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    Why CR7 fans?

    We all know cr7 is a beast but why do a lot of cr7 fans think he is greater than or equal to Messi.

    That is laughable, messi is clearly the best player in the world, there is no 1a and 1b, there is only 1 number one player which is messi.

    FK/pen. - Messi
    Vision - Messi
    Dribbling - Messi
    Passing - Messi
    Finishing- Messi
    Clutchness - Messi

    the only advantage i see cr7 having over Messi is strength, speed, and heading.

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    we all know that messi is better but this kind of things happen always, just like with naruto fanboys of itachi claim that he can beat edo madara wich is absurd the same goes for football or anything, fanboys will agree with things that are not real, just get over it bro :D
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    I don't think many of the people watch sports here, but yea I agree.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    Messi ofc, cr7 --> attention whore
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    IKR some of these cr7 fanboys are delusional
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    I despise Messi but it is still painfully obvious he is better than Ronaldo.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    I agree

    If you don't mind me asking why do you despsise messi?
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    CR7 is my fav player but I wont deny that Messi may be better, still I dont think Messi is a better scorer than Ronaldo. Ronaldo is better free kick, heading, long shooter and good finisher but Messi contributes more than Ronaldo on their teams.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosgoved View Post
    I agree

    If you don't mind me asking why do you despsise messi?
    There is no proper reason, he tore Arsenal apart a few years ago and ever since then I've hated him and Barcelona, I know it is childish and if every team that got ripped apart by Messi hated him not many people would like him at all :shrug:. He is sort of cocky although he has legitimate reason (and Ronaldo is on a different level of arrogance), no real legitimate reason for my hatred, just a butthurt Arsenal fan
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    I agree that cr7 has better long distance shots but messi Is a better FK/pen specialist. Cr7 has a powerful leg when he attempts to FK but recently he barely hits the target while as messi is much more accurate

    @gooner
    , i feel u bro messi does that to a lot of teams
     
         
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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    well, messi is better at somepoints while ronaldo is bette at others!
    First messi has the perfect teammates in xavi and iniesta at the moment, who feed him with passes.
    in club level, messi is a sure win!
    But he struggles much more in the international area.
    Argentina has a better squad, and still every world cup, or copa america for messi, euros for ronaldo!
    Ronaldo is a much better performer.
    I love them both! But I would like to see Messi, play without the beauty passes from xavi and iniesta (for argentina) at the same level he performes for barcelona. Then I would say he is the better one!
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    lol, messi isn't a better finisher than ronaldo, i prefer ronaldo over messi, because he's more of a player than messi, he's stronger and faster, he also an amazing dribbler, he shoots better than messi, also in FK ronaldo is better and in penalty's they're both equal imo. these are my reasons and i don't care what you or anyone think of this. btw if anyone here call me a CR7 fanboy, you're all wrong, he isn't even in my top 5 fave players.
     
         
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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    @KM

    No cr7 is not a better finisher, messi has shown better finishing abilities when opposing players are draped over him.

    Also messi is a better FK specialist, Cr7 has all the shot power in the world but he rarely hits the target unlike mess who is more efficient in FKs.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosgoved View Post
    @KM

    No cr7 is not a better finisher, messi has shown better finishing abilities when opposing players are draped over him.

    Also messi is a better FK specialist, Cr7 has all the shot power in the world but he rarely hits the target unlike mess who is more efficient in FKs.
    so far i've seen ronaldo score more goals from FK and in finishin they are almost the same.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    Quote Originally Posted by kmrasengan View Post
    so far i've seen ronaldo score more goals from FK and in finishin they are almost the same.
    Ronaldo is more deadly in FK, but Messi is more efficient. The reason why some prefer Messi over Ronaldo in FK is due to CR hitting the wall half the time. Messi also hits the wall, as well as others, but less compared to Ronaldo. CR also has two years professional played over Messi, so of course he would have more FK goals. The truth is neither of the two are FK specialist.

