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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefHermit View Post
    1 word, big a** rasengan
    Naruto doesnt have so much chakra for such a big resengan. Its like you are saying 1=100
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught View Post
    I fail to see where PS stomps naruto when Madara said PS and a bijuu are about equal in power and u saw madara use his fan one time and it can block all the technics naruto has ? And ems madara doesnt even have rinnengan or mokuton
    perfect susano stomps naruto since its map altering attacks can spammed and tbb cant be spammed like a sword slash. no madaras fan blocks all of narutos nonthrowable rasengan techs. the fact that ems madara doesnt have mokuton and rinnegan doesnt matter in the slightest as he still has perfect susano which is also edo madara full power which means that perfect susano is greater than all the powerups that madara got.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSages456 View Post
    perfect susano stomps naruto since its map altering attacks can spammed and tbb cant be spammed like a sword slash. no madaras fan blocks all of narutos nonthrowable rasengan techs. the fact that ems madara doesnt have mokuton and rinnegan doesnt matter in the slightest as he still has perfect susano which is also edo madara full power which means that perfect susano is greater than all the powerups that madara got.
    How long do you think he can stay in PS? He doesnt have unlimited chakra and seeing how much chakra it takes from itachi and sasuke i dont think he can keep it for much time. Naruto can easily dodged the susano's sword slash with his speed and he can probably fight hand to hand in BM like he did with the other bijuu. Susano can destroy the landscape but if he cant hit naruto its useless and how do you know naruto cant spam TBB?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSages456 View Post
    perfect susano stomps naruto since its map altering attacks can spammed and tbb cant be spammed like a sword slash
    I will repeat myself second time.
    I never said that he wouldnt be able to, but some people said that PS would be able to own Naruto with little problem. Its not the case, Madara himself said that power of that technique is comparable to power of Bijuu, where Naruto has power of the most powerful one to his disposition. The clash like that would be real mayhem, for both of them.

    IMO, if Madara was that powerful he wouldnt even bother by enslaving Kurama. Moreover, Minato, during his fight with Tobi suggested that Madara was able to control the Kyuubi only for short spans of time. Even with that, its power was worth enough for Madara to summon and use it againt Hashirama, even though he most probably knew beforehand that Hashirama is able to supress Kyuubis powers.
    By restricting PS movements with Kuramas tails like he did with other tailed beasts and shooting full powered TBB from point blank range? Something like that should be possible.
    So, in the end, Naruto would be able to win against PS. Its completely withing the range of his abilities.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by shelke View Post
    EMS Madara had perfect sussano, arrows, amatersu, loads of other skills at his disposal. He was thought to have mysterious Chakra, and controlled Kyuubi when it had yin and yang chakra, where as Naruto only his yang Chakra. He was the leader of the clan for a reason. People fear him for his skills. EMS Madara slaughters anything in the manga right now, Naruto included. Sorry.
    Your wrong sir Madara did not have perfect susanoo until he got the rinnegan. And I thought naruto already whooped on madara once but of course he couldnt die because of edo. Now if Madara was to have all his weapons like that bashosen fan nevermind. madara one.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught View Post
    How long do you think he can stay in PS? He doesnt have unlimited chakra and seeing how much chakra it takes from itachi and sasuke i dont think he can keep it for much time. Naruto can easily dodged the susano's sword slash with his speed and he can probably fight hand to hand in BM like he did with the other bijuu. Susano can destroy the landscape but if he cant hit naruto its useless and how do you know naruto cant spam TBB?
    please just stop. naruto isnt moving across the area of a mountain range before perfect susano swings its sword. naruto isnt a dbz character. madara fought hashirama for extended periods of time and rewrote maps. madara represents the maximum of the uchiha and has the powerful chakras. he keeps up perfect susano for as long as he wants and naruto dies in about 5 minutes.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSages456 View Post
    please just stop. naruto isnt moving across the area of a mountain range before perfect susano swings its sword.
    Please look at my previous post, Naruto can just bind PS with his tails...
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    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/571/5 -> He can deflect sword.
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/571/7 -> Not to mention that his fast and agile even when hes fully transformed. He can dodge.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSages456 View Post
    please just stop. naruto isnt moving across the area of a mountain range before perfect susano swings its sword. naruto isnt a dbz character. madara fought hashirama for extended periods of time and rewrote maps. madara represents the maximum of the uchiha and has the powerful chakras. he keeps up perfect susano for as long as he wants and naruto dies in about 5 minutes.
    Yes and naruto didnt stop 5 TBB in a sec when they were aiming at kakashi and gai from a blank point range? And seeing how easy he stop the TBB i wouldnt be surprise if he can tank or deflect the slash of susano. And how much fanboy can u be saying he can keeps up susano for as long as he want. We know nothing about hashirama and madara fight so dont say they fight for so long and I doubt he kept susano up all the fight, he isnt known for having a large chakra pool like hashirama or naruto. Like i said before i thinks its 50/50 for each of them stop underating naruto.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    So because Madara blocked one move from Naruto and destroyed his clone he beats Naruto eaisly?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by thesages456 View Post
    please just stop. Naruto isnt moving across the area of a mountain range before perfect susano swings its sword. Naruto isnt a dbz character. Madara fought hashirama for extended periods of time and rewrote maps. Madara represents the maximum of the uchiha and has the powerful chakras. He keeps up perfect susano for as long as he wants and naruto dies in about 5 minutes.
    i really dont think ppl read the manga. Madara clearly states i unlocked the perfect susanoo when he unlocked the rinnegan. Why the hell is this argument going this long!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by Turson View Post
    Please look at my previous post, Naruto can just bind PS with his tails...
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    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/571/5 -> He can deflect sword.
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/571/7 -> Not to mention that his fast and agile even when hes fully transformed. He can dodge.
    he isnt jumping or moving out of the way of an area that spans the AOE of a mountain range no matter what you think. kurama isnt anywhere near the size of perfect susano. whats it gonna do, wrap its tails around its feet. they get chopped off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught View Post
    Yes and naruto didnt stop 5 TBB in a sec when they were aiming at kakashi and gai from a blank point range? And seeing how easy he stop the TBB i wouldnt be surprise if he can tank or deflect the slash of susano. And how much fanboy can u be saying he can keeps up susano for as long as he want. We know nothing about hashirama and madara fight so dont say they fight for so long and I doubt he kept susano up all the fight, he isnt known for having a large chakra pool like hashirama or naruto. Like i said before i thinks its 50/50 for each of them stop underating naruto.
    guess what. madara kept up with hashirama who had beastly chakra levels. you didnt even refute the fact that hashirama and madara fought for extended periods of time and rewrote maps. madara has the most powerful chakra of any uchiha and he keeps up perfect susano for as long as he wants and naruto dies quickly whether you like it or not. kakashi and guy werent a mountain ranges length away from naruto when he deflected the tbbs.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by thesages456 View Post
    he isnt jumping or moving out of the way of an area that spans the aoe of a mountain range no matter what you think. Kurama isnt anywhere near the size of perfect susano. Whats it gonna do, wrap its tails around its feet. They get chopped off.


