Re: Tsunade vs Kakuzu and Hidan
Tsunade takes this.
Hell, Katsuyu could solo Hidan.
Tsunade's Speed and Reflexes: Most people think that Tsunade is slow and sluggish. In fact, people often think her affinity to slugs make her slow. They bring in databook numbers to say that she is slow. So I will actually bring her feats into play here.
when Tsunade shoves Gamabunta's sword into Manda's mouth I'd call that a speed of feat. Thinking Logically about the feat Manda went underground and blitzed Gamabunta. Neither Gamabunta nor Jiraiya had time to react. It would make no logical sense for Tsunade to be in the air with the sword with no target as she has not the ability to hover. Therefore, she must have jumped and reacted after Manda appeared above ground and managed to attack him with such accuracy coming from off panel.
When Tsunade threw herself in front of Orochimaru's blade that was a feat of speed . And considering Jiraiya was only able to to form a single handseal before Oro's blade struck Tsunade and no one even thought it was capable to get in the way judging by their shocked faces yet Tsunade did.
And when Tsunade attacked Orochimaru I'd consider that a feat of speed considering Orochimaru was paying close enough attention to her he could tell her trembling had stopped yet he was completely unprepared for Tsunade's kick.
When Madara was attacking the 5 kage with his Katon none of the kages were able to react in time not even A. Yet Tsunade not only saw the attack but was able to respond as well.
When Tsunade blitzed Shizune, Shizune had no way of reacting in fact she was completely caught off guard.
And Tsunade was able to use her speed to avoid Naruto's attacks without much effort.
And Tsunade literally blitzed Kabuto in the time it took to push up his glasses.
She was also able to blitz the advisers as well
In addition the her and A were able to completely approach Bee and Naruto in such a quick manner neither Bee nor Naruto saw it coming and had the kages wanted to they could've blitzed the jinchuurikis.
Furthermore in the time it takes Raikage to punch in his V1 form Tsunade has already began running implying that she is not slow.
The fact that her speed was compared to A's is a great thing. No she is not in his speed range, but being compared to the second fastest character alive would she's not slow, the same way Raikage's strength in comparison to the strongest character alive does not make him weak.
When Kabuto was attacking Tsunade is was a fact that Tsunade had been out of battle many years. It was a fact that she had not been resting. It was also a fact that she was holding back based on her not using Katsuyu or Creation Rebirth.
Even still, Tsunade was able to react very well defensively.
And Tsunade was able to blitz Jiraiya and force Kabuto into a position in which he could not avoid taking damage and thus he had to resort to exploiting her hemophobia.
Additionally in her fight against Madara, Madara had her taking one 5 autonomous clones of himself wrapped in Susanoo. Meaning they had the sharingan precognition and the rinnegan shared vision yet Tsunade was still able to get behind a clone and incapacitated it. And because each kage received 5 clones to fight, yet we only see four in the picture two of which are definitely left standing behind Tsunade, another is ambigously farther away either collapsed on top of a stone sharing a fate similar to the clone in front of Tsunade or unable to close the distance. We can reason that she had incapacitated at least two clones.
We again saw Tsunade's reflexes during Madara's attack when Madara was using his perfect Susanoo Tsunade had started another jutsu.
In addition she was able to coordinate a joint attack with Mei, A, and Oonoki when A was in his raiton armor.
Orochimaru and Kabuto were nearly blitzed together in Tsunade's initial up front attack they narrowly escaped death.
Tsunade also managed to blitz Madara with him being not only completely caught off guard but incapable of preparing his counter attack before Tsunade's attack landed.
Even in a fatigued state so great that she was moments away from going into a coma she managed to beat anbu to Pein.
Additionally, Tsunade's hands moved fast enough that not only was she able to dismarm and neutralize Naruto but pickpocket him and hide away his wallet all without being seen in the action.
And when Pein was about to attack with Asura's path Tsunade's arm had already risen, which means logically she could have simply struck the blizting Asura path. So she was a victim of plot no jutsu and fatigue
Even when distracted, Tsunade was able to respond to what she thought was a fully powered rasengan using only one finger.
