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    Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Old WB is not stronger than an admiral.

    The skirmish between Aokiji and WB was interrupted. Neither could damage the other. Aokiji was shattered and WB was frozen. Both recovered. Jozu stalls Aokiji then. Kizaru was stalled by Marco. Later Kizaru did take on WB.



    This was an even fight. Later Kizaru shoots WB when he looks away for a second.



    Whitebeard has to fight Kizaru with full power or he will get destroyed.

    WB vs Akainu. The most misinterpreted fight.



    Even.

    WB when in the middle of a fit.



    The last confrontation.



    Although WB manages to TEMPORARILY stop Akainu (he was later seen fighting against the entire WB pirates and coming out on top), at what cost? At the cost of a significant portion of his face. A wound that would be life threatening. This was after he ambushed Akainu too. A careless and sloppy fighting style like that only made matters worse for WB.

    Rayleigh too easily fought on par with Kizaru. Yet everyone keeps saying WB is above admirals and some go as far as too say he could stalemate 2 admirals. Seriously.

    Conclusion: Despite his OP DF, WB is about the same as Rayleigh and the admirals. Prime WB and Prime Rayleigh are above, though. Although they still can't handle 2 admirals, I would say.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Old WB >= Admiral
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

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    Old WB >= Admiral
    Old WB = Admiral.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Quote Originally Posted by SSS12 View Post
    Old WB = Admiral.
    I don't think so, he might have lost half his face but he still won against Akainu, and he already had injuries from previous fights so it has to be >=
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi98 View Post
    I don't think so, he might have lost half his face but he still won against Akainu, and he already had injuries from previous fights so it has to be >=
    Various characters have demonstrated feats beyond them when severely injured. Zoro, Law, Luffy to name a few. Besides WB was at an advantage there since he ambushed Akainu. He would never have been able to hit Akainu like that otherwise. He stopped Akainu for like, 10 minutes while receiving a death wound himself. Hence,

    Old WB=Admiral
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    The injuries WB had were astronomical. You really have to take that into consideration. He's an old, sick, dying, and heavily damaged man and is still fighting fists to fists with Admirals. He is outstanding.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Quote Originally Posted by SSS12 View Post
    Various characters have demonstrated feats beyond them when severely injured. Zoro, Law, Luffy to name a few. Besides WB was at an advantage there since he ambushed Akainu. He would never have been able to hit Akainu like that otherwise. He stopped Akainu for like, 10 minutes while receiving a death wound himself. Hence,

    Old WB=Admiral
    But WB didn't have some normal wounds he had a ****ing hole in his body, got stabbed and got shot by freacking cannons
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    The fact that WB lost is because he ordered his forces to step down and faced the whole MF alone...

    Whereas I concur, if he had just the admirals against him he'd have lost but,
    Individually, he can destroy every admiral and can almost defeat Sengoku/Garp...

    Had it not been to save Ace, WB would have solo'ed the MF right from the start...
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi98 View Post
    But WB didn't have some normal wounds he had a ****ing hole in his body, got stabbed and got shot by freacking cannons
    He needed such injuries to count as actual injuries. I'm sure you saw the size of the guy. A sword wound to him is like a toothpick for us. I do agree he was injured, but like I said, various characters have shown strength beyond them at such times. And WB certainly had some serious motivation.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    People love to overrate him. I put him and all other Yonko at or around Admiral level.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by YellowFang View Post
    The fact that WB lost is because he ordered his forces to step down and faced the whole MF alone...

    Whereas I concur, if he had just the admirals against him he'd have lost but,
    Individually, he can destroy every admiral and can almost defeat Sengoku/Garp...

    Had it not been to save Ace, WB would have solo'ed the MF right from the start...
    He can't defeat any admiral one on one, only stalemate. After Ace was freed, he did try to take down MF. He failed. BB had to finish the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by iSpeak View Post
    People love to overrate him. I put him and all other Yonko at or around Admiral level.
    Exactly. WB is a very likeable character, but come on. Don't overrate him like this. He wouldn't want that.
     
         
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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Quote Originally Posted by SSS12 View Post
    He can't defeat any admiral one on one, only stalemate. After Ace was freed, he did try to take down MF. He failed. BB had to finish the job.
    But he did win, he won against Akainu
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Wb got his heart pierced , and he is very old man at 79 i think? yet he was able to pull that sh1t up.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Newgate was stronger than all those 3 Admirals at that time, simply because for them to be able to fight him they placed a lewd plan in motion. If you remember correctly:

    1. Newgate's health was badlly deteriorated even before the fight.
    2. He got stabbed by Squado on the chest and yet Sakazuki, Kuzan and Borsalino were not able to defeat him. They simply injured him.
    3. After all that he took down a giant, stopped a ship with one hand that Squado was riding.
    4. Managed to defeat Teach well that is until he recieved help from his comrades...

