shisui Uchiha View Post
    I don't care what the anime says. Kishi doesn't make the anime, he makes the manga, which shows no answer as to who the third summon was.
    you kiddin right?
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by HiddenShadowNinja View Post
    Where does it ever say that the 4ths element was lightning? I don't think I ever saw anywhere where it said that.
    yeah i agree thats kakashi's element and how did you get it that the thirds ''blood-limit'' was mud?
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    well cuz as soon as the 4th's coffin open the battle will end in a blink of an eye lol its bad enough that he has 2 fight 2 former hokages +orochimaru
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by GriffinofKonoha View Post
    The reason why the 3rd stopped the 4th coffin from rising was because he knew he would be totally unable to fight the 1st, 2nd and 4th all at the same time considering that the 4th was the greatest Hokage the village has had.
    yes

    besides the 3rd and 4th obviously knew each other well and shared techniques.... how else would they both know the shinigami sealing jutsu!? im sure after working together the 3rd hokage could have developed some counter to the 4ths flying thunder god tech... but to take 3 of the 4 previous hokages at once would be suicide... and since the 4th was stronger than 2nd and 1st. sarutobi knew he couldnt let him be revived...

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    And minato was in the death gods seal so he could not be used. And oro killed the fourth kazekage if you remember, so it is logical to assume he used the body he just killed...
    orochi didnt use the 1st or second hokage's body's he sacrificed two shinobi to perform the jutsu and "dirt and dust formed the body of the previous hokage around the body's he sacrificed". also just because minato was in the shinigami doesnt mean he cant be summoned to fight for orochi
     
         
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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    we dont kno for certain who it was in the coffin but i think it was the 4th hokage rather than the 4th kazekage because that would show all the sand nin that orochimaru killed their kage and they would startin fightin against the sound nin rather than continue wit the invasion ,idk thats just me
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sly Anbu View Post
    Orochimaru killed the 4th Kazekage, but he left the body dead where they fought. Remember after the fighting, sand ninjas found the dead 4th Kazekage body in a crevice.
    Which leaves the 4th Hokage, Tcshuchikage, and Raikage. The 4th Mizukage was that jinchuuriiki Yagura.
    And from what we know, we can logically say that Orochimaru summoned the 4th Hokage, rather than the other unknown Tc-kage and Raikage.
    It was Minato... Hope this clears this up.
    Nope this doesnt clear up anything. Orochimaru did not need to use Kazekages body.
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    you kiddin right?
    Of course not.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    Quote Originally Posted by Shisui Uchiha View Post
    It did not have 4 on it. Go back and read it, because you are genuinely wrong about this. There is absolutely NO proof of who it was, only speculation. As to why Sarutobi wouldn't want it summoned. THINK ABOUT IT. If it was Orochimaru's summon it would have been a Kage level ninja. 4 Kage level ninjas vs. 1 Kage level ninja is a lot different than 3 v 1.

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    oh, my bad.
    i thought i read someone say there was a 4,
    and i just got too lazy to look back.
     
         

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    Re: Why Sarutobi-sama had to prevent the fourth's Coffin from opening...

    [QUOTE=peaceful;1333089]Nope this doesnt clear up anything. Orochimaru did not need to use Kazekages body.


    Of course you need to use someone's body to summon them. And if their body is not in ideal shape, (like the 1st and 2nd Hokage) then you can perform a sacrifice jutsu/technique where you use one of your pawns instead. But you still need the body to get its likeness. Orochimaru did this. The fact that the 4th Kazekage's body was still in the sand village proves that Orochimaru didn't perform the reanimation jutsu on him.
     
         

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