Tsunade's Strength and battle prowess: Tsunade has proven that she is physically the strongest character in Naruto. She accomplishes this in two ways. She uses medical ninjutsu to create chakra explosions. and due to the explanation given of the medical ninjutsu strength we can reason that lifting, maneuvering and pulling attacks we were shown were accomplished through natural strength.
I though will provide more examples of her strength though.
The wall in Tanzuku town crumbled when Tsunade struck it.
With one finger Tsunade split the ground leaving a crevice so large that Naruto was able to fall inside of it. This attack illustrates that Tsunade is willing to use shockwaves, a by product of her strength, to gain an advantage in battle. Incidently, Tsunade's shockwaves are strong enough to break through solid stone walls, in the close up you can see the damage actually extended slightly pass the walls, and in the farther shot you can see both walls to heavy damage meaning if someone was caught by her shockwaves instead of her direct strength they would still take great damage and possibly even suffer death.
Another byproduct of Tsunade's strength is a change in environment. This change, makes opponent's whose moves are swifter than Tsunade a risk to use because of uneven footing. Tsunade though has shown that she is adept at maneuvering even in such circumstances.
Tsunade has also proven that she is willing to use her environment to aid her in battle and is willing to use the resources available to her to claim victory. By extension she could use the aftermath of her strength i.e. rocks and boulders as projetiles, and as MLB players can pitch with speeds over 100 miles per hour I imagine that the speed of Tsunade's projectiles would be much higher given her strength..
Furthermore, Tsunade does not only attack with brute strength but also in ways specific to medical ninjas. Such as targeting pressure points and forcing involuntary reactions. She uses medical ninjutsu to scatter brain signals and she uses medical ninjutsu directly as an agent of death.
Tsunade should have a method of fighting similar to Kabuto as she made a comparison between his fighting style and hers. As Tsunade's style of fighting is so radically different she couldn't make a valid comparison unless she use a method of attack similar to Kabuto. She's proven that PTS Kabuto's strength is no where near her past prime strength (not just physically but all around as a ninja) thus it only stands to reason she was referring to using medical ninjutsu offensively. Even the way the statement was phrased in that it was prefaced to him being a medical ninja before finishing the statement suggests that the following was related to him being a medical ninja.
As one can pierce organs without piercing the skin it is reasonable with medical ninjutsu she can pierce the skin without touching the person
Tsunade taught Sakura how to pick up on an opponents method of fighting and alter your own to better defend, and by extension attack
Tsunade's Intelligence: Needless to say Tsunade is intelligent. For instance, before the battle with Orochimaru she poisoned Jiraiya to make sure he did not interfere with any of her decisions.
She opted to end Orochimaru subtly with a sneak attack than a large time consuming showdown
Tsunade is able to understand how motivation affects people and their performance on the battlefield.
While Tsunade is an emotional person, she is able to rationalize and objectively analyze situations.
Tsunade can reason on the motives of her enemies and spot traps ahead of time.
Tsunade here indicates that she didn't just stick Yamato with team Kakashi for kicks and giggles nor just because of him being powerful, but also because he mokuton includes Chakra suppression.
Tsunade also shows that she knew that if the Hidden Leaf really crumbled then Naruto would be in grave danger, thus he had to fight to defend it if he had any chance in being safe.
In stressful situations Tsunade has managed to provide quick leadership the has a solid plan of defense. And she knew a means to hand out information instanteously is paramount. And therefore, she knows the value of information and thus would strive to obtain it through whatever means necessary.
Tsunade has also shown her ability to think up counters to enemies unusual abilities once she has information on them.
As opposed to most people Tsunade was able to perceive that Pein was about to launch a large scale attack.
Tsunade also realizes when desperate measures demand an all out attack. Even out thinking Shikaku in this regard.
Tsunade was able to out think Raikage and perceive what Naruto experienced before he told them.
Tsunade's rules for medical nin highlights her knowledge of battle strategy.