    @OP Theres no doubt Messi is todays best player, no argument can prove other wise. CR is great, but Messi is a level beyond great. Messi is much more creative on the pitch and more fascinating to watch. He also has a nice gentleman/humble approach like Beckenbauer said. Stats/accomplishment all play in favour for Messi. He can play two different positions striker/winger and midfield. Neither of the two have done much international, but club wise Messi is dominant. I don't want to hear Messi has Xavi/Iniesta, because Ronaldo has Ozil/Alonso/Di Maria and now Modric, he has Casillas, the best keeper in the game today. Madrid have assembled which may perhaps be the best team to be assembled, youth and experienced players.

    The best part is, legends of acknowledge Messi presence and held him the best, which includes rivals. This speaks for itself, when Del Bosque, Brazilian Ronaldo, Van Basten, Wenger, Gullit, etc. Even Pele said Messi is better than Ronaldo.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

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    Ronaldo is more deadly in FK, but Messi is more efficient. The reason why some prefer Messi over Ronaldo in FK is due to CR hitting the wall half the time. Messi also hits the wall, as well as others, but less compared to Ronaldo. CR also has two years professional played over Messi, so of course he would have more FK goals. The truth is neither of the two are FK specialist.

    @OP Theres no doubt Messi is todays best player, no argument can prove other wise. CR is great, but Messi is a level beyond great. Messi is much more creative on the pitch and more fascinating to watch. He also has a nice gentleman/humble approach like Beckenbauer said. Stats/accomplishment all play in favour for Messi. He can play two different positions striker/winger and midfield. Neither of the two have done much international, but club wise Messi is dominant. I don't want to hear Messi has Xavi/Iniesta, because Ronaldo has Ozil/Alonso/Di Maria and now Modric, he has Casillas, the best keeper in the game today. Madrid have assembled which may perhaps be the best team to be assembled, youth and experienced players.

    The best part is, legends of acknowledge Messi presence and held him the best, which includes rivals. This speaks for itself, when Del Bosque, Brazilian Ronaldo, Van Basten, Wenger, Gullit, etc. Even Pele said Messi is better than Ronaldo.
    wow great analysis and I agree 100%

    I just wished his fans would stop saying ronaldo > messi
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    Ronaldo is better then messi in some aspects but messi overall > ronaldo as a player

    Ronaldo does not meet the standards messi has set over the past few years, he has lacked behind and paved way for the new legend lionel messi

    P.S Barcelona for Champions League
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    messi has a better team than ronaldo has.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    I'm just copy-pasting some of my old post since I've debated on this topic countless times (ReLax can testify that fact for me)


    Better Dribbling Skills -Messi

    Well, Messi is better but I find Ronaldo's dribble to be very good. Both are very close on that point. Ronaldo's dribbles are more technique-based and more of eye candies while Messi's dribbles are much simpler but much more effective in one-on-one. Frankly, I like Ronaldo's dribbles more but in football, victory is what matter. And Messi's dribbles are more deadly.

    Better Shot Power - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo's shot power has been improved considerably ever since he came to United. Messi's shot have also improved in power and precision but Ronaldo's is much more raw in it.

    Better Passing ability - Messi

    It's far from a tie. Sure, Ronaldo's 1-2 with Ozil, Benzema or even Rooney are great but it isn't something he can repeat in every matches. Messi is in a formation where passing and possession is not a style but a culture. And his passing skills surpassed Ronaldo by far thanks to the constant tiki-taka at Barca. Moreover, his long passes and crosses also improved a lot.

    Better Heading ability - Ronaldo

    Messi is poor with his header due to his short height and Ronaldo became a key header player thanks to Alex Ferguson. It was the part he improved the most in 2008. He also doesn't suffer from lack of height. So, without a doubt, Ronaldo.

