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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

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    Nice thread but i still dont know.
    Itachi being afraid of Naruto instead of Jiraiya is very unlikely to me.
    When naruto started leaking the fox chackra, kisame just absorbed it with his sword (forget the name), so there was no reason to be scared of Naruto.
    This was not Kuybi. this was kuybis chakra. They were afraid of the real fox coming out.
    Second, i wonder if Itachi would really be able to stand a chance against sage mode Jiraiya, you say Itachi has him on speed, but sage mode also makes you a hell of allot faster, so i would say things would be pretty evened out in the speed department.
    And susanoo gives the edge to Itachi.
    Last, Jiraiya's frog genjutsu,
    Here i also wonder if Itachi would be able to counter it.
    As far as i understand it requires sage chakra to even perform the jutsu and since Itachi doesnt know how to use it, i highly doubt he would be able to copy it, let alone counter.
    No. Kurenai also used a genjutsu tht Itachi managed to counter not only avoid it. Kurenai is the best genjutsu user in Konoha.
    I guess it all depends on who goes allout first.
    And it's becuz of this that i say Jiraiya would win.
    Jiraiya isnt the type of shinobi that plays around b4 getting serious, where as Itachi is more likely to do so, becuz of the arrogance that comes with having something as powerfull as the sharingan.

    Yes, if itachi uses Sasuno'o Jiraiya is a dead man walking, same thing with Amateratsu, but since these are itachi's trumph cards, i dont think he would get around to use them, when Jiraiya goes all out right from the start, something that he would have deffinatly done against someone as powerfull as Itachi.
    LOL... Its the opposite of what you have said. Itachi strikes first and powerful while Jiraya wants to play around.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    They were afraid of Kuybi.



    Such a nice personal attack that make the curtain feel smart. What a shame humuliating yourself. You cannot read or you cannot undertand. They were afraid of Naruto. But because Itachi had mangekuy they decided that they could hadle the fox. But Itachi admited exhaustion. So they retreated because itachi would not have been able to tame the fox.


    As it was already said, Kisame was able to absorb Fox's chakra. And referring to your psot above, Fox is made fully of chakra and do you really think they hd no idea of seal? :o Moreover, arrogant, do you really think Itachi is so stupid that he didn't know his limits? Like let's go capture fox, oh no, i am tired cuz of Amaterasu, let's retreat. Kisame said that they knew that GIrl genjutsu will very unlikely work against Jiraya so they had to expect him to interfere and thus itachi to use Mangekyo But no, they did a very stupid action. And yeah, of course they didnt expect Jiraya to use a High level toad mouth jutsu of something like that >.<

    So lol, obviously yeah, also, I've seen many different translations by certain individuals who reveal us the "truth" I wonder, why do big translation groups fool us so often? Maybe they don't ? Maybe there are the certain translators who want us to believe something by unsignificantly changing the facts using the faxt that the rest doesn't speak japanese? O_o
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Curtain Messiah View Post
    As it was already said, Kisame was able to absorb Fox's chakra. And referring to your psot above, Fox is made fully of chakra and do you really think they hd no idea of seal? :o Moreover, arrogant, do you really think Itachi is so stupid that he didn't know his limits? Like let's go capture fox, oh no, i am tired cuz of Amaterasu, let's retreat. Kisame said that they knew that GIrl genjutsu will very unlikely work against Jiraya so they had to expect him to interfere and thus itachi to use Mangekyo But no, they did a very stupid action. And yeah, of course they didnt expect Jiraya to use a High level toad mouth jutsu of something like that >.<

    So lol, obviously yeah, also, I've seen many different translations by certain individuals who reveal us the "truth" I wonder, why do big translation groups fool us so often? Maybe they don't ? Maybe there are the certain translators who want us to believe something by unsignificantly changing the facts using the faxt that the rest doesn't speak japanese? O_o
    I am not going to respond to this flamebait. In fact you are reported as i say in the first part. If you want to know the answer read my previous posts and you will understand.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    This was not Kuybi. this was kuybis chakra. They were afraid of the real fox coming out.

