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  • cr7

    4 25.00%
  • tie

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    I'm just copy-pasting some of my old post since I've debated on this topic countless times (ReLax can testify that fact for me)


    Better Dribbling Skills -Messi

    Well, Messi is better but I find Ronaldo's dribble to be very good. Both are very close on that point. Ronaldo's dribbles are more technique-based and more of eye candies while Messi's dribbles are much simpler but much more effective in one-on-one. Frankly, I like Ronaldo's dribbles more but in football, victory is what matter. And Messi's dribbles are more deadly.

    Better Shot Power - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo's shot power has been improved considerably ever since he came to United. Messi's shot have also improved in power and precision but Ronaldo's is much more raw in it.

    Better Passing ability - Messi

    It's far from a tie. Sure, Ronaldo's 1-2 with Ozil, Benzema or even Rooney are great but it isn't something he can repeat in every matches. Messi is in a formation where passing and possession is not a style but a culture. And his passing skills surpassed Ronaldo by far thanks to the constant tiki-taka at Barca. Moreover, his long passes and crosses also improved a lot.

    Better Heading ability - Ronaldo

    Messi is poor with his header due to his short height and Ronaldo became a key header player thanks to Alex Ferguson. It was the part he improved the most in 2008. He also doesn't suffer from lack of height. So, without a doubt, Ronaldo.

    Better Efficiency in front of goal - Messi

    This isn't really about goals tally or shot ratio. Messi is more calm-headed and precise in its finishing. See the first Liga Classico of this season, Ronaldo missed 2 clear chances; which if scored will have given Madrid the victory. Messi also got about the same number of chances but to be more efficient, he made the right passing/dribble so that those chances ended up as goals. There are many matches like that. Ronaldo gets too many chances that he doesn't convert into goals and this has been a constant issue whether in United or Madrid. Messi makes the better of his chances; even if they are at times, fewer.

    Better Natural Speed - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo's speed is exceptional. Even Bolt accepted it.

    Better Field-Analysis - Messi

    Field Analysis isn't only "Awereness" as you bracketed it grossly. Field Analysis and Mindset form an 'art' in football that we call teamplay. I did not add Mindset in my analysis becuase obviously, I can't know what's inside Messi/Ronaldo's head. Still, if we analyses both sense of teamplay, you clearly see Messi is better. Ronaldo makes great runs and effort to position himself. But not only Messi equals Ronaldo in that field, but Messi also knows when and where his teammates are situated than Ronaldo. Ronaldo has a little more individualistic approach. That's the reason, Messi surpasses him in this field. Videos can easily prove it.

    Better Physical Prowess - Ronaldo

    I think, this can easily be seen when you see both player's physical caliber itself.

    Better Control Skills - Messi


    Messi makes very small footsteps for ball control. Yes, this aid him considerably in his dribbling style. But even if I completely neglect the dribbling aspect in this field, that small footsteps of his helps him in control and enables him to quickly link up with passing, dribbling or shooting. Ronaldo's control style is very good but his long legs doesn't enables him to do the type of footsteps Messi does.

    CR7's physique gives him the advantage of having better heading and endurance prowess while the physique of Messi helps him in his control skills.

    Better PK/FK shooter - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo. The guy was a normal PK shooter but little by little, he improve in matches and under the tutelage of Sir Alex. He developed his own PK style and own FK style. Now, he is perfecting it. Messi is good but not up to that level in this field.

    Better 2-footed player - Messi

    Messi uses his left foot more while Ronaldo uses his right foot. But Messi is much better with his right foot than Ronaldo is with his left foot; thus making him more of a 2-footed player. I've been a fan of Ronaldo and scrutinized all his advantages as well as disadvantages thus in his United days mostly and still now, with Madrid.

    Better Defensive Skills - Ronaldo

    He doesn't drop by to help Madrid's defense too much since Madrid is a very offensive team. United's defense was a key part of their game in 2007-2010. When Ronaldo was here, he used to drop into defense rarely but SAF forced him to improve on that path and in his last season, he was exceptional with his defensive. Messi does that very very few. One because his physique doesn't permit him these too much in a match and secondly, since Barca has ball possession too much. In fact, even in Argentina, he does that very few times even if Argentina isn't a team reputed for their possession ball style. Sure, Ronaldo can improve much more in that field but he's better than Messi in that field.

    Otherwise, stats, praises and trophies tilt towards Messi's favor. Can't deny that. Besides, he dominated CR7 in 2009, 2010 & 2011. Even if I found CR7 to be better in 208 and 2012. Also, I find Ronaldo's performance better in National team.

    I'm voting for a tie.
    Mother of god

    Great analysis, the only parts I disagree with is ronaldo being a better FK taker than messi. I agree what Relax said about how ronaldo can fk from further distances but messi is more efficient in getting the ball on target.

    Also I disagree with them being tied because messi usually puts up better numbers and seems to have more leadership qualities.

    But we all have opinions and I respect yours. +rep
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

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    Mother of god

    Great analysis, the only parts I disagree with is ronaldo being a better FK taker than messi. I agree what Relax said about how ronaldo can fk from further distances but messi is more efficient in getting the ball on target.

    Also I disagree with them being tied because messi usually puts up better numbers and seems to have more leadership qualities.

