Itachi could defeat Non-Rinnegan Tobi/Obito??? Fuq out of here! OBITO Shits on him!!!

[nagato9]

as we all know, tobi cannot be touched by physical attacks but itachi is know for his genjutsu that surpasses everyone else's (except shisui from what we have heard). genjutsu isnt a physical attack so even if tobi makes himself un touchable, one look into itachi's eye and its all over.

[ianeustaquio]

**SIGH** Here we go again!



There seems to be a bit of confusion on if Itachi could defeat ToBI before he got the rinnegan... -__- really??? Itachi stood no chance at all! And im going to list facts on the situation since ppl dont read the manga!

Biggest misconception is: "Tobi was afraid of itachi, thats why he didnt attack the village".... Really? What Manga was anybody who believe this reading? Let me list the real FACTS FROM THE MANGA!

It was a pact/agreement/deal/understanding anything along those lines that they made! So STFU saying he was just scared of itachi and thats the reason why he didnt attack the Leaf.


And right here is where they made the deal from itachis own lips!!! But ppl still cant read i guess! smh


Then right here he says if he knew his secrets he would be dead. Thats the same for any ninja! If Chiyo them knew Sasoris secrets from the beginning they could of killed him. If Jman knew Pains secret he could of won. If Asuma Knew Hidan secret he could of been alive right now. We seen what happened when Sasuke figured out diedara uses Earth style, SHikamaru knew Hidans secret, Naruto knew Pains secret, Konan supposely knew Tobi's secret etc etc.

So STFU Little kids (i say Little kids because most kids under the age of 16 are the ones who seem to think this non-sense and cannot read the manga obviously). But im not down yet!

Now im going to go on the Battle aspect of the fight and how Tobi is just better! Im going to list how Tobi Counters everything Itachi has to offer!

Genjutsu:
This is the most easiest thing to counter! First off ima list what itachi himself STATED; http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/142/15 Right here is where he says some own with my blood (which obito is a full blooded Uchiha) so itachi would not even try to use a costful Jutsu on tobi (or Madara as he knows him to be). But more then that, Tobi would know what to expect and most likely know how to break it (disrupt your chakra like sasuke did). So in short Obito>>>>Genjutsu


Taijutsu:
Next we Have Taijutsu... Really? Tobi who can read movements from Might Guy Himself http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/596/11 whos is a better Taijutsu fighter then him btw. Not only that he was battling Naruto KM as well at the same damn time and winning! Plus the fact if Itachi gets to close and grabbed he is getting sucked up! GG Itachi! Obito FTW in this department!
Obito>>>>Taijutsu


Ninjutsu:
This is where things gets fun!!! Im going to highlight itachi's known "advantages":

Amateratsu:

As you can see it was a body wide hit from the attack! And he survived it at point blank range!!! Why the **** do ppl still think that attack would work when its manga proof that it would not!!!!
And when it doesn't work, itachi would feel the side effects like him and sasuke always feel after using the black flames they leave themselfs WIDE OPEN!!! Grabbing there eyes because of the pain.
Obito>>>>>>Amateratsu

With his Kamui the jutsu is as good as useless!

Susanoo:
Again with Kamui this is the most useless of itachis 3 techs! Itachi would never lay a hit on tobi! We all know susanoo has no defense from below:

And keep in mind Obito Knows everything about the sharinagn and any version it has to offer! He would know about everything Itachi is doing and how it works!

Totsuka Blade has to pierce to seal anything it wants.

And as we know with Kamui this will never in a million years happen!!!

So in short anything Itachi can do that would be major will be useless based off Manga facts!!!

If itachi gets in range Tobi unleashes giant projectiles from his Kamui Dimension:

But besides all the manga facts i provided Itachi was sick and TOBI KNEW IT!!! Itachi healthy looses, Itachi sick gets RAPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

P.S. If shit gets real Izanagi instantly solves that problem! And dont say "he has izanami to counter that" when izanami takes forever to set up and preform and Tobi knows about it and would know how to counter it!

