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    Re: DBZ is not that much stronger than all other animes (PROOF)

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    Ive come to the conclusion that dbz is simply not as "powerfuly scaled" as people think they are. IM going to go over several things right now and show everyone why this is it.

    The first thing people say is that the dbz guys can destroy planets. OK this is true but its not because their blast is powerful enough to destroy planets. The blasts themselves are extremely weak if you comapre it to say a tailed beast ball. The difference however is, the blasts are aimed for the core of the planet and are simply made so they dont explode when coming in contact with the earth. Here is the proof to this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3QXG...eature=related This video shows freiza trying to destroy earth with his energy ball but what happens is that it gets stopped by trunks. SO frieza shoots at his own ball and makes it explode. Now look at the crater it created. It was not nearly as big as the ones that tbbs create. In fact I would say that a 4 tailed Naruto could have beaten that crater with his tbb.

    Now lets move over to something else. SPEED Countless of times DBZ has been mentioned for being light speed but Im going to defunct this theory too. The only people that are light speed in dbz are Goku, Cell, kid buu, and cooler. This is because they have instant trasnmission which allows for quick light speed teleportation. No other characters have been shown to travel anywhere near light speed. Now lets look at a fight for example.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRZbZ7nB_k8 notice the speed in this fight, vegeta is in his majin state which is equal to ss2 but look at the speed, its simply no where near light speed and I have a feeling that Several Naruto characters would be able to keep up.

    Now lets look at something else. ENDURANCE

    Endurance is truthfully only a special feature of the villains and usually the dbz warriors arent able to take as much damage. Look at the broly fight. Broly destroyed everyone in one or two hits. Look at the Majin buu fights. Majin buu landed 3 or 4 hits on vegeta. look at the cell fight. Cell was able to take a full final attack and beat vegeta in mere blows. THe andriod saga proves the same

    NOW LETS NOT SAY THAT DBZ IS NOT THE STRONGEST ANIME, because it is. I would say that as soon as we get to the ssj3 era and beyond, that DBZ far surpasses all the other animes because a simple ss3 powerup rumbled the planet. Now lets also note that Krillin himself can probably stand foot with most people on Naruto but please stop saying krillin is anywhere near as invincible as Naruto characters and would get killed if he were to fight high caliber Naruto people. Also, one final note is that... No flaming, dbz is my favorite childhood anime, I do not want to get flamed
    You seriously dont't know what your writing about. From what you said you are a idiot, troll, and noob. read this fool:http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=243386
     
         

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    Re: DBZ is not that much stronger than all other animes (PROOF)

    Child, you've come to quite the laughable conclusion. But at least you know that the core has to be destroyed for planetary destruction.

    When you got to the endurance part, I realised that you just watched it. No though whatsoever beyond viewing it.
     
         

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    Re: DBZ is not that much stronger than all other animes (PROOF)

    I'm sorry bro but your reasoning is shit. Come back to me when a tailed beast ball destroys a planet ok?
    I mainly say this because of the endurance bit. Yea, Broly literally f'ed up all of the Z fighters in a short amount of time. What does that prove, not much, if he could do that to the Z fighters then he would shit on naruto characters lol.
     
         
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    Re: DBZ is not that much stronger than all other animes (PROOF)

    Alright excluding DBGT (All will agree that was utter shit and not cannon to DBZ in any means)

    DBZ power scale is incomparable to any other anime, without the aided abilities of outside forces (Mecha's, Tailed Beasts, Zanpaktou abilities) none can come close to the powers that any main fighting protagonist/antagonist can perform, Frieza without going to any transformation destroyed Planet Vegeta and several other beings in the process as well as absorbing Bardock's strongest attack, Broly with just a flick of his wrist destroyed a planet, Goku beat countless antagonists, hell this bastard died several times and just kept coming back.

    So in the end your theory is just nothing but dog shit in a burning bag and sadly.....all of us stepped on it just because we wanted to know what kind of lies you were spewing out of your fingers and mind.
     
         

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    Re: DBZ is not that much stronger than all other animes (PROOF)

    of course it isnt.
    JJBA, ah my goddess, yugioh, TTGL, slayers, digimon, pokemon, demonbane, noein, melancholy of haruhi, tenchi muyo, bastard!, project A-ko, saint seiya to name a few.

    broly's power shook a planet AT BIRTH
    movie only

    Endurance debunk: Ever watched an anime besides dbz where the characters could even move at 10 times the gravity of earth?
    yes.

    NOW LETS NOT SAY THAT DBZ IS NOT THE STRONGEST ANIME, because it is. I would say that as soon as we get to the ssj3 era and beyond, that DBZ far surpasses all the other animes because a simple ss3 powerup rumbled the planet
    sigh...tell me when a being in dbz starts throwing galaxies, controllign reality and time, destroying/rebuilding universes, creating dimensions or putting out asd much power as big bang
     
         

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    Re: DBZ is not that much stronger than all other animes (PROOF)

    Alright excluding DBGT (All will agree that was utter shit and not cannon to DBZ in any means)
    the title specified anime. sorry to say but gts an anime

    DBZ power scale is incomparable to any other anime, without the aided abilities of outside forces
    wrong. saint seiya, tenchi muyo, bastard all kick the motherfuking ass of dbz in a few seconds

    none can come close to the powers that any main fighting protagonist/antagonist can perform
    yes they can.
     