    And susanoo gives the edge to Itachi.

    No. Kurenai also used a genjutsu tht Itachi managed to counter not only avoid it. Kurenai is the best genjutsu user in Konoha.

    LOL... Its the opposite of what you have said. Itachi strikes first and powerful while Jiraya wants to play around.
    Hmm i still dont know, dealing with Naruto without the kyuubi chakra would have been like taking icecream from a 5 year old.
    So why risk letting the Kyuubi come out, when they could have just smacked him upside the head and be done with it.
    Cutting of he legs was just a scare tactic imo, but since Jiraiya stepped in we can never know if they would have done it.

    I aree Sasuno'o PWNS, but Itachi would have used it as a last resort and when you are facing someone like Jiraiya you dont go standing around gathering chackra for it.

    Kurenai is the most frequent Genjutsu user, but no way in hell she can pull of something more powerfull then the frog genjutsu, and like i said, Itachi cant use sage chakra so he wouldnt be able to copy or counter it.

    And Jiraiya might be a character that gives us the comical relieve from time to time, but when in a fight he gets straight to bizniz, against itachi he went straight for the frog belly jutsu, one of his most powerfull justu's.
    Also against Pein, when he realized he couldnt get anymore info, he went into sage mode and stabbed 3 of them mofo's wiithout remorse.
    so Jiraiya is not the type to play around, where as Itachi is more likely to do so, he could have killed Kakashi but deceided to play around with him.

    So if you look at power allone then Yes Itachi would win, but you have to take in account the type of shinobi your talking about and there experiance, something Jiraiya has 30 some years more of then Itachi.

    All in all JIRAIYA FTW!!!!!!!
     
         
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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    So if you look at power allone then Yes Itachi would win, but you have to take in account the type of shinobi your talking about and there experiance, something Jiraiya has 30 some years more of then Itachi.

    I don't think experience counts though. Itachi's beat MANY people more than twice his age - The entire Uchiha clan, his own Dad, Orochimaru. I don't think age / experience counts as a factor especially if a 14-yr old Itachi can wipe out a whole clan and join Akatsuki and chop off Orochimaru's arm.

    Edit: Guys, relax. -________-; No personal attacks, it's just a debate.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Keep discussing this topic without personal attacks please
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

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    Hmm i still dont know, dealing with Naruto without the kyuubi chakra would have been like taking icecream from a 5 year old.
    So why risk letting the Kyuubi come out, when they could have just smacked him upside the head and be done with it.
    Cutting of he legs was just a scare tactic imo, but since Jiraiya stepped in we can never know if they would have done it.
    Obviously Kisame was joking. There was now way they would have done something to anger Naruto. If they smacked Naruto and somehow Naruto dodged or avoided then surely he would be very angry which means that the Kuybi would get out. This can be easily understanded from the fact that Kisame did not cut the legs of the other guy he caught. So even if kuybi was let out, Itachi was there with his mangekuy.
    I aree Sasuno'o PWNS, but Itachi would have used it as a last resort and when you are facing someone like Jiraiya you dont go standing around gathering chackra for it.
    Excuse me? Itachi would have used it when he would think it was the time to use it. Be it the start or in the end, you do not know.
    Kurenai is the most frequent Genjutsu user, but no way in hell she can pull of something more powerfull then the frog genjutsu, and like i said, Itachi cant use sage chakra so he wouldnt be able to copy or counter it.
    You dont have to use sage chakra in order to counter the jutsu.
    And Jiraiya might be a character that gives us the comical relieve from time to time, but when in a fight he gets straight to bizniz, against itachi he went straight for the frog belly jutsu, one of his most powerfull justu's.
    Also against Pein, when he realized he couldnt get anymore info, he went into sage mode and stabbed 3 of them mofo's wiithout remorse.
    so Jiraiya is not the type to play around, where as Itachi is more likely to do so, he could have killed Kakashi but deceided to play around with him.
    he decided to play around with him because there were allies. Do you want example? Itachi raping Orochimaru two times in three seconds. That is what happens when Itachi gets serious. LOL... I just disproved this argument, too.
    So if you look at power allone then Yes Itachi would win, but you have to take in account the type of shinobi your talking about and there experiance, something Jiraiya has 30 some years more of then Itachi.
    Itachi was a better genious than Jiraya.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade87 View Post
    Hmm i still dont know, dealing with Naruto without the kyuubi chakra would have been like taking icecream from a 5 year old.
    So why risk letting the Kyuubi come out, when they could have just smacked him upside the head and be done with it.
    Cutting of he legs was just a scare tactic imo, but since Jiraiya stepped in we can never know if they would have done it.