    Better Efficiency in front of goal - Messi

    This isn't really about goals tally or shot ratio. Messi is more calm-headed and precise in its finishing. See the first Liga Classico of this season, Ronaldo missed 2 clear chances; which if scored will have given Madrid the victory. Messi also got about the same number of chances but to be more efficient, he made the right passing/dribble so that those chances ended up as goals. There are many matches like that. Ronaldo gets too many chances that he doesn't convert into goals and this has been a constant issue whether in United or Madrid. Messi makes the better of his chances; even if they are at times, fewer.

    Better Natural Speed - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo's speed is exceptional. Even Bolt accepted it.

    Better Field-Analysis - Messi

    Field Analysis isn't only "Awereness" as you bracketed it grossly. Field Analysis and Mindset form an 'art' in football that we call teamplay. I did not add Mindset in my analysis becuase obviously, I can't know what's inside Messi/Ronaldo's head. Still, if we analyses both sense of teamplay, you clearly see Messi is better. Ronaldo makes great runs and effort to position himself. But not only Messi equals Ronaldo in that field, but Messi also knows when and where his teammates are situated than Ronaldo. Ronaldo has a little more individualistic approach. That's the reason, Messi surpasses him in this field. Videos can easily prove it.

    Better Physical Prowess - Ronaldo

    I think, this can easily be seen when you see both player's physical caliber itself.

    Better Control Skills - Messi


    Messi makes very small footsteps for ball control. Yes, this aid him considerably in his dribbling style. But even if I completely neglect the dribbling aspect in this field, that small footsteps of his helps him in control and enables him to quickly link up with passing, dribbling or shooting. Ronaldo's control style is very good but his long legs doesn't enables him to do the type of footsteps Messi does.

    CR7's physique gives him the advantage of having better heading and endurance prowess while the physique of Messi helps him in his control skills.

    Better PK/FK shooter - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo. The guy was a normal PK shooter but little by little, he improve in matches and under the tutelage of Sir Alex. He developed his own PK style and own FK style. Now, he is perfecting it. Messi is good but not up to that level in this field.

    Better 2-footed player - Messi

    Messi uses his left foot more while Ronaldo uses his right foot. But Messi is much better with his right foot than Ronaldo is with his left foot; thus making him more of a 2-footed player. I've been a fan of Ronaldo and scrutinized all his advantages as well as disadvantages thus in his United days mostly and still now, with Madrid.

    Better Defensive Skills - Ronaldo

    He doesn't drop by to help Madrid's defense too much since Madrid is a very offensive team. United's defense was a key part of their game in 2007-2010. When Ronaldo was here, he used to drop into defense rarely but SAF forced him to improve on that path and in his last season, he was exceptional with his defensive. Messi does that very very few. One because his physique doesn't permit him these too much in a match and secondly, since Barca has ball possession too much. In fact, even in Argentina, he does that very few times even if Argentina isn't a team reputed for their possession ball style. Sure, Ronaldo can improve much more in that field but he's better than Messi in that field.

    Otherwise, stats, praises and trophies tilt towards Messi's favor. Can't deny that. Besides, he dominated CR7 in 2009, 2010 & 2011. Even if I found CR7 to be better in 208 and 2012. Also, I find Ronaldo's performance better in National team.

    I'm voting for a tie.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    I feel Messi is better than CR7..both are awesome and the best currently..I just think messi is one step ahead though not by a large margin..and awesome analysis escorpiuus and relaxx...Loved it...D
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    I'm just copy-pasting some of my old post since I've debated on this topic countless times (ReLax can testify that fact for me)


    Better Dribbling Skills -Messi

    Well, Messi is better but I find Ronaldo's dribble to be very good. Both are very close on that point. Ronaldo's dribbles are more technique-based and more of eye candies while Messi's dribbles are much simpler but much more effective in one-on-one. Frankly, I like Ronaldo's dribbles more but in football, victory is what matter. And Messi's dribbles are more deadly.

    Better Shot Power - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo's shot power has been improved considerably ever since he came to United. Messi's shot have also improved in power and precision but Ronaldo's is much more raw in it.