Well,in the bold part,I think you're missing your own point.Tobi is battling Guy,yeah you're right.BUT he has already a rinnegan in there.So how the heck will he beat Itachi in terms of Taijutsu and Raw power.

Plus your thread lack of something.

INTELLIGENCE.Presenting a battle between 2 Uchihas requires good understanding of their own skill and their opponent's.
Who will outsmart who ? They know that they are battling with an Uchiha so it's no surprise that they know their opponent's jutsu very well.So Intelligence will play the biggest part in this battle.

Definitely Itachi wins in this part.Itachi is calm and well collected person.Judging from his past battles,he will not make a move without a plan.I'am not saying that Tobi is not smart,I'm just saying that Itachi is waaaay smarter than Tobi.

Your thread,as a whole,is good.
But I'am giving the crown to Itachi.

[AlexXx]

totsuka sword? b!tch please, tobi kamui the body part wich is about the be hit and say problem itachi?

the only problem for tobi is izanami

[synkross]

One of the best threads i've read in some time......good work but since this site is full of Itachi's Junk Buddies so you might not get the appreciation you deserve.
and i think some ppl have started underestimating Tobi as soon as it was revealed that it's Obito .....i think that they are forgetting that the Masked Man is the primary antagonist of the Naruto series and underestimating the main villain is the biggest shyt they can pull

note: don't get the wrong idea from the sig......i'm just appreciating his humbleness

[robert31393]

tobi made a deal with a 13 year old boy -___- that explains everything. the craziest thing about this deal is that tobi didnt benefit from this deal in anyway,itachi had gotten help for his massacre mission and a promise from tobi stating that he wont go after sasuke or the village. what did tobi get in this deal? literally nothing. so why would he make a deal that he wouldnt benefit from? its because he was scared of itachi. if tobi wasnt scared of itachi then he would of started the moon plan years ago. the fact that tobi waited until itachi dies to attack the leaf is proof enough. the people that are ignoring the manga just shows you are kamui fanboys

['Ray]

Itachi > Tobi because he have a Jutsu that will defeat Tobi , an Izanagi user.

and that's nothing more than Izanami

[BossManKakashi]

Op is an idiot who ignores facts and makes up rhetoric, oh and use the search bar troll this has been done plenty of times. For the record the difference between itachi and obito is the difference between heaven and earth. Obito dreams of being itachi or sasuke

[ChiefHermit]

(insert bullshit)
Taijutsu:
(....bullshit...)Plus the fact if Itachi gets to close and grabbed he is getting sucked up! GG Itachi! Obito FTW in this department!
Obito>>>>Taijutsu

(insert more bullshit)

the only thing people could say about itachi winning is full of 'buts' and 'If's'
obito is untouchable plus he has izanami and tsukyomi and amaterasu is rendered useless.

see that IF up there? lmao
ur if/but shiet goes same for tobi
lol @ all these assumptions by serious narutards
and nope, itachi takes this
itachi = boot
tobi = ant
so fuq out of here

[sunnex]

No need to be confused or argue over this simply issue. It obvious that tobi will defeat itachi. Like the OP said every itachi attack will slip through and tobi is faster and probably smater(battle term)

[Vin Thora]

You cant beat what you cant touch. Its as simple as that really.

[Helikido]

**SIGH** Here we go again!



There seems to be a bit of confusion on if Itachi could defeat ToBI before he got the rinnegan... -__- really??? Itachi stood no chance at all! And im going to list facts on the situation since ppl dont read the manga!

Biggest misconception is: "Tobi was afraid of itachi, thats why he didnt attack the village".... Really? What Manga was anybody who believe this reading? Let me list the real FACTS FROM THE MANGA!

It was a pact/agreement/deal/understanding anything along those lines that they made! So STFU saying he was just scared of itachi and thats the reason why he didnt attack the Leaf.


