Re: Reasons why i believe that Jiraiya would beat Itachi Uchiha in a battle:
Fleeing a battle means he has won against itachi??
1. Susanoo is far less dangerous with knowledge. Jiraiya can just simply flee
and let Susanoo completely drain Itachi. Of course Yomi Numa can counter it anyway IMO, so I don't see Susanoo as a big issue. Back to the flee point, it would also give him time to prep Frog Song.
Sure are some weird rules being listed here.
Of course, when Jiraiya flees, itachi will just keep susanou going to drain himself lol.
Errr....Amaterasu spread across entire 8tails within seconds, tobi also when engulfed had 3/4 of his body covered before he could act.
2. Itachi's 1 chance to win this fight is Amaterasu and even that can be debated. It is a LONG shot that Jiraiya would be able to seal it off of himself, so I wont argue that case. That said, there are some other things to consider.
Jiraiyas scrolls would be burnt to cinders before he could even attempt sealing the fire, and while jiraiya is sitting down with a scroll sealing this fire you think itachi is gonna just stand there watching??
Surely this is with all jutsus, not just amaterasu?? Meaning itachi can simply do the same for any jutsu Jiraiya uses against Itachi??
3. We saw Madara do something to get rid of it, most assume had to do with his phasing out of existence, which is a space/time transportation type thing. If you agree with all of that, then there is a chance reverse summoning would remove Amaterasu from a person. Maybe traversing the space/time barrier has that sort of effect. I am not saying this is the case, just something to think about.
....Itachi is the narutoverses king genjutsu user, he can cast extremely complex genjutsu using just his finger, i highly doubt frog song beats it.
4. Frog Song could still be an issue here due to speed and distance. With full knowledge on each other it may just be IC for Jiraiya and them to come out swinging in full force. They knew Pain was tough so they brought Naruto with a mini army and prepped SM and all that. They even came ready to use their "mini" Frog Song. So with such a starting distance and all stipulations provided there really isn't much Itachi can do to win this.
Its annoying where sage mode is the new thing so suddenly it beats everything-it doesn't, unless you dont remember Pain was fighting on equal ground with naruto PRIOR to 9tails release, and pain was bleeding from his mouth from over exhaution, and god realm had to wait for his powers to return.
Sage mode and shizz is great, but it isnt the end all everyone keeps making it out to be.
By the time he gets to Jiraiya??
By the time he gets to Jiraiya there could be 3 boss summons which will require every bit Itachi has to take care of. His only chance at taking them all 3 quickly would be via Susanoo, but that entails a massive chakra drain or even death.....still not sure exactly how quickly Susanoo kills him or the full effect it would have
Itachi is one of the fastest ninjas out there, he is at equal speed or more than Jiraiya, even kakashi has trouble keeping up and kakashi is stupidly fast.
Yes, tsukyomi is simply a will drainer, however there is no way to cast off mangekyou sharingan genjutsu, when sasuke broke it, itachi did it on purpose, that was the plan all along, only 8tails managed to stop sasukes mangekyou genjutsu, and im under the opinion thats because sasuke is a gay emo **** with 1% of the talent his brother held with tsukyomi.
Also, Tsukuyomi has yet to kill any one in the manga. At best it will weaken the spirit of the victim.
Weak willed ppl will die ppl with strong willpower will survive.
Jiraiya is by no means weak willed. He infact has more willpower than many ppl in the manga including kakashi. I mean he willed himself back to life to give a dying message to konoha and then he took a rocket hit head on before dying. I think he can tank Tsukuyomi
The 3 sannin are out-dated, the new generation beats the first.
Even the 4th was better than Jiraiya, orochimaru has fought Jiraiya and survived, and orochimaru got owned by itachi TWICE.
Jiraiyas strong, but compared to the big dogs of akatsuki (Paink, Madara, itachi) he's quite pathetic.
The whole thing where itachi and kisame had that convo is questionable also.
Kisames lines are heavily sarcastic, and when jiraiya turned up kisame looked more than willng to fight and appeared to be enjoying the prospect of fighting jiraiya-not scared.
Itachi seemed detatched.
It has also been considered more than likely that jiraiyas info was from itachi, given itachi was the spy in akatsuki and itachi never wanted to deal with jiraiya.
Also pains "if jiraiya had known, hed have beaten me" is questionable.
Most of konoha once realising his secret knew how to beat pain.
It doesn't mean Jiraiyas kickass though.
The problem with "if hed known the secret behind my attacks" is thats the whole point of ninjutsu etc.
Its meant to look impossible to beat until you figure out the trick, this is what every fight involving shikamaru teaches us.
Itachi has yatas mirror, IT DOESNT REQUIRE SUSANOU to be used.
susanou is a summon, that is all, totsuka sword and yatas mirror are legendary items, they are seperate.
Oro looked for totsuka, and oro wouldnt bother if it meant a sharingan summon requirement.
Itachis yatas mirror is an item, therefore theoretically requires no chakra.
Zetsu himself stated, itachi is INVINCIBLE.
ergo Jiraiya doesnt own itachi.
Hell even Tobi was scared of itachi, afterall, amaterasu DOES affect tobi, and itachi is very VERY smart.
Tobi planned for itachis death etc, and tobi himself said if itachi was fighting for real, sasuke would have been killed many times over.
Admittedly, itachi is overpowered, maybe thats why its a good thing he's dead.
Pain killed Jiraiya with ease and very quickly once he actually used his full capacity, he was toying with Jiraiya with the 3 lesser bodies, and taking on 3 required Jman to use his strongest genjutsu from the toads, and even that failed and pain continued with more bodies.
Pain is being ordered around by a sharingan user-Tobi
Itachi is on par or very close to Tobi in skill, as many have stated in the Madara vs oro thread, how itachis a good comparison as he beat oro and tobi would be similar given sharingan.
So, personally, itachi wins.
Thing is i personally am of the opinion that itachi is #1 ninja so far.
Until i see tobi fighting he'll remain there personally.
Itachi would have made an AWESOME hokage.