    Sakazuki was suppose to die in the war but due to Oda's change of plans he was alive. Kizaru is afraid of Ben Beckman which I think Newgate can easily defeat, face it Edward was stronger than all Admirals even Sengoku and Garp are stronger than those Admirals but they still admitted inferiority to him... he wasn't called the strongest for nothing. The admials failed to defeat a legend that had lost its fangs... lol
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Whitebeard >>>>>every Admiral in a one on one fight....his second in command Marco was able to kick around admirals like its soccer....well except for Akainu of course......Plus Whitebeard wrecked Akainu....he could barely put up a fist to whitebeard the only reason he was able to damage whitbeard is because of his lethal magma.....I think a 60 year old whitbeard could take on all 3 Admirals and win Tbh .
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Is this a joke? Even in his weakened and illness ridden old age wb was able to pummel akainu into oblivion and could certainly have killed him. Look at the amount of damage he took and still kept going. WB is a monster, only matched by Roger and Garp in his prime.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    why do you think akainu had to lie to squardo so he can betray whitebeard? he needed a way for whitebeard to be injured before he made a move.

    and he was also getting heart attacks at marineford and STILL was a threat.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Nah. Luffy, Newgate, Garp and Shanks were on their own level at that war.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Quote Originally Posted by SSS12 View Post
    He can't defeat any admiral one on one, only stalemate. After Ace was freed, he did try to take down MF. He failed. BB had to finish the job.
    Newgate was stronger than all those 3 Admirals at that time, simply because for them to be able to fight him they placed a lewd plan in motion. If you remember correctly:

    1. Newgate's health was badlly deteriorated even before the fight.
    2. He got stabbed by Squado on the chest and yet Sakazuki, Kuzan and Borsalino were not able to defeat him. They simply injured him.
    3. After all that he took down a giant, stopped a ship with one hand that Squado was riding.
    4. Managed to defeat Teach well that is until he recieved help from his comrades...

    Sakazuki was suppose to die in the war but due to Oda's change of plans he was alive. Kizaru is afraid of Ben Beckman which I think Newgate can easily defeat, face it Edward was stronger than all Admirals even Sengoku and Garp are stronger than those Admirals but they still admitted inferiority to him... he wasn't called the strongest for nothing. The admials failed to defeat a legend that had lost its fangs... lol
    I think you should consider this post as a thread closer...
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    There is a huge difference between kizaru's hit and run tactics when Whitebeard is destroying some other victim.

    If WB fought him one on one, he would pummel him.

    Akoji tried to freeze him, that good easily overwhelmed and Akoji ended up getting a stabbed in the chest.

    Whitebeard who was sick and already stabbed, end up destroying akainu and sending him underground.


    So Whitebeard>>>Admirals

    All yonkous>>>admirals at this point
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Outside View Post
    Nah. Luffy, Newgate, Garp and Shanks were on their own level at that war.
    Luffy? What da ****? He was fodder compared to characters in the war

    IMO:

    Admiral = Yonkou =< Old Whiteeard << Prime Whitebeard
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi98 View Post
    Luffy? What da ****? He was fodder compared to characters in the war

    IMO:

    Admiral = Yonkou =< Old Whiteeard << Prime Whitebeard
    Pfft, he punched Garp.

    And an Admiral does not equal a Yonko, otherwise there would be no Yonko left. The WG would just wipe them out.
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    I do actually think that if Akainu and WB went all out no distractions it would be about a 50:50 win chance

    I do think that Admiral tier is extremely close to Yonko tier (keep in mind that the yonko and admirals all have differerent power levels)

    Quote Originally Posted by crono0929 View Post
    why do you think akainu had to lie to squardo so he can betray whitebeard? he needed a way for whitebeard to be injured before he made a move.

    and he was also getting heart attacks at marineford and STILL was a threat.
    He lied to squardo because they were in war and he was trying to get every advantage he could

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Weezy~ View Post
    think a 60 year old whitbeard could take on all 3 Admirals and win Tbh .
    Yea ... No

    After his match against Akainu it was clear WB was gonna die, he was very weak after the fight, after Akainu v WB WB went and died while Akainu pished back ALL the porates including the commanders and Marco and they fled from him
     
         
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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Outside View Post
    Pfft, he punched Garp.

    And an Admiral does not equal a Yonko, otherwise there would be no Yonko left. The WG would just wipe them out.
    Pfft Garp let him

    Yeah and they would leave the headquarter without anyone to protect it from other pirates
     
         

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    Re: Why does everyone think Marineford WB>Admiral?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi98 View Post
    Pfft Garp let him

    Yeah and they would leave the headquarter without anyone to protect it from other pirates
    Pfft no he didn't.

    No they wouldn't? Fleet Admiral, VAs. Any of the Yonko could mid diff an Admiral.
     
         

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