And right here is where they made the deal from itachis own lips!!! But ppl still cant read i guess! smh


Then right here he says if he knew his secrets he would be dead. Thats the same for any ninja! If Chiyo them knew Sasoris secrets from the beginning they could of killed him. If Jman knew Pains secret he could of won. If Asuma Knew Hidan secret he could of been alive right now. We seen what happened when Sasuke figured out diedara uses Earth style, SHikamaru knew Hidans secret, Naruto knew Pains secret, Konan supposely knew Tobi's secret etc etc.

So STFU Little kids (i say Little kids because most kids under the age of 16 are the ones who seem to think this non-sense and cannot read the manga obviously). But im not down yet!

Now im going to go on the Battle aspect of the fight and how Tobi is just better! Im going to list how Tobi Counters everything Itachi has to offer!

Genjutsu:
This is the most easiest thing to counter! First off ima list what itachi himself STATED; http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/142/15 Right here is where he says some own with my blood (which obito is a full blooded Uchiha) so itachi would not even try to use a costful Jutsu on tobi (or Madara as he knows him to be). But more then that, Tobi would know what to expect and most likely know how to break it (disrupt your chakra like sasuke did). So in short Obito>>>>Genjutsu


Taijutsu:
Next we Have Taijutsu... Really? Tobi who can read movements from Might Guy Himself http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/596/11 whos is a better Taijutsu fighter then him btw. Not only that he was battling Naruto KM as well at the same damn time and winning! Plus the fact if Itachi gets to close and grabbed he is getting sucked up! GG Itachi! Obito FTW in this department!
Obito>>>>Taijutsu


Ninjutsu:
This is where things gets fun!!! Im going to highlight itachi's known "advantages":

Amateratsu:

As you can see it was a body wide hit from the attack! And he survived it at point blank range!!! Why the **** do ppl still think that attack would work when its manga proof that it would not!!!!
And when it doesn't work, itachi would feel the side effects like him and sasuke always feel after using the black flames they leave themselfs WIDE OPEN!!! Grabbing there eyes because of the pain.
Obito>>>>>>Amateratsu

With his Kamui the jutsu is as good as useless!

Susanoo:
Again with Kamui this is the most useless of itachis 3 techs! Itachi would never lay a hit on tobi! We all know susanoo has no defense from below:

And keep in mind Obito Knows everything about the sharinagn and any version it has to offer! He would know about everything Itachi is doing and how it works!

Totsuka Blade has to pierce to seal anything it wants.

And as we know with Kamui this will never in a million years happen!!!

So in short anything Itachi can do that would be major will be useless based off Manga facts!!!

If itachi gets in range Tobi unleashes giant projectiles from his Kamui Dimension:

But besides all the manga facts i provided Itachi was sick and TOBI KNEW IT!!! Itachi healthy looses, Itachi sick gets RAPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

P.S. If shit gets real Izanagi instantly solves that problem! And dont say "he has izanami to counter that" when izanami takes forever to set up and preform and Tobi knows about it and would know how to counter it!

Its you again huh? First of all itachi being an eyesore means something...which is tobi not being able to do anything to the leaf without getting his ass kicked...

Second of all.....Izanami would put a stop to a power hungry uchiha...And it has no counters so don't take shit out of your ass and try to make it a fact...

There is were you thread fails....

[DELTA704]

Itachi beats 3 tome Tobi any day.
At the time of Obito's "death" his intelligence level was 1. Ok well he obviously matured alot between the time of the incident and the attack. Lets be nice and give him a 3.5 for intelligence.
Now lets look at Minato vs Tobi. Minato was able to identify and counter Tobi's S/T ninjutsu very quickly.
If I am correct Itachi was the Captain of the Anbu Black Ops by that point. His intelligence is probably at least a 4 if not 5.

Now you are putting Itachi in a senerio where he has no intelligence. I can tell u right now Itachi is NOT going to use any MS abilities. Itachi is going to out smart Tobi every single time.
Example: Itachi throws kunai at Tobi... It goes straight through. He creates diversion and moves in with crow clone. Tobi starts to suck crow clone in. Whatever. He knows he becomes tangible at that point. Itachi leaves exploding clone out in the open. Tobi comes up behind exploding clone grabs it and game over.

