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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Man, I knew that something bad was going to happen, I even kept talking about having a bad feeling (b/c of the atmosphere of Kishi's writing, I can tell by now)
    but I never imagined this
    Now, the sharingan being linked to Kakashi's is probably the most ideal conclusion. I mean to say, how could zetsu show Obito any vision on the left side of his head without there being an eye? It's just not possible right?
    Well, in the narutoverse there could be a chakara link from the back of the mask to the brain, or even genjitsu or some shit, so let's put that to the side for now...

    Say it was Kakashi

    -why'd he do it? Was he under the influence of genjitsu? Did we purposely go back on his word to Obito because he's an antagonist? Rin being a traitor? etc etc etc etc etc........... until I die

    Say it wasn't Kakashi

    Probably a Zetsu clone.

    As to which one of these is most correct to me it's 50/50. Some parts of me going with the Sharingan theory, others going with the Zetsu clone theory.

    But yes, I did find it strange that there were no ninja around when they arrived on the battlefield. So that leans me towards the Zetsu clone theory a bit.

    Still 50/50 on it though ^_^
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by MellowHype View Post
    Everyone is jumping to conclusions. I believe Kakashi tried to use the incomplete Chidori again in the mist and hit Rin by accident. Then again, who were they fighting? No bodies on the battlefield whatsoever.
    see properly there are bodies in the background but out of focus the chidori was completed when he got the sharingan....
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    if u look at the last page it might just be me but it looks like kakashi is kind of looking away like he made a decision he didn't want to make
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Kakashi has tears in his eye in the last panel.. it was definitely Kakashi in sound mind who stabbed Rin. May be Rin got into some kind of strong genjutsu again by the enemy and had to be killed or something..
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    White zetsu says that he has clones everywhere and he uses them to send info to each other. Currently orbit is inside a zetsu. Is it possible that kakashi was a zetsu and the image of rin was transferred via zetsu information sharing? It is more logical than mysteriously seeing what a unattached eye sees.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    obito crying, rin smiling before death. gets angry goes 2 mazou and thanks madara dat's it
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    lol retard? Dude just stfu if you don't have any reasons alright? I am saying thats what happened in the anime. Which was right after the war. But in the manga they are showing Rin's chest penetrated by kakashi's chidori which did not happen in the anime. If you wanna say something to insult me keep it to yourself you are just wasting your time. But if you have a point against it i don't mind reading it. Got that bro?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by robert31393 View Post
    what does that have to do with now? are you on drugs?
    I'm just saying thats not what happened in the anime. In the anime after the war Rin was alive. But here during the war Rin is dead. Dude if you don't understand what i'm saying just ignore. No need to waste your time.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by MisterX View Post
    sorry, but when i read this, i thought to myself "what a retard.."

    how can there be such people posting here..:sy::flaw::flaw::flaw::sy::sy:

    lol retard? Dude just stfu if you don't have any reasons alright? I am saying thats what happened in the anime. Which was right after the war. But in the manga they are showing Rin's chest penetrated by kakashi's chidori which did not happen in the anime. If you wanna say something to insult me keep it to yourself you are just wasting your time. But if you have a point against it i don't mind reading it. Got that?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by konte811 View Post
    yeah this is months later buddy (evidenced by how long obitos hair grew. that doesn't happen in a few days or weeks even.)
    Oh alright. Thanks for verifying got insulted by two others few days back for one error..
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by reject101 View Post
    i did not say he was, someone else as saying he could have been, i was trying to say how he would not have been
    oh my bad , i quoted the wrong post
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Kakashi is not under genjutsu nor is it a zetsu clone. When itachi was reanimated sauske began to see things itachi was seeing therefore sharingans are linked to the original user. Obito saw what kakashi was seeing through HIS sharingan. there is no way he is a clone since there sharingans are linked. If anything it is plausable that it was a zetsu rin or an accident
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    possiblity kakashi was put in a predicament where he had to kill rin and rin might have been happy to die for the village
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    i think that it wasn't kakashi who killed rin, and it was a zetsu thing transformed in kakashi,and kakashi zetsu ambushed rin...
    the other prediction is that kakashi was on a genjutsu...
    it's hard to predict)
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    ...Whoa. Obito said Kakashi "let" Rin die. I never would've expected he actually killed her firsthand.

    Another thing I just thought about, disregarding the flame-patterned mask he wore before the current timeline and his reasons for making it, this implies that Obito's spiral mask was a living Zetsu clone. So, did that clone die when part of it was destroyed by Konan, ...or did Obito make a mask that looked like it later on?