And we see while the medical ninja is supposed to be the last on the team to die in battle in the case against Tsunade. She intends to allow the kage to make a comeback by healing them allowing them to protect the shinobi world
Tsunade also managed to set a trap for Madara, that Madara did not expect
Tsunade's Durability and Stamina:She arrived and used creation rebirth. When she used creation Rebirth against Orochimaru it ate up the whole seal.
She then healed Oonoki and Gaara and replenished chakras.
She then healed Mei and replenished her chakra.
She then used Byakugou and attacked Madara.
She then regenerated from the Susanoo sword
She then regenerated from three yasaka magatamas
She then regenerated from at least two more Susanoo swords while immobilizing two of them.
She then donated more chakra to Oonoki so he could use his biggest Jinton yet
She then tanked the damage of a katon that was meant to kill 5 people.
Tsunade was apparently also bisected by mokuton. Even in the bisected state however, she is apparently capable of returning to one piece. And is still able to use jutsus.
Sword of Kusanagi
Cut abdomen and Bicep MusclesCut Respiratory MusclesShinra Tensei Fully Powered
Katsuyu's abilities: Among Katsyuyu's abilities is the ability to divide into many versions of herself. Her full bodied self is capable of spitting acid so it is logical to assume that her minis could as well.. Or given how Tsunade was able to heal the village through Katsuya and she was going to kill Orochimaru with Medical Ninjutsu if a small katsuyu a few inches long is stuck on an opponent Tsunade needs only to channel the technique through Katsuya to kill an opponent. I can see Tsunade inacting this jutsu while multitasking as she always holds the jutsu that keeps her looking young, while using augmented monster strength, while using forbidden jutsus, or how she keeps up her technique while she heals.In addition to the obvious fact that Katsuyu can crush people. Given the crushing power of this mini katsuyu it only stands to reason the a full sized katsuyu would be much more deadly. We also know that Katsuyu can completely envelop people quickly even without their permission And Tsunade can seeming sense what Katsuyu sees Katsuyu can transfer information over multiple battlefields at once Logically a mini katsuyu like this one could stay with Tsunade and insert chakra into her to wake her from genjutsu Katsuyu cannot be harmed cutting or stabbing and as we've seen her withstand Shinra Tensei FP and Chibaku Tensei it is safe to assume she can withstand being crushed.
How this translates into battle: Given Tsunade's strength it is extremely likely she is going to be able to break through Kakuzu's earth armor. Beyond that we also know that she can turn her chakra into electricity and direct it to her hand via body pathway derangement, which would allow her to beat Earth. Furthermore, we know that medical jutsu doesn't need to pierce the skin to affect the inside of the body. In this way she can kill him too. That in addition to the fact that she could paralyze him with body pathway derangement.
In addition Kakuzu has five hearts. I imagine that when Tsunade punches him with her first punch his body will look like this.
That will kill three hearts as Kakuzu doesn't customarily start with his hearts separate from his body, but rather when his enemy figures out he has multiple hearts. At that point he'd have to keep one heart in his body while the other heart can be mobile. But then the issue arises of how well does he fight with only one arm and half a torso.
If Tsunade punches him in the head it's over.
If Kakuzu tried to grab Tsunade with his threads she can due the same thing she did to Orochimaru, damning Kakuzu.
We know her ability to tank is rather impressive especially given Byakugou no jutsu which would allow her to tank all of Kakuzu's attacks. Though his attacks don't have particular speed feats, she would probably be able to evade them.
If Hidan manages to get blood and Tsunade stands there and watches him make his ritualistic circle then he stabs himself (it took some time for Asuma to die) she'd release her seal and destroy that circle with
at which point she'd be pissed and she'd know his one ace in the hole and he'd be screwed. Though I doubt he'd touch her and I doubt even more she would allow him to make the circle. Especially given that her main method of combat is CQC. So she won't give him a moment of relief to draw his circle. With Byakugou active anything short of decapitation for himself will be unfruitful. But with Kakuzu out of the picture this seems unlikely. And he wouldn't just be dealing with Katsuyu anymore (who could have defeated him already via crushing, absorption, or melting) but also Tsunade. Hidan's first major challenge would be getting Tsunade's blood without being incapacitated.
I say Tsunade takes this battle.