This is all without genjutsu. Im pretty sure Itachi has powerful enough regular genjutsu that he could destroy Tobi too.

[Shikamaru1994]

Honestly without the rinnengan, Tobi can't really do much against Itachi except switch dimensions. I think this would be a pointless battle because Itachi does have stronger techniques, whereas Tobi has intangibility which causes the battle to go on forever. Furthermore, Itachi wouldn't be so stupid as to let Tobi grab him and switch dimensions. Then there's also the point of Itachi using susanoo rib cage, which wouldn't let Tobi grab him. Although it consumes large amounts of chakra, if tobi does end up becoming tangible, all itachi needs to do is look into his eyes and it's game over. Itachi's genjutsu is probably the strongest in the ENTIRE series if you count KA on his side, whereas Tobi's is nowhere near his level.

Furthermore, Izanagi is useless against Izanami.

But, as I said before, this battle is useless. Tobi is just going to stay in his other dimension and itachi is just going to wait for the moment to attack. Boring ass fight if you ask me. Itachi won't attack him head on because he is only fast enough to dodge, not like the 4th who is able to out-speed him.

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Obito wins 9/10

1. Itachi does not have a S/T tech.

2. All Tobi has to do is stay intangible, get behind Itachi, and warp him. Itachi does not have a S/T tech or speed feats to avoid this so he loses.

[abdul4majid]

Go sh*t!

['Ray]

Obito wins 9/10

1. Itachi does not have a S/T tech.

2. All Tobi has to do is stay intangible, get behind Itachi, and warp him. Itachi does not have a S/T tech or speed feats to avoid this so he loses.

LOL you make it sound Very easy.

Izanami was made for Izanagi users.

If obito wasn't afraid , He would've Killed Itachi from the beginning.

I Don't need to say more.

[DELTA704]

Obito wins 9/10

1. Itachi does not have a S/T tech.

2. All Tobi has to do is stay intangible, get behind Itachi, and warp him. Itachi does not have a S/T tech or speed feats to avoid this so he loses.

Exploding clone... Game over as soon as Tobi become tangible.

You all think the S/T jutsu is so great. Every jutsu has a weakness and in this case it is intelligence. Itachi is a 5 in intelligence...

[dasoulja]

I hate the fact that everybody is riding obito to beat itachi. It is a no brainer, itachi by land slide. Obito dosen't deserve to wear the rinnegan. He is Madara's little stooge. Itachi analyzes and destroys 3 tomoe obito. The real question is how will Sasuke ETS fair against rinnegan Obito?

[Rike Senju]

LOL you make it sound Very easy.

Izanami was made for Izanagi users.

If obito wasn't afraid , He would've Killed Itachi from the beginning.

I Don't need to say more.

LoL if you think itachi would be able to pull off izanami against obito..ever since it was revealed tobi=obito there's so many obito haters

[Critique]

Read the title, I wish I could tell you to stfu in person. Not because it's right or wrong, but because of your poor diction.

[doubledude]

-Sorry bro,pls exlpain how Itachi will deal with 5min of invunarability.He can use his Susano'o for a short time,his tsukuyomi wont work on Tobi(probably,not 100% :D).The only better thing that he has is his Intelligence.

-Btw keep in mind that Obito isn't using his Rinnegan against Naruto so actually that's his Non-Rinnegan level lol

[lol99]

O.o can't believe some people are so angry they are throwing insults at OP

[Draegod]

One of the best threads i've read in some time......good work but since this site is full of Itachi's Junk Buddies so you might not get the appreciation you deserve.
and i think some ppl have started underestimating Tobi as soon as it was revealed that it's Obito .....i think that they are forgetting that the Masked Man is the primary antagonist of the Naruto series and underestimating the main villain is the biggest shyt they can pull

note: don't get the wrong idea from the sig......i'm just appreciating his humbleness

Exactly! Like i said, there are to many clueless Noobs on this site! Its ridiculous!

