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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    this chapter was weird 5/5
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    3/5, entertaining but not much too it. Ending was awesome though.

    Questions:
    -Why exactly was 'spiral' zetsu connected to the Gedo? Previous chapter he wasn't.
    -Why is Zetsu so willing to help him? Part of a plan by Madara? Possibly to have him activate the next stage(s) of his sharingan?
    -Where is Black Zetsu? He even created yet?
    -Is this the place Sasuke went to to kill the original white zetsu?
    -How much time has past since he last saw Kakashi?
    -How is it that he sees Kakashi kill Rin through his sharingan when he saw nothing before? Did something happen the moment Kakashi 'realized' he stabbed Rin?
    -At the end of the chapter, do Kakashi and Obito actually see each other? If so shouldn't of Kakashi known from the beginning who started this war? Especially when he versed him with Naruto,Shino, Kiba, etc.?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by siege View Post
    Kishi shows who kills Rin Obito is linked with zetsu and its who kills Rin Obito sees it before he get there but thinks he imagened it but its zetsus arm in Rins chest http://www.narutobase.net/manga/naruto/604/17
    This is a very good point, no one else saw this ? Wouldn't this make it fairly obvious that it is indeed Madara's work ? I don't think Obito seeing a vision of Rin killed by a root is insignificant, if it was just to trick us into thinking Madara, it adds nothing to the plot. More likely his vision is significant, he could see it and this is all Madara's work. That's who really killed Rin, but somehow they show it to Obito as if Kakashi kills her.

    Why do you think Zetsu is the one to warn Obito of Rin and Kakashi's endagerment in the first place, to be nice ? And it is probably Zetsu who has copied Kakashi's appearance, he can do that right ? I thought the entire scene could be an illusion, but with the root thing killing Rin, it would make sense that Kakashi is Zetsu. This is all Mada's plan, which is also why he's so sure of Obito's return. All this leaves Obito devoid of hope, makes sense, but I still don't see why he would be evil, as he's a good hearted guy like Naruto. Maybe he just doesn't care about the world anymore, and thinks he might as well help with Madara's plan, even if he doesn't believe it is for a good cause, he just doesn't care.

    I think Obito is Madara's lost cause to use, his despair, like he used Nagato too, ninja's he knows he can use and twist their thoughts. He probably tells Obito so many things, until he believes them, so he takes revenge on the Mist, Kakashi, on everyone, that he thinks is to blame. Partly to his own thoughts but also Madara twisting them. So really, Obito going along with Madara's plan and "becoming evil", is simply his revenge on the world, he doesn't have anything to care for anymore, and he might as well get his revenge. That's probably why he does what he does now. I'm not sure why he said "you let Rin die", if maybe Madara tells him he himself did it, but Obito still blames Kakashi in the end, because he -let- her die, Rin is dead, he has no cause or hope, and his friend Kakashi didn't save her, neither did Minato. Who knows.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    the arm in the Rin's chest is clearly of Kakashi... You can also see the same motive of the shirt in both the two pages, white on top, black under.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    This is going to be epic... :D
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Why does he say Kakashi let her die i can explain *THEORY TIME*

    *Kakashi after killing Rin by mistake*
    Rin: Kakashi why... why did you kill me
    Kakashi: Rin I.. I.. I'm sorry but i had to.
    Rin: Please help me....
    Kakashi: I have to leave like this Rin....
    Rin *starts to cry*
    Kakashi: I'll always remember you...
    *Obito comes out after Kakashi leaves*
    Obito: Rin....
    Rin: Obito your.. your alive
    Obito: Why did Kakashi kill you
    Rin: To join the
    Obito: JOIN THE FREAKING WHAT?
    Rin: A... Anbu...
    Obito: Rin I'll.. I'll save you
    Rin: Obito.. it's it's to late.... goodbye-
    Obito: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Kakashi accidentally kills Rin. Goes into rage mode killing the mist ninja but leaves Rin unattended and angry she got in his way maybe. Obito falls down on gorund and asks zetsu for power, turns into swirl thing. Tries to go save Rin, Minato comes to aid Kakashi and kicks Obitos ass without kakashi seeing (possibly still fighting mist ninja). Obito gets grudge against Minato for not being there for his students, hate kakashi for LETTING Rin die. Goes back to madara as Tobi, "My enemies are too strong, i need more power to make them pay, thank you for letting me see this side of the cruel world blah blah."