    But we all have opinions and I respect yours. +rep
    I am A big Madrid / CR7 fan ive respected Ronaldo since his Man U days but I cant say he is better then Messi and I cant say Messi is a better player then Ronaldo. Ronaldo and Messi are imo two different players due to the teams they play on. Ronaldo is more a Flair and flashy type player while messi is more of a get the job done player. Both amazing players hopefully when they both call it quits the messi and ronaldo haters will understand and appericate how good the players are other then comparing them to each other
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    enough said? all 3 goals in different fashion? :3

     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    Better Natural Speed - Ronaldo

    Ronaldo's speed is exceptional. Even Bolt accepted it.
    I agree, but remember Messi is the quickest with the ball between his feet, which is exceptional as we know he's the only person next to Maradona known to do that.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mosgoved View Post
    Mother of god

    Great analysis, the only parts I disagree with is ronaldo being a better FK taker than messi. I agree what Relax said about how ronaldo can fk from further distances but messi is more efficient in getting the ball on target.

    Also I disagree with them being tied because messi usually puts up better numbers and seems to have more leadership qualities.

    But we all have opinions and I respect yours. +rep
    That's why I hate stats. They never tell the whole story. Messi, maybe hits the wall less on numbers but his free-kicks are shot with finesse and efficiency. Not that I don't like it - my favorite free-kick taker is Beckham. But his free-kick technique offers 4 options - goal, goal saved into corner, off-target, hit the wall. However, Messi doesn't really do indirect free-kicks or crossed-freekicks or powerbased free-kicks.

    Now to CR7. His style is very distinctive and something that he perfectioned over the years. Messi's FK-style is nothing unique and it's just the basic FK-shooting way. But here's what I like about CR7 - despite not being a indirect fk-taker, he turns out to be one "indirectly". In that case of Ronaldo, even if he doesn''t score, he still creates danger with his FKs. The ball has so much power into it that, even if the GK saved it or if it hits the wall, the ball might well end up in one of CR7's teammates' feet. In Messi's finesse shot, it's gonna take extremely bad goalkeeping to re-push to the box where danger is roaming. But Ronaldo's style creates imprevisibility and unsureness. No GK can be sure, how it might turns out. The ball may be onto the GK but he might still not save it.

    That's something stats doesn't say about Ronaldo's free-kick - how much danger does his free-kick actually creates! At the end of the day, free-kick are just a scoring opportunity for all teams. Ronaldo; maybe less efficient than Messi; but Ronaldo creates more scoring danger for his team on his FKs - whether individually or collectively. Ronaldo's shot power and FK style gives him so much options in his palette' much more than Messi. That' why CR7 is better than Messi on FK.

    And no Messi definitely don't have better leadership qualities. Ronaldo has made a team with Portugal thanks to his leadership and aura; despite Portugal consisting of sub-level players. Messi can't even do that in a team consisting of other world-class players like Tevez, Aguero, Di Maria ect...

    Thanks for the +Rep and if you like my and ReLax's wallies, then I welcome you to often comment on the General Football Debates thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReLax - View Post
    I agree, but remember Messi is the quickest with the ball between his feet, which is exceptional as we know he's the only person next to Maradona known to do that.
    I agree. That's why I said Messi got better Ball Control and Dribble skills.
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    stats mean shit. kaka had better stats than iniesta last season but he wasnt better. Anyway i dont care they are both amazing and i prefer ronaldo. We should be proud to be able to see both of these two play at the same time
     
         

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    Re: Why CR7 fans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    That's why I hate stats. They never tell the whole story. Messi, maybe hits the wall less on numbers but his free-kicks are shot with finesse and efficiency. Not that I don't like it - my favorite free-kick taker is Beckham. But his free-kick technique offers 4 options - goal, goal saved into corner, off-target, hit the wall. However, Messi doesn't really do indirect free-kicks or crossed-freekicks or powerbased free-kicks.

    Now to CR7. His style is very distinctive and something that he perfectioned over the years. Messi's FK-style is nothing unique and it's just the basic FK-shooting way. But here's what I like about CR7 - despite not being a indirect fk-taker, he turns out to be one "indirectly". In that case of Ronaldo, even if he doesn''t score, he still creates danger with his FKs. The ball has so much power into it that, even if the GK saved it or if it hits the wall, the ball might well end up in one of CR7's teammates' feet. In Messi's finesse shot, it's gonna take extremely bad goalkeeping to re-push to the box where danger is roaming. But Ronaldo's style creates imprevisibility and unsureness. No GK can be sure, how it might turns out. The ball may be onto the GK but he might still not save it.

    That's something stats doesn't say about Ronaldo's free-kick - how much danger does his free-kick actually creates! At the end of the day, free-kick are just a scoring opportunity for all teams. Ronaldo; maybe less efficient than Messi; but Ronaldo creates more scoring danger for his team on his FKs - whether individually or collectively. Ronaldo's shot power and FK style gives him so much options in his palette' much more than Messi. That' why CR7 is better than Messi on FK.

    And no Messi definitely don't have better leadership qualities. Ronaldo has made a team with Portugal thanks to his leadership and aura; despite Portugal consisting of sub-level players. Messi can't even do that in a team consisting of other world-class players like Tevez, Aguero, Di Maria ect...

    Thanks for the +Rep and if you like my and ReLax's wallies, then I welcome you to often comment on the General Football Debates thread.
    great explanation, you probably changed my mind on the leadership part but i still think messi is a better FK taker

    And yes i will be commented in that thread in the future:D
    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi Minato View Post
    stats mean shit. kaka had better stats than iniesta last season but he wasnt better. Anyway i dont care they are both amazing and i prefer ronaldo. We should be proud to be able to see both of these two play at the same time
    we all know they are beasts. this thread is just asking who do you think is better and to his fans that think he is >=messi to explain....thats all

    You see Escorps did a great job explaining why he thinks they are tied, even though i disagree he still backed up his opinion with great detail which i can respect
     
         

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