Agree with the OP 100%...

Tobi wasn't or will never be afraid to fight Itachi or any other member of Akatsuki. This has been shown as he was so confident to take on Kabuto even with the presence of the 5 strongest members of Akatsuki in front of him. This of course includes Edo-Itachi, Edo-Nagato, blah.. blah.. & so forth.. The fact that Tobi decided not to pursue on invading Konoha when Itachi was stil alive, doesn't necessarily mean or prove anything that he was intimidated by Itachi's power. There were reasons why he intends not to attack the village because:
1.) It was part of their arrangements, or as long as Itachi performs his tasks as an Akatsuki, their agreements were still honored.
2.) He wanted Itachi to die at Sasuke’s hand so he could manipulate Sasuke on his own way.
3.) Itachi joined Akatsuki in order to keep an eye on the organization. Thus, it could deteriorate most of Tobi's plan because Itachi could provide ample intel's to the rest of the villages about the Akatsuki's doings, goals & purposes, strategy, member's strengths & weaknesses or their jutsu's & capabilities.

Furthermore, Tobi seemed to be one-step ahead against Itachi. He knew the truth about him, the reasons why he wanted to die at Sasuke's hand, his real purpose of joining Akatsuki, & fooled him by letting him believed he was Uchiha Madara. Also, Itachi's plan for Sasuke failed only because of Tobi's intervention.

Hitherto, it was never stated in the manga that Tobi wished to kill or fight Itachi. However, one of Itachi's main goals is to kill Tobi. He even planted amaterasu in to Sasuke's eyes hoping it will eventually kill him.

So my conclusion, pre-rinnegan Tobi > ms Itachi. Itachi even believed that Tobi (a.k.a. Uchiha Madara during that time) was invincible & immortal. If he could actually kill him, he must have accomplished that a long time ago.

OT: People underestimates Tobi’s S/T often times. To every battle we’ve seen him fighting, he never had the intention to kill. His plan is to capture or warp them in to his dimension & perhaps gain control of them through genjutsu as we witnessed what happened to Fu & Torune. Even when he fought Konan, he could not kill him first because he wanted to know Nagato’s whereabouts. Imagine what will happen if he goes for instant kill, he could aim for their heart. Thus, making his S/T a “one-shot jutsu”!

Edo-Itachi will shit on him since he will be granted with unlimited chakra & undying body, but alive-Itachi will be defeated 8 out of 10. But of course since Itachi is so much love in this site, many people will deny this matter over & over again!

We can list manga facts for days but they will never accept them because itachi is God to them.

This site should've been named Itachibase.net

There is no way in hell Tobi will fear Itachi/Nagato as the manga clearly stated that he is so confident to take on KabutoMaru even in front of the 5 strongest members of Akatsuki. It was never stated in the manga that Tobi want to kill / fight Itachi, However, it was very obvious that Itachi wished Tobi to die. There was an agreement between the two that's why Tobi left Konoha "off limits' while Itachi supports Akatsuki's goal by requiring his chakra to unseal the tailed beast to their host & contained the same to the gedo-mazou. All Tobi wanted was Itachi to die at the hands of Sasuke so he could easily manipulate him. Tobi uses Akatsuki for his advantage & not the other way around. Tobi will never be outsmarted by Itachi, or he would have done that a long time ago. Last time I checked, it was Tobi who clearly outsmarted Itachi by deceiving him that he was the invincible Madara.

Seems that common sense isn't so common nowadays. *Sigh*
Pre-rinnegan Tobi > Itachi, or were totally reading different naruto manga to begin with!

You see why i call them noobs? They cant read and ignore the manga and accept what they want to accept which is bullshit.

[AmaniPaz]

Bro, you further proved that Tobi is afraid of Itachi with your example...

[Draegod]

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