    Guess what. Madara kept up with hashirama who had beastly chakra levels. You didnt even refute the fact that hashirama and madara fought for extended periods of time and rewrote maps. Madara has the most powerful chakra of any uchiha and he keeps up perfect susano for as long as he wants and naruto dies quickly whether you like it or not. Kakashi and guy werent a mountain ranges length away from naruto when he deflected the tbbs.
    one more time... Ems madara does not have perfect susanoo is you listening? Go back to the chapter when he brung him out and read it.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerXzone View Post
    one more time... Ems madara does not have perfect susanoo is you listening? Go back to the chapter when he brung him out and read it.
    nah i think you need to reread the manga because he never said that he doesnt have it. he implied the contrary which was using perfect susano against hashirama when he only had ems.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSages456 View Post
    he isnt jumping or moving out of the way of an area that spans the AOE of a mountain range no matter what you think. kurama isnt anywhere near the size of perfect susano. whats it gonna do, wrap its tails around its feet. they get chopped off.


    guess what. madara kept up with hashirama who had beastly chakra levels. you didnt even refute the fact that hashirama and madara fought for extended periods of time and rewrote maps. madara has the most powerful chakra of any uchiha and he keeps up perfect susano for as long as he wants and naruto dies quickly whether you like it or not. kakashi and guy werent a mountain ranges length away from naruto when he deflected the tbbs.
    I didnt refute the fact they probably fought for an extended period of time but I said he probably didnt have susano up all fight. Having strong chakra doesnt mean you have a large chakra pool he cant keep up susano for too much time when he is not edo like you think and Naruto speed is almost as like his father , he would be able to dodge the sword and if he can deflect 5 TBB what make you think he cant do the same thing with the sword. Stop saying madara wins easily when he cleary isnt. With his speed, power and chakra naruto can fight and can win against ems madara.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by thesages456 View Post
    nah i think you need to reread the manga because he never said that he doesnt have it. He implied the contrary which was using perfect susano against hashirama when he only had ems.
    nope im right he clearly say ididnt unlock the perfect susanoo until he unlocked the rinnegan. We are talking about ems madara not after he achieved his rinnegan.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSages456 View Post
    he isnt jumping or moving out of the way of an area that spans the AOE of a mountain range no matter what you think. kurama isnt anywhere near the size of perfect susano. whats it gonna do, wrap its tails around its feet. they get chopped off.