         

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    Re: DBZ is not that much stronger than all other animes (PROOF)

    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    the title specified anime. sorry to say but gts an anime
    So basically your saying all that happens inside of the Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and Fairy Tail's anime's are all cannon despite them being filler and don't follow the manga?

    Please provide proof of existence that Dragon Ball GT has a manga that was created by Akira Toriyama. If you ask any fan of DB/DBZ and they will tell you that GT is nothing but shit compared to DB & DBZ, and is not cannon. Saying GT is cannon is like saying AF is cannon -_-" and that shit is fan made.


    Quote Originally Posted by USSJ Future Trunks View Post
    wrong. saint seiya, tenchi muyo, bastard all kick the motherfuking ass of dbz in a few seconds

    yes they can.
    Seriously tell me what kind of shit are you smoking? Tell me whom of those series can stand up to Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, Trunks, Krillen, Tien, Bardock, Broly, Frieza, Dabora, Majin Buu, Super Buu, Kid Buu, Cell, 16, 17, 18, Radditz, Nappa, Nail, Goten any one of them, who in those series can fight on their level? Dragon Ball Z defined the line of Unnecessary

    Oh and as you so boldly put it "kick the motherfuking ass of dbz in a few seconds" Who can beat them in just a few seconds?
     
         

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    Re: DBZ is not that much stronger than all other animes (PROOF)

    So basically your saying all that happens inside of the Naruto, Bleach, One Piece and Fairy Tail's anime's are all cannon despite them being filler and don't follow the manga?
    canon or not is irrelevant as the title is referring to all anime


    Please provide proof of existence that Dragon Ball GT has a manga that was created by Akira Toriyama
    please provide proof an anime needs a manga to be considered canon. show me toriyama dismissing it as not part of his universe

    If you ask any fan of DB/DBZ and they will tell you that GT is nothing but shit compared to DB & DBZ, and is not cannon. Saying GT is cannon is like saying AF is cannon -_-" and that shit is fan made.
    so you think gt is fanmade? actually many fans enjoyed gt and the ideas. TORIYAMA loved gt. and ill post where he said this if you want. and gt was made by the same people who worked on the dbz anime. they were professionals. and gt sold well worldwide. it critically failed but who cares? it made money and still is.

    Seriously tell me what kind of shit are you smoking? Tell me whom of those series can stand up to Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, Trunks, Krillen, Tien, Bardock, Broly, Frieza, Dabora, Majin Buu, Super Buu, Kid Buu, Cell, 16, 17, 18, Radditz, Nappa, Nail, Goten any one of them, who in those series can fight on their level? Dragon Ball Z defined the line of Unnecessary
    tenchi muyo has a being who can do anything, is infinitely strong, infinitely smart, infinitely everything, everywhere and all knowing. then theres the guys below him who are easily gods on a multi universal level and can do jsut about anything including change reality or destroy universes with a pinky, or travle millions of times FTL.

    saint seiya: same thing. universal level gods who can summon power on par with that of the big bang.
    Background Information:

    A manga and anime by Masami Kurumada where a bunch of character names are taken from Greek myth for some reason. Known for massive feats including punching 100 times per second at the start of the series and breaking dimensions.

    Canon in the Saint Seiya verse is a bit hard to understand. Obviously the original manga is canon, as well as the sequel/prequel Next Dimension, and the prequel Episode G (though this is not universally agreed upon, yet the story of Episode G keeps continuity with the events of the original manga). The prequel Lost Canvas is generally considered to be non-canon (due to many irreconcilable contradictions with Next Dimension but it has some plot elements/hints about the original manga). The 5th movie was initially supposed to be canon and help continue the original manga's story, but it was disavowed by Kurumada, who started contradicting most of it with each passing chapter of Next Dimension.

    Standing in the Battledome:

    End of series Saint Seiya characters are easily stronger than the likes of Dragon Ball. The Gods of Saint Seiya are significantly above that level. Although some wankers would argue that again, despite lacking completely in feats, that the Gods of Saint Seiya could take on Galactus. Another favorite target of the Phenom Brigade, though, like always, their arguments amount to nothing.

    The Saints find diverse ways to exploit their Cosmo and apply it in a destructive form, down to the destruction of the atom itself. Coupled with the 7th and 8th senses, along with the Ougis. Saint Seiya verse truly makes a living hell out of any combatant that is not well prepared.

    Considering the speed of the verse, there is an upgrade that puts the Bronze Saints at massively FTL speeds.

    So you pretty much know that terms like speedblitz are out of question at this point.