    I aree Sasuno'o PWNS, but Itachi would have used it as a last resort and when you are facing someone like Jiraiya you dont go standing around gathering chackra for it.

    Kurenai is the most frequent Genjutsu user, but no way in hell she can pull of something more powerfull then the frog genjutsu, and like i said, Itachi cant use sage chakra so he wouldnt be able to copy or counter it.

    And Jiraiya might be a character that gives us the comical relieve from time to time, but when in a fight he gets straight to bizniz, against itachi he went straight for the frog belly jutsu, one of his most powerfull justu's.
    Also against Pein, when he realized he couldnt get anymore info, he went into sage mode and stabbed 3 of them mofo's wiithout remorse.
    so Jiraiya is not the type to play around, where as Itachi is more likely to do so, he could have killed Kakashi but deceided to play around with him.

    So if you look at power allone then Yes Itachi would win, but you have to take in account the type of shinobi your talking about and there experiance, something Jiraiya has 30 some years more of then Itachi.

    All in all JIRAIYA FTW!!!!!!!

    You're right about the expirience and about taking all the powers together.

    the first who unleashes his trump cards wins. I mean frog song and Susano'o.

    As I have no idea how will amaterasu and Tsykuomi work against Jiraya, but if they do, J-man's fuked ;/

    Moreover, J-man needs some time to enter sage mode, as we have seen from his fight vs Pein. Amaterasu, However, can be shot almost in an instant.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Curtain Messiah View Post
    You're right about the expirience and about taking all the powers together.

    the first who unleashes his trump cards wins. I mean frog song and Susano'o.

    As I have no idea how will amaterasu and Tsykuomi work against Jiraya, but if they do, J-man's fuked ;/

    Moreover, J-man needs some time to enter sage mode, as we have seen from his fight vs Pein. Amaterasu, However, can be shot almost in an instant.
    The toad song needs some time to be used too.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    The toad song needs some time to be used too.
    yeah that's why I think J-man will 90% lose.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    i dont think tht it would be a easy battle.duno.
    the thing is you can never really say who would win, because, well itachi was incredibly strong, but jiriaya was to, n he fought in the ninja war, so my guess is he was very experienced.

    n as for the genjutsu thing, he could use pa and ma frog like when he fought pain

    i'm not saying jiriaya would win.

    n i mean, you could argue tht itachi didnt wnt to go against jiriaya because he didnt wish to harm anyone. Look at all his in counters with the leaf (eg kakashi) he used genjutsu, whn he could have taken kakashi down easily.
    And in shippuuden when kakashi n naruto both fight itachi, he doesnt really fight back...because he is a good Guy

    Im just saying it could go either way, depending on the conditions!!
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade87 View Post


    Itachi was a better genious than Jiraya.

    Jiraya never was a genious......he was like naruto.....but strong
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    Obviously Kisame was joking. There was now way they would have done something to anger Naruto. If they smacked Naruto and somehow Naruto dodged or avoided then surely he would be very angry which means that the Kuybi would get out. This can be easily understanded from the fact that Kisame did not cut the legs of the other guy he caught. So even if kuybi was let out, Itachi was there with his mangekuy.

    Excuse me? Itachi would have used it when he would think it was the time to use it. Be it the start or in the end, you do not know.