    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/570/8 -> I think you are underrating size of these beasts and might of Kurama.
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/572/3 -> Naruto was able to subdue 5 tailed beasts using only five oh his tails.

    Naruto has bigger chances than you think he has.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerXzone View Post
    nope im right he clearly say ididnt unlock the perfect susanoo until he unlocked the rinnegan. We are talking about ems madara not after he achieved his rinnegan.
    I have to agree with thesage456 on that, he said he unlock rinnengan before his death but he never said PS was a rinengan jutsu. Correct me if i'm wrong and show us the page where it is state
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerXzone View Post
    nope im right he clearly say ididnt unlock the perfect susanoo until he unlocked the rinnegan. We are talking about ems madara not after he achieved his rinnegan.
    he never said that. i dont think you should be posting until you refresh your knowledge on the manga. go find the manga page where madara said what you are claiming. dont quote my comment unless you have something productive to contribute to the debate not that the people that im debating with have anything productive to contribute anyway.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by dangerXzone View Post
    nope im right he clearly say ididnt unlock the perfect susanoo until he unlocked the rinnegan. We are talking about ems madara not after he achieved his rinnegan.
    Actually, you are wrong. Oonoki asked Madara why he didnt use this power in the past when they fought against each other, Madara answered that Oonoki was just a kid at that time.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSages456 View Post
    he never said that. i dont think you should be posting until you refresh your knowledge on the manga. go find the manga page where madara said what you are claiming. dont quote my comment unless you have something productive to contribute to the debate not that the people that im debating with have anything productive to contribute anyway.
    You are not really contributing to the debate, you only keep saying PS stomps because he can spam. How is it debating? Madara stated himself that the bijuu can be compared with PS and yet you keep trying to debate PS stomps kurama easily. At the moment the only fact u state is that madara fought hashirama and susano can slash montain and I dont see where it make madara win easily because naruto can counter and fight PS with his BM.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by Turson View Post
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/570/8 -> I think you are underrating size of these beasts and might of Kurama.
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/572/3 -> Naruto was able to subdue 5 tailed beasts using only five oh his tails.

    Naruto has bigger chances than you think he has.
    LOL nope. this is the size of 100% kurama.

    its still smaller than perfect susano. mind you that the kurama that naruto has is only half as big as 100% kurama.



    now look at the meteor that madara brought down:

    it reaches the height of the cumulus clouds in the air. cumulus clouds are roughly 2 km in the air. 100% kyuubi was nowhere near this big much less the nerfed kyuubi.

    now this is perfect susano:


    nobody is underrating naruto. its pathetically clear that he stands no chance vs madara.
     
         
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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught View Post
    You are not really contributing to the debate, you only keep saying PS stomps because he can spam. How is it debating? Madara stated himself that the bijuu can be compared with PS and yet you keep trying to debate PS stomps kurama easily. At the moment the only fact u state is that madara fought hashirama and susano can slash montain and I dont see where it make madara win easily because naruto can counter and fight PS with his BM.
    no madara said that bijuus had power like his perfect susano and he was obviously talking about their tbb which has a charge time and cant be spammed. a sword slash requires no prep time and can be spammed and madara gets similar results that a tailed beast would get through tbb with a simple sword swing. madara also stated that his susano was meant for destruction. perfect susano is more efficient than a bijuu.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSages456 View Post
    LOL nope. this is the size of 100% kurama.

    its still smaller than perfect susano. mind you that the kurama that naruto has is only half as big as 100% kurama.


    now look at the meteor that madara brought down:

    it reaches the height of the cumulus clouds in the air. cumulus clouds are roughly 2 km in the air. 100% kyuubi was nowhere near this big much less the nerfed kyuubi.

    now this is perfect susano:


    nobody is underrating naruto. its pathetically clear that he stands no chance vs madara.
    You are underrating naruto. It wasnt cumulus cloud, it was dust cloud that came from the creation of the forest, its clear susano do not reach 2 KM while I agree PS is probably bigger than kurama but not that much. And its clear naruto stand a chance against madara with ems
     
         

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    Re: Naruto >>Madara (READ READ READ)

    Quote Originally Posted by TheSages456 View Post
    no madara said that bijuus had power like his perfect susano and he was obviously talking about their tbb which has a charge time and cant be spammed. a sword slash requires no prep time and can be spammed and madara gets similar results that a tailed beast would get through tbb with a simple sword swing. madara also stated that his susano was meant for destruction. perfect susano is more efficient than a bijuu.
    Kurama isnt any bijuu, he is the strongest and by far. Kurama wasnt meant for hugging people, he is destruction as state in the begenning of the manga where his tails created tornado and destroying montains.
     
         

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