    Regardless, great chapter, I can't wait til next Wednesday
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    maybe rin was under a genjutsu that caused her serious pain and kakashi wanted to end her suffering. or the mist ninja couldve been after information and kakashi had to prevent that. i dont think he could be under a genjustsu cuz he has the sharingan now. only someone with strong genjustsu(someone with another sharingan) could do that to kakash (correct me if im wrong).
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    here's what i think. zetsu said they were guinea pigs. the only thing i can think of that could apply is Ao is testing out his brand spanking new transplanted byakugan. and maybe kakashi thought he was fighting water clones. like that mizukage water mirror clone thing used on B and naruto, but like from a distance.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Sorry but I cant accept Rin as a traitor and Kakashi consciously killing her. Either one of them must have been controlled. If Rin was a traitor then why does Kakashi mourn her death? He saw Obito and Rin when he was on the verge of death after Pain killed him. Why would kakashi mourn her if she was a spy and not a legit comrade?
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605Predictions

    This might be true because kakashi already has the sharingan so he shuld be able to see 2ru the genjutsu but the probability of kakashi being a white zetsu is higher than rin.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Ignoring the hentai above, hello all. This is my first post, but I've been a Naruto fan since 2005, and have been checking out this forum for a few weeks. Anyways, I think this is a crazy chapter, maybe even more so than the Tobito reveal. I think there's something more to this, which seems to be the general consensus.

    I don't think that it's a genjutsu, it would be crazy if such an old Madara can have an effect on a battle so far away.

    Zetsu seems improbable too, since Kakashi's clearly crying.

    The traitor theory would work if it weren't for Obito's death, since Kakashi trying to keep his promise, would at the very least capture her, not kill.

    Mangekyo activation wouldn't work either since Kakashi isn't a heartless bastard.

    The last theory I've heard that doesn't make sense is that they were surrounded and Kakashi killed her to save Konoha secrets. Kakashi would give his life before doing that, because of his promise to Obito.

    The only one that kind of makes sense is the accidental fog kill, where he couldn't see and accidentally killed her, but that still doesn't seem right. Rin, being a medic-nin, wouldn't be near the line-of-fire, I'd think. Kakashi would also be much more careful, since he's already experienced a teammate's death, and that would cause anyone to think twice before any move.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Xaviour View Post
    Man, I knew that something bad was going to happen, I even kept talking about having a bad feeling (b/c of the atmosphere of Kishi's writing, I can tell by now)
    but I never imagined this
    Now, the sharingan being linked to Kakashi's is probably the most ideal conclusion. I mean to say, how could zetsu show Obito any vision on the left side of his head without there being an eye? It's just not possible right?
    Well, in the narutoverse there could be a chakara link from the back of the mask to the brain, or even genjitsu or some shit, so let's put that to the side for now...

    Say it was Kakashi

    -why'd he do it? Was he under the influence of genjitsu? Did we purposely go back on his word to Obito because he's an antagonist? Rin being a traitor? etc etc etc etc etc........... until I die

    Say it wasn't Kakashi

    Probably a Zetsu clone.

    As to which one of these is most correct to me it's 50/50. Some parts of me going with the Sharingan theory, others going with the Zetsu clone theory.

    But yes, I did find it strange that there were no ninja around when they arrived on the battlefield. So that leans me towards the Zetsu clone theory a bit.

    Still 50/50 on it though ^_^
    I posted on this once before, but it seems that thread was dumped since I can't find it.

    Anywho, information coming from your right eye is processed by the left side of your brain, and vice versa (it's called cross-lateralization). Consequently, if Zetsu were to somehow transmit visual stimuli to the right side of Obito's brain, Obito would "see" that as coming from his left (phantom) eye. Of course, it's extremely unlikely that this was going through Kishi's head when he wrote this.
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    maybe kakashi did it becase she carried some important info on the leaf so beacause he could not win against the mist he killed her just like how kisame killed that woman an the rest carrying information on is village
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    yeah right, kakashi hitting the "supposed to be" RIN with his raikiri and not a spill of blood? oh come on...take a look back kakashi hitting HAKU with the same technique back then, my theory is that Madara is all behind this, fooling Nagato, pretty much fooling Obito..
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    Isn't obvious that kakashi wasn't under genjutsu. Maybe rin (hypnotise/maybe she was a traitor) tried to kill him. And he thought he was in a genjutsu that's why he kept only his sharingan open. So he could focus, so i doubt that was a genjutsu on him or i doubt it was a zetsu
     
         

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    Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

    There are interesting arguments here. That Kakashi being a Zetsu clone might be possible. Would certainly explain why the Zetsus at the cave, who serve Madara, were so eager to get Obito to the war site.

    But although Kakashi did ask Obito "aren't you gonna blame me?!" I don't think it would make any sense for Kakashi to ask that if Kakashi had indeed killed her, cause it would obviously been his fault in that case. What Kakashi always said at the graves was "sorry that I couldn't protect Rin", like he wasn't there or wasn't strong enough to prevent it.

    When I first saw that image, of Kakashi killing Rin, it reminded me of one of Kisame's flashbacks, when he had to kill his squad mates to protect information.

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/507/10

    Could that have happened to Kakashi and Rin? At Kakashi Gainden Rin is a Medical Ninja. But some time later, she might have come to be a greater asset for some reason, too great an asset to fall in enemy hands... Although Kakashi had swore to protect her, he also is strict when it comes to follow the rules...

    Also, here we see Kisames death as a reason of pride on the eyes of Gai, Kakashi's rival.

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/508/14

    What do you think?
     
         

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