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    Name: Gemini Saga
    Origin: Saint Seiya (original manga and Episode G)
    Gender: Male
    Classification: Gold Saint/Holy Pope
    Age: 28 (original manga) 21 (Episode G)
    Powers and Abilities: Skilled warrior, prediction by watching the stars, can adapt to techniques seen or suffered once, through Cosmo and the 7th sense has super strength, super speed, enhanced durability, telepathy (cross-dimensional level), telekinesis, illusion creation/dispelling, invisibility, space and dimension warping to redirect attacks or create recurring loops to trap opponents, can remotely animate his own Gold Cloth to make it fight with his whole abilities from afar, five sense removal, energy blasts (that can home in on the enemy from afar and different dimensions), forcefields, some resistance against destiny-changing attacks, generation of sunlight into attacks, higher senses to track people over long distances and through dimensions and compensate the loss of physical ones. When acquiring the 8th sense has total control of his soul and body in the realm of death allowing him to resurrect
    Weaknesses: His two personalities, good and evil, have clashed mid-battle, altering the outcome (doesn't apply to post-Sanctuary arc Saga)
    Destructive Capacity: Atomic destruction; dimensional/galaxy level+, his fist is more than enough to end a fight quickly
    Range: Multi-dimensional/Universal+
    Speed: Massively FTL+
    Durability: Multi star level+ with Gold Cloth, needs absolute zero to get frozen
    Strength: Class 100+ (accelerates super strong punches at the speed of light, can pierce a Gold Cloth)
    Stamina: Near limitless (Gold Saints are stated to be able to maintain fights with each other for 1000 days, was able to fight, even after receiving strong attacks from the Astral form of Cronus)
    Standard Equipment: Gemini Gold Cloth armor with its own Cosmo signature that regenerates minor damage on its own, absorbs sunlight and can fly to other dimensions and through galaxies to aid Saints. For many years he possessed a Golden Dagger capable of killing Gods even through non-physical bodies and regeneration
    Intelligence: Prodigy even compared to other Gold Saints and his own twin brother, impersonated the Pope of the Sanctuary for many years with minor suspicions among Saints, fulfilling diplomatic relations with several countries and manipulating wars and Gods behind the scenes. Also has shown high level illusion resistance and immunity ie repeatedly breaking Virgo Shaka's illusions easily as well as resisting Gemini Kanon's too. Originally the true candidate selected over Sagittarius Aiolos but was unhinged by split personality (potentially by a God; strongly hinted in the manga version) before the current Pope decided on Aiolos.

    Notable Attacks/Techniques:

    - Genrômaôken: Strikes the mind of his enemy with his Cosmo to brainwash it into servitude, also blocking memories at will even against Gods who try to access them. The victim of this technique falls into a murderous state after being hit by an enemy, until said enemy gets killed. Its effect could be removed by Saga himself or apparently by a powerful enough Cosmo attack. A weaker version of this technique is still able to paralyze the nervous system leaving the enemy wide open for attacks.

    - Another Dimension: Using his Cosmo to break spacetime, Saga opens another dimension that absorbs his enemies to trap them inside forever. It works on non-physical beings and can be used offensively by warping space through the enemy's body, cutting or warping them apart.

    - Galaxian Explosion: Saga's most powerful technique, with his Cosmo he creates an explosion or blast that at best has a power equal to the destruction of an entire galaxy (disputed, yet plausible given the setting, attacks from other Gold Saints and his attack power being complimented by Cronus). This attack can damage Saga if it is mishandled, it can be used as a suicide move and it can destroy non-physical beings.

    - Athena Exclamation: The strongest Gold Saint technique, it can only be performed by a trio of Gold Saints elevating their Cosmo to an extreme level at the same time into a single spot, emulating the Big Bang in a lesser scale.

    - One Bang Extreme: Saga punches his opponent so hard they either die or get a severe mental disability


    as for bastard! theres a guy who can create mini universes in his hand and is as big as a galaxy. DS himself is nearly unkillable due to magic unless you know how to destroy his non tangible forms
     
         

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    Re: DBZ is not that much stronger than all other animes (PROOF)

    Name: Satan
    Origin: Bastard!!
    Gender: Male
    Classification: Former Archangel and Seraph, Demon King
    Age: Hundreds of thousands of years old
    Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, durability, agility, stamina, time/space manipulation, ability to move in stopped time, needs to have his atoms destroyed on physical/spiritual/astral levels at once to be killed (Eternal Atoms), can kill others with Eternal Atoms, Dispel Bound - a number of a regenerating shields that block various effects/abilities, some knowledge on the powers of creation, size manipulation, regeneration (low godly), teleportation
    Weaknesses: None notable at the moment
    Destructive Capacity: At least galaxy level+, likely much higher (he created a mini universe in his hand casually while in base)
    Range: Galaxy level
    Speed: Massively FTL (casually blitzed a Seraphim class who are also FTL in base alone, likely higher)
    Durability: At least galaxy level+, likely much higher
    Strength: Class 100 (he can grow to the size of a Galaxy)
    Stamina: Superhuman, exact level unknown
    Standard Equipment: Nothing notable
    Intelligence: Has knowledge on the powers of creation, being the devil he's a manipulator by nature
    Notable Attacks/Techniques:
     
         

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