[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

[ffoott]

There are interesting arguments here. That Kakashi being a Zetsu clone might be possible. Would certainly explain why the Zetsus at the cave, who serve Madara, were so eager to get Obito to the war site.

But although Kakashi did ask Obito "aren't you gonna blame me?!" I don't think it would make any sense for Kakashi to ask that if Kakashi had indeed killed her, cause it would obviously been his fault in that case. What Kakashi always said at the graves was "sorry that I couldn't protect Rin", like he wasn't there or wasn't strong enough to prevent it.

When I first saw that image, of Kakashi killing Rin, it reminded me of one of Kisame's flashbacks, when he had to kill his squad mates to protect information.

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/507/10

Could that have happened to Kakashi and Rin? At Kakashi Gainden Rin is a Medical Ninja. But some time later, she might have come to be a greater asset for some reason, too great an asset to fall in enemy hands... Although Kakashi had swore to protect her, he also is strict when it comes to follow the rules...

Also, here we see Kisames death as a reason of pride on the eyes of Gai, Kakashi's rival.

http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/508/14

What do you think?

[TobiGirl]

I thought : "Kakashi WTF?!" but looking back to the manga and episodes u can tell that it's all Genjutsu.. Kakashi and Rin hasn't changed a bit from the mission... So i was like "Kishi, WTF?!"

[sleepinsleuth]

doesn't anyone care to weigh in on my kirigakure byakugan testing theory?

[1v1]

"Everything will be explained soon my children just be patient."

-Masashi Kishimoto

[abister90]

... everyone's answer for everything is ZETSU! Zetsu this... Zetsu that... Zetsu, Zetsu, Zetsu! Kakashi is NOT a Zetsu clone that killed Rin. People used to say that Tobi was 100% Zetsu before they new things.... people used to call other characters Zetsu before they got any information on anything. Zetsu can copy appearances... but he cannot copy attacks. If that were the case, Zetsu would be one of the strongest characters in the show!

It was Kakashi. Why did he kill Rin? Who knows!

[Naruto Power]

heres some predictions again not mine just passing the read.

Chapter 605

*Scene starts with a shocked Obito with tears in his eyes*

Obito whispering: Kakashi?! Why? Y-You were supposed to prote....

Spiral Zetsu interrupts: You have seen enough. Lets go back. This ninja world is full of flaws.

Obito crying: No, not now, I want to see, why has this happened!!

*A mist shinobi appears, injured looking at Kakashi*

Mist Shinobi: You bastard. How did you figure out she was one of our spies?

Kakashi: ...


Obito/Zetsu: ?!

Kakashi with tears: To be betrayed like this, by someone I considered a friend, Rin, did you ever have feelings for us? For Obito?

Rin (with blood in her mouth, choking): My parents were killed by the leaf as was my family. I grew hateful towards Konoha but after Obito's death, I learned that ... everyone is capable of both good and evil. When I was first assigned to my mission, I wanted revenge. Now, I have seen it all for myself. We are our own worst enemies. There will never be peace with this shinobi system. Loyalty to ones village is a poison.

Mist Shinobi/Kakashi/Obito/Zetsu: ?!?!

Rin: We'll do anything our village tells us.

Kakashi: That is our role as Shinobi! We are ...

Rin crying: We are children Kakashi, children. Not Shinobi. Children forced into a bitter world. Children who have had their parents killed and children now used by villages to kill. This system is evil. Peace can only exist within an illusion.

Obito: ?!?!

Rin crying more: I know how much you blame yourself for Obito. It wasn't your fault. He was forced into it. He died a fool believing he was protecting his village and friends, while it was the villages who created all the wars.

Obito/Kakashi: ....?!

Rin: He really was a fool. But .... I ... loved that fool.

Obito: ??!?!

Rin in her last moments: Obito, I can finally join you in peace.

Obito crying and whispering to himself: Rin please don't die, I'll save you! I'm coming.

*Obito is unable to move*

Obito: Zetsu, what are you doing, lets go.

Spiral: I'm afraid not. Look.

*both Obito and Zetsu look and see that Rin has become motionless*

Zetsu: She's dead. Lets go back to Madara.

*Obito and Zetsu enter the hideout. Obito is crying profusely*

Madara: They killed my brother and blamed it on me.