    You dont have to use sage chakra in order to counter the jutsu.

    he decided to play around with him because there were allies. Do you want example? Itachi raping Orochimaru two times in three seconds. That is what happens when Itachi gets serious. LOL... I just disproved this argument, too.

    Itachi was a better genious than Jiraya.
    huhh, just smacking naruto would let the kyuubi come out???
    I think it takes allot more then a smack to let the kyuubi come out, and even if it did a second time, the moment naruto starts leaking kyuubi chackra, Kisame's sword would just absorbe it.
    And naruto dodging a attack from Kisame or Itachi just wasnt gonna happen, like i said, "taking icecream from a 5 year old"

    Do you really think Itachi would use something as dangerous as Sasuno'o right from the start or when he had other options left?
    I'm sorry but that's just silly, he was one of the best shinobi out there, and good shinobi's dont use there ultimate justsu when they have other options left.

    On the Genjutsu, after some thought, well maybe he would be able to cancel it, but no way he could counter it.
    The counter genjutsu, relies on the sharingan to see and copy the way chackra is formed and used, but since Itachi doesnt have 2 frogs sitting on his shoulder, performing the jutsu would simply be impossible.

    And lol, Itachi did rape Orochimaru :D
    But he was already using Sasuno'o and already being serious.
    So like i said, Itachi using Sasuno'o would have been his last option, and i just dont think he would have gotten around to it with someone like Jiraiya as his opponent.

    True Itachi was a better genious, but 53 years of being a genious against 21, is to big of a difference to be left out in this equation.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade87 View Post
    huhh, just smacking naruto would let the kyuubi come out???
    I think it takes allot more then a smack to let the kyuubi come out, and even if it did a second time, the moment naruto starts leaking kyuubi chackra, Kisame's sword would just absorbe it.
    And naruto dodging a attack from Kisame or Itachi just wasnt gonna happen, like i said, "taking icecream from a 5 year old"

    Do you really think Itachi would use something as dangerous as Sasuno'o right from the start or when he had other options left?
    I'm sorry but that's just silly, he was one of the best shinobi out there, and good shinobi's dont use there ultimate justsu when they have other options left.

    On the Genjutsu, after some thought, well maybe he would be able to cancel it, but no way he could counter it.
    The counter genjutsu, relies on the sharingan to see and copy the way chackra is formed and used, but since Itachi doesnt have 2 frogs sitting on his shoulder, performing the jutsu would simply be impossible.

    And lol, Itachi did rape Orochimaru :D
    But he was already using Sasuno'o and already being serious.
    So like i said, Itachi using Sasuno'o would have been his last option, and i just dont think he would have gotten around to it with someone like Jiraiya as his opponent.

    True Itachi was a better genious, but 53 years of being a genious against 21, is to big of a difference to be left out in this equation.
    agreed!
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

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    huhh, just smacking naruto would let the kyuubi come out???
    I think it takes allot more then a smack to let the kyuubi come out, and even if it did a second time, the moment naruto starts leaking kyuubi chackra, Kisame's sword would just absorbe it.
    And naruto dodging a attack from Kisame or Itachi just wasnt gonna happen, like i said, "taking icecream from a 5 year old"
    Something that proves my initial point.
    Do you really think Itachi would use something as dangerous as Sasuno'o right from the start or when he had other options left?
    I'm sorry but that's just silly, he was one of the best shinobi out there, and good shinobi's dont use there ultimate justsu when they have other options left.
    So Jirya would use his best jutsu from the start but Itachi who is th better ninja would not and would lose. Contradiction to say the least. False comment if you want.
    On the Genjutsu, after some thought, well maybe he would be able to cancel it, but no way he could counter it.
    The counter genjutsu, relies on the sharingan to see and copy the way chackra is formed and used, but since Itachi doesnt have 2 frogs sitting on his shoulder, performing the jutsu would simply be impossible.
    Blocking it would be enough.
    And lol, Itachi did rape Orochimaru :D
    But he was already using Sasuno'o and already being serious.
    So like i said, Itachi using Sasuno'o would have been his last option, and i just dont think he would have gotten around to it with someone like Jiraiya as his opponent.
    Itachi raped Orochimaru the first time without getting to Susanoo.
    True Itachi was a better genious, but 53 years of being a genious against 21, is to big of a difference to be left out in this equation.
    Itachi has 5 in intelligence. This closes the gap of experience.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by peaceful View Post
    Something that proves my initial point.
    ok so we agree, Itachi and kisame werent scared of the kyuubi cuz it wouldn't have come out in the first place, leaving the point of who they were scared of still open

