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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by AmaniPaz View Post
    This is not true. Genjutsu can be broken by inflicting a great amount of pain to yourself.
    obviously thats not true for Tsukuyomi because its all about inflicting pain
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    At the time only madara and his bro had mygeku so tysukiomi was out of the questions for uchia's
    The biggest plot hole was deidara vs gaara to me
    In the beginning it was stated gaara couldn't sleep or else the demon came out we seen how gaara made the demon came out by making himself unconscious so when deidara and gaara faught besides deidara being gay and using the village as hostage when he knocked gaara unconcious the demon should've came out and ****ed deidara life up
     
         

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    Tsukuyomi is horrible, yeah, but I'd be more interested to know if there is a person who can shrug it off.

    Hm. I never thought of that before. I wonder if there's an explanation? Probably not.
     
         
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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

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    fails big time
    -Logic- owns him
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandomen123 View Post
    At the time only madara and his bro had mygeku so tysukiomi was out of the questions for uchia's
    The biggest plot hole was deidara vs gaara to me
    In the beginning it was stated gaara couldn't sleep or else the demon came out we seen how gaara made the demon came out by making himself unconscious so when deidara and gaara faught besides deidara being gay and using the village as hostage when he knocked gaara unconcious the demon should've came out and ****ed deidara life up
    good point i would have to guess its because gaara got shikaku under control so that didnt happen not sure but i agree that fight was dumb
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Of course Uchiha are stronger, they can expand their abilities continuously. To all the people saying Senju are stronger, please stop basing off of opinion and look at facts. Name the Senju that have been given in this story and put them up against their Uchiha counterparts power wise that have been named. Senju would lose. We don't have much information about the Senju clan as a whole but really not much about the Uchiha as a whole, but the people we do now, are better than the Senju.
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Sasuke View Post
    SO, then... how does Sasuke have Susanoo?
    You dont have to have tsukuyomi to have susanoo every mangyeko sharingan have different moves sasukes two moves are amatarsu and flame control One eye has amatarasu and the other eye can control it ( this is why sasuke is better with amatarasu then Itachi was )
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Savior View Post
    Of course Uchiha are stronger, they can expand their abilities continuously. To all the people saying Senju are stronger, please stop basing off of opinion and look at facts. Name the Senju that have been given in this story and put them up against their Uchiha counterparts power wise that have been named. Senju would lose. We don't have much information about the Senju clan as a whole but really not much about the Uchiha as a whole, but the people we do now, are better than the Senju.
    im pretty sure when they did do that senju won (hashi vs madara)
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Chakra disruption can break genjutsu.
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatninja13 View Post
    good point i would have to guess its because gaara got shikaku under control so that didnt happen not sure but i agree that fight was dumb
    it was stated the only person who could control thier demon is bee
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandomen123 View Post
    it was stated the only person who could control thier demon is bee
    not controll him get him under controll its different i dont mean garaa could like summon shikaku but maybe he could controll him enough to stop a rampage while he was unconcious
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Savior View Post
    Of course Uchiha are stronger, they can expand their abilities continuously. To all the people saying Senju are stronger, please stop basing off of opinion and look at facts. Name the Senju that have been given in this story and put them up against their Uchiha counterparts power wise that have been named. Senju would lose. We don't have much information about the Senju clan as a whole but really not much about the Uchiha as a whole, but the people we do now, are better than the Senju.

    you must realize that madara izuna sasuke itachi and shisui were wall conseidered genius's .... realize that not all uchiha are even close to that skill level(or were) ...not saying they were all weak , but there were fodder uchiha... we know hashi beat madara so senjus leader beats uchiha but it would be stupid to say either senjus greater than uchiha, or uchiha greater than senju... they were equals in their own ways ...senju had more stamina and jutsu but uchiha had better reaction and could copy jutsus...there was a reason that the clans formed konoha....if the uchiha were greater than senju then there would be no reason for konoha(it was formed because both clans were pitted up against each other and kept losing people)

    summary: uchiha arent better than senju and senju arent better than uchiha......they are equals and deal with it
    and there are many unknown jutsu and known one shots out there, and counters to tsukuyomi

    (there are plenty of jutsu that can stop tsyukyomi ex 1 kabuto blinding himself, ex 2 tobiramas bringer of darkness technique ......there are others but also realize that there are very few true 1v1 fights out there...)
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    Please go find someone who is not a Jin or a Uchiha ..... that can break Tsukuyomi

    Need a counter not a saying....



    You do know what a "shut down " is right?




    Please go find someone who is not a Jin or a Uchiha ..... that can break Tsukuyomi

    Jiraiya
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    from what i've seen so far,
    1) uchiha shisui - most powerful genjutsu
    2) uchiha itachi - tsukuyomi can control time

    next sasuke - weak genjutsu nowhere near itachi (tobi said this during danzo vs sasuke)
    no mention about madara's genjutsu
    basically every normal sharingan can cast a genjutsu, see through it.

    when orochimaru vs 3rd hokage, we saw hashirama's "dangerous" blackness genjutsu as well

    as to who can break the illusions,
    i'll say jinchurikis who are on good terms with their bijus
    we saw this during bee vs sasuke

    tsukuyomi is certainly a difficult one to beat but it can be overcome.
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Actually the sad part is that you think perfect Jinchurikis can break Tsukuyomi lol. I agree somehow though, although Itachi is the only one with an Unbreakable Tsukuyomi.
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Yusuke Urameshi View Post
    A Fail: "Every justu has a weakness." What about Rinne Tensei?
    There's a duration limit upon who you can revive depending on chakra levels/in general. Probably requires focus. Reviving a large amount of people consumes a massive amount of Chakra (Nagato had an impressive storage of chakra).
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Only Itachi & Sasuke have Tsukuyomi. Not all Uchiha.

    Edit: not even sure if Sasuke has Tsukuyomi or if you could call it that (refer to Danzou fight)
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    It's pretty retarded to say Senju > Uchiha just because Itachi's Tsukuyomi can't be countered by them, they can simply avoid it.

    Hashirama for example has many long range attacks: Mokuton.
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by -Logic- View Post
    You failed, big time.

    Only two, maybe 3 Uchihas out of the ENTIRE clan have Tsukuyomi; Itachi/Sasuke/Madara.

    And out of ONE of those THREE, only Itachi's Tsukuyomi is unbreakable, except for Uchihas and Sharingan users who are Uchihas.

    And then to go on to say the Uchiha > Senju based on one Jutsu which can be avoided by simply looking down is extremely shallow.

    You are the great fail here, not Kishimoto.

    And then people ask me why I don't post in the Naruto Discussion that much. Because it's full of people who make shitty threads such as these. >_>
    Truer words have never been spoken.
     
         

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    Re: Kishimoto the Great fails.....

    Quote Originally Posted by KingHashirama View Post
    Do you people even read the thread.. Instead of providing a counter you post stuff that has already been in the manga. The fact of the matter is Itachi's or any uchiha's Tsukuyomi cannot be Countered. The point is on Tsukuyomi.. and Izanagi and Izanami. Like God damn it.

    And not every Senju is strong as Hashirama or Tsunade or Tobirama.




    ~sigh~... Again.. Do you know anyone who can break Tsukuyomi and that is not a Uchiha or a Jin... if so and it has been shown please tell me. Otherwise no. Shiusui had MS i believe and probably has Tsukuyomi.
    Didn't Danzo break sasuke's Tsukyomi?
     
         

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