how did hashirama really win over madara???

[ninja nik]

i wonder how did it happen...
since madara is capable of hammering the current 5 kages.....how on earth did he lose to hashirama? plus he had the kyuubi...
on the other hand how powerful was hashi.?..edo madara himself on several occasions has mentioned how inferior he was to hashi.
so ir the current kages weak or was hashi way too strong???....if he was he shuld hav been a god....he did beat madara all by himself..
n when p'pl make polls hashi isnt even on the top 10 list sometimes..
.how come so when he did beat madara n we know madara will be top 3 on any list.....
PLUS
any guess on how he fought against madara's genjutsu???

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

He beat the kage because he was an edo with unlimited chakra and major boosts. I personally think Madara did it on his own. He's a badass. Buuut, Hashirama kicked his ass, it is what it is. Combine what feats Madara has shown with Mokuton plus the feats Zetsu has shown. Mix in a little medical ninjutsu and BOD, then you have one strong Senju...

[Raiden001]

its an interesting question on how Hashirama combated against Madara's genjutsu my guess is Hashirama had perfect chakra control since genjutsu disrupts your chakra and as to how he beat Madara, Hashirama had instantaneous healing without needing Hand seals

[TobitoUchiha]

This is easy to answer. Have you forgotten about Plot no Jutsu?

[cLang cLang]

He buttraped him with his wood.

[Drakengard]

Mind you Madara probably used Hashirama's powers to fight the Kages. Although this shouldn't take away from Hashirama's overwhelming power...

Apparently he had medical jutsu that did NOT require hand seals, genjutsu like he showed against Hiruzen, possible sealing jutsu, he almost certainly had mass shadow clones, and probably a strong water and earth elemental move set. Remember that Yamato created a large waterfall out of flat land and shifted the land under trees to make a path for them.

Obviously though his best weapon was his Mokuton. He can grow weapons and other complex tools out of his own body. Danzo knew that using his implanted DNA would be faster to defend against a Susano'o arrow then the 3 hand seals needed for Izanagi. In other news, Obito was just shown to kill loads of high class shinobi using Mokuton techniques (also phasing did help him here), and Madara just showed a great mokuton dragon. This plus all the extra things like sleep inducing pollen from trees obviously makes Mokuton a very versatile technique. I was hoping that Madara would make a giant man eating plant and swallow the Kages but alas, he had mercy xD

[Valen]

Just look at this beast...

[Imperius]

LISTEN TO ME AND LISTEN GOOD:

Hashirama is the strongest (not couting rikudo sennin of course)
he has plot no jutsu just like naruto, it's only called will of fire

[DeadManWonderLand]

Half the stuff he has shown he did not have at the time of their fight so he is way stronger then he was back then not saying he was weak but he is obviously stronger then before.Madara already stated that the dragon he summoned was the very same one hashi used to take down kurama.We already know the wood release is a catalyst of life force chakra that can suppress the tailed beast the dragon madara summoned in just a over sized tailed beast container

[HomerSimpson]

Wood Dragon.

[TheHokage]

Because Madara didn't have the Rinnegan nor did he have wood element and frankly Hashirama was just better

[Raiden001]

I guess what madara really needed back then to beat hashirama was a chainsaw, weed killer and a giant wood chipper and an army of summoned beavers

[Tim Jamison]

Wood Dragon.

This can not take down the Nine Tails Mate

[Exaar]

i wonder how did it happen...
since madara is capable of hammering the current 5 kages.....how on earth did he lose to hashirama? plus he had the kyuubi...

Current Madara is stronger than the madara who fought hashi.

Bringing a bijuu to a fight with hashirama is useless, Madara should of known this, He was stupid to do so.

on the other hand how powerful was hashi.?..edo madara himself on several occasions has mentioned how inferior he was to hashi.

Current madara hasn't stated he was "inferior" to hashi, he has stated how the kages are inferior.

so ir the current kages weak or was hashi way too strong???....if he was he shuld hav been a god....he did beat madara all by himself..

Kages arn't weak, Current madara is just overpowered.

n when p'pl make polls hashi isnt even on the top 10 list sometimes..
.how come so when he did beat madara n we know madara will be top 3 on any list.....
PLUS
any guess on how he fought against madara's genjutsu???

Hashi is top 10, But he isn't top 3, Nor is madara (Edo madara does not count)

Hashi most likely got used to fighting uchiha's, Like guy has gotten used to fighting kakashi's sharingan.

[GiantShuriken]

Look at that move obito did to the mist ninjas. I think Hashi has moves like that and wood dragon and it helped him hold his own, combine that with plot no jutsu and will of fire and he won.

[ninja nik]

ok...so if ems madara n hashi r out of the top 3 then how's that even a list for the strongest shinobi?

[Exaar]

ok...so if ems madara n hashi r out of the top 3 then how's that even a list for the strongest shinobi?

1.Kabuto
2.obito
3. Bm naruto

[ninja nik]

just 1 query....im not sure abt hashi's genjutsu
can u tell me the chapter where he uses one?

[ninja nik]

nah....
obito is inferior to madara...
naruto is strong but will lose to madara's genjutsu n ninjutsu
well i cant say nothing abt kabuto

[Exaar]

just 1 query....im not sure abt hashi's genjutsu
can u tell me the chapter where he uses one?

Hashi used it against old hiruzen, when Oro summoned edo hashi/edo tobirama in part one.

[ninja nik]

ok thnx mate but i wanted the chapter. anyways thnx

[Exaar]

nah....
obito is inferior to madara...
naruto is strong but will lose to madara's genjutsu n ninjutsu
well i cant say nothing abt kabuto

Obito:
7Bijuu
Gedo mazo
S/T
Rinnegan

He is in no way inferior to madara.

Genjutsu won't work against Naruto, edo madara can defeat naruto, but not ems.

[Champ]

We don't know how he won yet, the manga hasn't shown the fight. Hashirama beat EMS Madara & The Kyuubi, not Rinnegan Madara. Anyway they are in my top 5

Kabuto(Edo Army)
Obito
Nagato
Hashirama
EMS Madara

[Exaar]

ok thnx mate but i wanted the chapter. anyways thnx

Chp 122

[ninja nik]

but gedo mazo was handed down by madara to tobi as it was madara's rinnegan. also madara's sussanoo seems strong enuff to fight against gedo mazo.
plus he doesnt really control the bijuu....the edo jinchuuriki were also reanimated by kabuto.
(the time he really controlled bijuu was when he had 9 tails attck the konoha.)

so ems madara is on par or even stronger than tobi
well s/t may be a factor....but madara may figure out that as well.