*Shocked Obito looks up to Madara*

Madara: I left the village shortly. Its a poison, this shinobi world. Peace can only be obtained through an illusion!

Obito: ?!?!?!

Madara: You should stay here boy. You have nothing left in Konoha, no parents, no friends.

Obito: I have Kakashi and Sens..

Madara: Don't be foolish child. You will come to lose them to, and what then? Stay here with me and we will both develop peace together.

Obito: ... I'm leaving as soon as I come strong enough on my own.

Madara thinks to himself: That's plenty of time to change you.

*Later, Obito is asleep when Spiral goes to Madara*

Spiral Zetsu: You orchestrated this didn't you?

Madara: We needed to give the boy a little perspective. He will come to accept soon enough.

Spiral Zetsu: What do you plan Madara, do you really think the moon's eye plan will give us peace?

Madara: Peace? What a rubbish word!

Zetsu: ?!?!

Madara: Its never been about peace.

*Madara smiles devilishly*

Madara: Its about immortality and power.

Chapter 606

*Flash back ended, scene focus on Kakashi*

Kakashi panting: Why ... after everything I've done and believed in, this is how it stacks up?

Obito: This Shinobi system is riddled with hate. You're beginning to understand Kakashi. Your father was a man who chose his friends over the order of his village elders. He was mocked for it and paid the ultimate price. Rin was a friend we cherished, a child soldier of war, being born into this hateful world. There was a time, you could say that I loved her.

Naruto: What is he talking about ???!

Obito: Sensei? Heh ? Another one groomed to be a solider. He excelled in his abilities but also paid the ultimate price didn't he.

Naruto: You were the one responsible for my fathers death! Stop your nonsense!

Obito: I did it for peace.

*Meanwhile, Madara is listening. However, he seems bored with their conversation*

Obito: And Kakashi, what about Sasuke?

Kakashi/Naruto: ?!?!

Obito: Another child soldier born in the wrong time. He was a disciple of yours. You should understand now.

Kakashi: ...

Obito: Your life is one of sadness and misery. Join me and we will give this world peace.

Kakashi: ....

Kakashi with his head down and his attitude deflated: My life is full of failures. Obito, what you said to me that day, about teamwork and friends, I held it very close to my heart. But now ... the very person I looked up to as an inspiration to the Shinobi world, stands before me now wanting peace in a different way. My father really was a hero. I lost him as a young boy, I was bitter. Sensei and Rin died young as well. Rin was never loyal to any village. She only completed her mission because she was promised safety at the end of it. Sensei gave his life to protect the people of Konoha. Sasuke is another one. As you said, a child soldier forced into a situation he didn't deserve. Maybe there was a meaning to Rin's words after all. Can peace really only be achieved in an illusion?

Naruto: KAKASHI YOU IDIOT!

*Naruto's thunderous voice is like a slap waking Kakashi up*

Naruto: ARE YOU HONESTLY LISTENING TO THIS RUBBISH!

Kurama thinking: hehehe, Naruto, you really are like the old man.

*Madara suddenly becomes interested*

Naruto: Just like you, I have also wanted to protect my friends. I learnt that from you!

Kakashi: ....

Naruto: I'm going to save Sasuke! Because that's what it means to being a friend!

Naruto: Master Jiriya believed that peace could be achieved at our own will! My father did so to and so do Nagato and Itachi!

Kakashi: ?! Itachi?

Naruto: He was the man who ended Edo Tensei!

Kakashi/Madara/Obito: ?!?!

Naruto: Kakashi, you are my teacher and if you ever utter that crap again, I'm going to PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE

Kakashi: ?!?

Naruto looks at Obito: I don't know who you are but ...

Naruto: Just look at the world. We are no longer villages. We are ONE! We are all comrades in this together!

Kakashi: ?!!!!!

Naruto: And Kakashi, taught me all of this. And I will be the 6th Hokage, believe it!!!!

*Naruto looks at Kakashi*

Naruto smiles: Kakashi, don't change. I'm glad you were my teacher!

*Kakashi smiles ....*

Naruto: Kakashi, I'm proud of you! And I know that my father would be as well!