    Better Passing ability - Messi

    It's far from a tie. Sure, Ronaldo's 1-2 with Ozil, Benzema or even Rooney are great but it isn't something he can repeat in every matches. Messi is in a formation where passing and possession is not a style but a culture. And his passing skills surpassed Ronaldo by far thanks to the constant tiki-taka at Barca. Moreover, his long passes and crosses also improved a lot.

    Better Heading ability - Ronaldo

    Messi is poor with his header due to his short height and Ronaldo became a key header player thanks to Alex Ferguson. It was the part he improved the most in 2008. He also doesn't suffer from lack of height. So, without a doubt, Ronaldo.

    Better Efficiency in front of goal - Messi

    This isn't really about goals tally or shot ratio. Messi is more calm-headed and precise in its finishing. See the first Liga Classico of this season, Ronaldo missed 2 clear chances; which if scored will have given Madrid the victory. Messi also got about the same number of chances but to be more efficient, he made the right passing/dribble so that those chances ended up as goals. There are many matches like that. Ronaldo gets too many chances that he doesn't convert into goals and this has been a constant issue whether in United or Madrid. Messi makes the better of his chances; even if they are at times, fewer.

    Better Natural Speed - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo's speed is exceptional. Even Bolt accepted it.

    Better Field-Analysis - Messi

    Field Analysis isn't only "Awereness" as you bracketed it grossly. Field Analysis and Mindset form an 'art' in football that we call teamplay. I did not add Mindset in my analysis becuase obviously, I can't know what's inside Messi/Ronaldo's head. Still, if we analyses both sense of teamplay, you clearly see Messi is better. Ronaldo makes great runs and effort to position himself. But not only Messi equals Ronaldo in that field, but Messi also knows when and where his teammates are situated than Ronaldo. Ronaldo has a little more individualistic approach. That's the reason, Messi surpasses him in this field. Videos can easily prove it.

    Better Physical Prowess - Ronaldo

    I think, this can easily be seen when you see both player's physical caliber itself.

    Better Control Skills - Messi


    Messi makes very small footsteps for ball control. Yes, this aid him considerably in his dribbling style. But even if I completely neglect the dribbling aspect in this field, that small footsteps of his helps him in control and enables him to quickly link up with passing, dribbling or shooting. Ronaldo's control style is very good but his long legs doesn't enables him to do the type of footsteps Messi does.

    CR7's physique gives him the advantage of having better heading and endurance prowess while the physique of Messi helps him in his control skills.

    Better PK/FK shooter - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo. The guy was a normal PK shooter but little by little, he improve in matches and under the tutelage of Sir Alex. He developed his own PK style and own FK style. Now, he is perfecting it. Messi is good but not up to that level in this field.

    Better 2-footed player - Messi

    Messi uses his left foot more while Ronaldo uses his right foot. But Messi is much better with his right foot than Ronaldo is with his left foot; thus making him more of a 2-footed player. I've been a fan of Ronaldo and scrutinized all his advantages as well as disadvantages thus in his United days mostly and still now, with Madrid.

    Better Defensive Skills - Ronaldo

    He doesn't drop by to help Madrid's defense too much since Madrid is a very offensive team. United's defense was a key part of their game in 2007-2010. When Ronaldo was here, he used to drop into defense rarely but SAF forced him to improve on that path and in his last season, he was exceptional with his defensive. Messi does that very very few. One because his physique doesn't permit him these too much in a match and secondly, since Barca has ball possession too much. In fact, even in Argentina, he does that very few times even if Argentina isn't a team reputed for their possession ball style. Sure, Ronaldo can improve much more in that field but he's better than Messi in that field.

    Otherwise, stats, praises and trophies tilt towards Messi's favor. Can't deny that. Besides, he dominated CR7 in 2009, 2010 & 2011. Even if I found CR7 to be better in 208 and 2012. Also, I find Ronaldo's performance better in National team.