    This ladies and gentlemen ^^ my guess. I've seen some good theories too, but ultimatley lets just wait another week shall we?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Bahama View Post

    Clearly tears, yeah it's raining but you don't see a pool of water under Rin or Obito's eyes. He's crying for sure.
    notice no hidden mist ninjas around at all
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    kakashi is too good of a ninja to fall for a trick if he was really the 1 tht killed rin and not a zetsu clone he had a good reason like RIN WAS A TRADER r SPY
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    I think it was like this:
    Rin wanted to get killed by Kakashi!
    Kakashi and Rin knew they were surrounded by anbu etc.!
    And we all know that Rin loves Kakashi! The only way to survive a situation like this for those young ninjas is to activate kakashis ms!
    So Rin sacrificed herself in Order to activate it. Maybe she begged him to kill her, maybe she ran on purpose in his chidori ! I can't tell, but we will find out next week
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefHermit View Post
    lol its obvious those arent the real kakashi and rin,
    wheres minato? duh hes with his students, aka the real kakashi and rin.
    Idk, it makes since what ur saying but she did actually die and he was seeing it through his sharingan that is in kakashi. So I think that maybe the situation was REAL but set up by madara and obito being to blinded by pain and hurt to see it.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Does anyone know the time between obito waking up in madara's hideout and obito busting out to try and save kakashi and rin
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    wow I didn't expect that from kakashi killin Rin
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    scratch off the Itachi part
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by spideysenses View Post
    So this is how Kakashi achieved Mangekyou sharingang he killed Rin who is a really close friend.
    Then he would have used it in the in his fight with Itachi when they first encountered each other

    Quote Originally Posted by Chacho828 View Post
    I think kakashi is heartless and knew the only was to get the MS was to kill his bestfriend
    Just , NO.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    I love all of the theories. But I have to say that the most logical scenario is that Rin is a double agent for the hidden mist. Of course I would be wrong. But Kakashi being controlled doesn't seem very likely, nor does him accidentally killing Rin. He was definitely crying, so it had to be a mission to kill her because she was betraying the leaf.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Nah.... it was a clone zetsu who copy kakashi and rin the scene made by madara to finally convince obito to join him...
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Madara says "You will come back" I think that statement is a clue to Madara having a hand in what Obito saw.
    There could be a few possibilites considering the tools at Madara's disposal.
    He could have used Izanagi to make the scene happen, but this is very unlikely because Obito will obviously return to madara and I doubt that Kishi is going to have blind Madara teach Obitio.
    He could have used gennjutsu, on Obitio just to make him see that scene, but it also unlikely because obito is using his sharnigan and would probably see through a gentjutsu.
    Or Zetsu could have copied the chakra and everything of obito and rin to create that scene infront of him, but it is also unlikely because kakashi would probably remember Zetsu clinging to him to steal some chakra.
    So what I'm getting at is...... we won't know until Kishi tells us. Once again he trolled us with another ending that raises tons of questions
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605Predictions

    I think ur right, the zetsu's r all linked telepathicly sooo its very possible that rin is with a zetsu-kakashi clone thats showing obito what it see's. I'm thinking that if obito can see what kakashi see's then why hasnt kakashi seen things that obito see's like his training or where he is located through the years? N dont they use a four-man cell or formation? Sorry thats a diff topic.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    My guess is the Hidden Mist ninja(s) used the hiding in mist jutsu and/or some genjutsu on Kakashi. Kakashi sees Rin as an enemy and charges with Chidori, mist clears, Rin-shish-kabob on Kakashi-arm-skewer. I want to think Kakashi's still young enough that he could fall for such a trick. Otherwise, I don't think Kakashi would kill her intentionally, especially after Obito's "death" and his saving a comrade speech.

    But that's just my guess. We'll see for sure next week.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    fuc* shi* balls goddamn i want more!!! fukin chapter one week of waiting for absolutely 3 pages of interest! Just boring, im getting tired of naruto as much as i love it...but im growing tired! Give us the pure and raw details about tobi, it could be done by now...hurry that sh t up i want to see sasuke has to offer!!
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    I'm thinking either the mist was too thick for kakashi to see, or rin was doing something that made kakashi attack her, or genjutsu... or many other possibilities, very confusing, and very unexpected. And let's not forget that earlier Obito revealed why he is seeking revenge, he said to kakashi: "You LET rin die" ... never said he killed her... Or, maybe rin asked kakashi to do so, maybe she was a threat to the mission.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Now what if Sasuke killed Sakura like that?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    If you think about it, this tells us a lot about Kakashi. Think about how relelvant this is to the very first mission of squad 7 up against Zabuza of the mist. Kakashi knew his shit and how to fight him. Guess he learned his lesson.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Rin may have had Deidra's clay bomb inside her. Only electricity can deactivate it. Kekashi probably tried to save her life but her injuries may have been too severe and she died....therefore Kekashi let her die!!! Just a theory.
     
         

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