    So Jirya would use his best jutsu from the start but Itachi who is th better ninja would not and would lose. Contradiction to say the least. False comment if you want.
    Well yes, Jiraiya went straight to bizniz when he fought Itachi and Kisame,
    I'm not saying Itachi wouldnt be serious against Jiraiya, I just think his arrogance would let him hold back at first, which would give Jiraiya the opper hand.
    So no doubt he would use his stronger jutsu but not Sasuno'o.

    Blocking it would be enough.
    agreed, it would be enough, but i still wonder if he would be able to do it.
    After some more thought, the frog genjutsu doenst even rely on chakra, just sound waves, so unless Itachi can block of his eardrums, blocking it would be extremely difficult.

    Itachi raped Orochimaru the first time without getting to Susanoo.
    True lol :D

    Itachi has 5 in intelligence. This closes the gap of experience.
    well yes and no, Itachi might have been the overall smarter shinobi, but i wonder what the difference in "battle smart" would have been between the 2.
    IMO, not that much, like i said Jiraiya has way more experiance then Itachi, so things would be pretty evened out.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Curtain Messiah View Post
    They were afraid of Kyyubi and that's why they decided to cut of Naruto's leg and attack him in the closed area? Whereas it's obvious that this cut off leg action will awaken fox's power? :o it doesn't make sense at all.

    That's like saying: Hmm if we face him, we'll both die. ah let's go and cut off his leg so he wont run away!


    and no I read the translations, but my opinion is not biased and I have no itnention of forcing everyone believe what I want unlike some others :o

    Also I havent seen that Mirro rgen jutsu in action. Also, who said that Sennin tech's are at the same leve. Thirdly, the genjutsu doesn't confuse, it just sends sound waves that paralyse enemy's body.
    I don't agree with this. ^.^ Hows chopping his leg off gonna make him go kyubi mode?

    He only does it when he's extremely angry, but I think they might have been afraid of him, due to the fact that like peaceful said they didn't know what Naruto would do in kyubi mode
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Curtain Messiah View Post
    Dude, if someone atack you and your best friend for no reason and then chopped your leg, wouldnt you become angry? :o

    Perhaps you're the wrong prson to ask because you're the captain of curtain army and noone has the power to do it to you but.. yeah.
    Right.So if Itachi was afraid of kyuubi,s chakra then why did he pawned sasuke in front of naruto which was the greatest source of his anger.
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    Quote Originally Posted by sauron_the_dark_lord View Post
    right.so if itachi was afraid of kyuubi,s chakra then why did he pawned sasuke in front of naruto which was the greatest source of his anger.
    cauz he love him as a brother.........!
     
         

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    Re: I kept silent. Not anymore. Itachi is greater than Jiraya.

    oh yeah btw, go look up like EVERY jiraiya vs itachi poll thread in google. every time jiraiya wins. why do you think he wins every time? because of popularity? right........It's fact! sorry if that hurts your feelings, well......not really.
    Of course it's by popularity. :/ Jiraiya is more popular than Itachi.

    right.so if itachi was afraid of kyuubi,s chakra then why did he pawned sasuke in front of naruto which was the greatest source of his anger.
    Because he wanted Sasuke to not forget about his revenge. If he forgets about his revenge, Sasuke will never get Mangekyo or be as strong as he is today.
     
         

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