    I'm voting for a tie.
    Mother of god

    Great analysis, the only parts I disagree with is ronaldo being a better FK taker than messi. I agree what Relax said about how ronaldo can fk from further distances but messi is more efficient in getting the ball on target.

    Also I disagree with them being tied because messi usually puts up better numbers and seems to have more leadership qualities.

    But we all have opinions and I respect yours. +rep
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

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    Great analysis, the only parts I disagree with is ronaldo being a better FK taker than messi. I agree what Relax said about how ronaldo can fk from further distances but messi is more efficient in getting the ball on target.

    Also I disagree with them being tied because messi usually puts up better numbers and seems to have more leadership qualities.

    But we all have opinions and I respect yours. +rep
    I am A big Madrid / CR7 fan ive respected Ronaldo since his Man U days but I cant say he is better then Messi and I cant say Messi is a better player then Ronaldo. Ronaldo and Messi are imo two different players due to the teams they play on. Ronaldo is more a Flair and flashy type player while messi is more of a get the job done player. Both amazing players hopefully when they both call it quits the messi and ronaldo haters will understand and appericate how good the players are other then comparing them to each other
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    enough said? all 3 goals in different fashion? :3

     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

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    Better Natural Speed - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo's speed is exceptional. Even Bolt accepted it.
    I agree, but remember Messi is the quickest with the ball between his feet, which is exceptional as we know he's the only person next to Maradona known to do that.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

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    Mother of god

    Great analysis, the only parts I disagree with is ronaldo being a better FK taker than messi. I agree what Relax said about how ronaldo can fk from further distances but messi is more efficient in getting the ball on target.

    Also I disagree with them being tied because messi usually puts up better numbers and seems to have more leadership qualities.

    But we all have opinions and I respect yours. +rep
    That's why I hate stats. They never tell the whole story. Messi, maybe hits the wall less on numbers but his free-kicks are shot with finesse and efficiency. Not that I don't like it - my favorite free-kick taker is Beckham. But his free-kick technique offers 4 options - goal, goal saved into corner, off-target, hit the wall. However, Messi doesn't really do indirect free-kicks or crossed-freekicks or powerbased free-kicks.

    Now to CR7. His style is very distinctive and something that he perfectioned over the years. Messi's FK-style is nothing unique and it's just the basic FK-shooting way. But here's what I like about CR7 - despite not being a indirect fk-taker, he turns out to be one "indirectly". In that case of Ronaldo, even if he doesn''t score, he still creates danger with his FKs. The ball has so much power into it that, even if the GK saved it or if it hits the wall, the ball might well end up in one of CR7's teammates' feet. In Messi's finesse shot, it's gonna take extremely bad goalkeeping to re-push to the box where danger is roaming. But Ronaldo's style creates imprevisibility and unsureness. No GK can be sure, how it might turns out. The ball may be onto the GK but he might still not save it.

    That's something stats doesn't say about Ronaldo's free-kick - how much danger does his free-kick actually creates! At the end of the day, free-kick are just a scoring opportunity for all teams. Ronaldo; maybe less efficient than Messi; but Ronaldo creates more scoring danger for his team on his FKs - whether individually or collectively. Ronaldo's shot power and FK style gives him so much options in his palette' much more than Messi. That' why CR7 is better than Messi on FK.

    And no Messi definitely don't have better leadership qualities. Ronaldo has made a team with Portugal thanks to his leadership and aura; despite Portugal consisting of sub-level players. Messi can't even do that in a team consisting of other world-class players like Tevez, Aguero, Di Maria ect...

    Thanks for the +Rep and if you like my and ReLax's wallies, then I welcome you to often comment on the General Football Debates thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReLax - View Post
    I agree, but remember Messi is the quickest with the ball between his feet, which is exceptional as we know he's the only person next to Maradona known to do that.
    I agree. That's why I said Messi got better Ball Control and Dribble skills.
     
         

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