*Kakashi is shocked, Gai is in tears and Killerbee screams with excitement*

Naruto: I will end all the pain and suffering. We will become friends and move on together! At our own will!

Naruto: Lets do this!!!!

Killerbee: Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[NarutoandSasuke1]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...44577102_n.jpgwould have never expected kakashi to kill rin!!

[The God]

Well there is smoke everywhere in the background it is also possible during this smoke Kakashi may have intended to hit the enemy and got Rin by accident.

Its also possible that Zetsu cloned Rin and attacked Kakashi and Kakashi attacked the wrong Rin?!?

[BattleaxeDawg]

Has anyone thought it could be a mist ninja using a transformation to lower rins guard and kill her?...

[Priyam Bhowmick]

next chp. would be a very interesting 1.

[princessfaye26]

if kakashi was in some kind of genjutsu, then how come he's crying while his hands still buried on rin's body?...

[princessfaye26]

if kakashi was under some kind of jutsu, then why wide-eyed expression and the tears?

[sasukefreako]

Cant for the next week.
But any of you noticed that kakashi had tears in his eyes ?

http://animesnetworks.blogspot.com/2...dications.html

Here is the source.

[Sentinelsgalore]

heres some predictions again not mine just passing the read.

Chapter 605

*Scene starts with a shocked Obito with tears in his eyes*

Obito whispering: Kakashi?! Why? Y-You were supposed to prote....

Spiral Zetsu interrupts: You have seen enough. Lets go back. This ninja world is full of flaws.

Obito crying: No, not now, I want to see, why has this happened!!

*A mist shinobi appears, injured looking at Kakashi*

Mist Shinobi: You bastard. How did you figure out she was one of our spies?

Kakashi: ...


Obito/Zetsu: ?!

Kakashi with tears: To be betrayed like this, by someone I considered a friend, Rin, did you ever have feelings for us? For Obito?

Rin (with blood in her mouth, choking): My parents were killed by the leaf as was my family. I grew hateful towards Konoha but after Obito's death, I learned that ... everyone is capable of both good and evil. When I was first assigned to my mission, I wanted revenge. Now, I have seen it all for myself. We are our own worst enemies. There will never be peace with this shinobi system. Loyalty to ones village is a poison.

Mist Shinobi/Kakashi/Obito/Zetsu: ?!?!

Rin: We'll do anything our village tells us.

Kakashi: That is our role as Shinobi! We are ...

Rin crying: We are children Kakashi, children. Not Shinobi. Children forced into a bitter world. Children who have had their parents killed and children now used by villages to kill. This system is evil. Peace can only exist within an illusion.

Obito: ?!?!

Rin crying more: I know how much you blame yourself for Obito. It wasn't your fault. He was forced into it. He died a fool believing he was protecting his village and friends, while it was the villages who created all the wars.

Obito/Kakashi: ....?!

Rin: He really was a fool. But .... I ... loved that fool.

Obito: ??!?!

Rin in her last moments: Obito, I can finally join you in peace.

Obito crying and whispering to himself: Rin please don't die, I'll save you! I'm coming.

*Obito is unable to move*

Obito: Zetsu, what are you doing, lets go.

Spiral: I'm afraid not. Look.

*both Obito and Zetsu look and see that Rin has become motionless*

Zetsu: She's dead. Lets go back to Madara.

*Obito and Zetsu enter the hideout. Obito is crying profusely*

Madara: They killed my brother and blamed it on me.

*Shocked Obito looks up to Madara*

Madara: I left the village shortly. Its a poison, this shinobi world. Peace can only be obtained through an illusion!

Obito: ?!?!?!

Madara: You should stay here boy. You have nothing left in Konoha, no parents, no friends.

Obito: I have Kakashi and Sens..

Madara: Don't be foolish child. You will come to lose them to, and what then? Stay here with me and we will both develop peace together.

Obito: ... I'm leaving as soon as I come strong enough on my own.

Madara thinks to himself: That's plenty of time to change you.

*Later, Obito is asleep when Spiral goes to Madara*

Spiral Zetsu: You orchestrated this didn't you?

Madara: We needed to give the boy a little perspective. He will come to accept soon enough.

Spiral Zetsu: What do you plan Madara, do you really think the moon's eye plan will give us peace?

Madara: Peace? What a rubbish word!

Zetsu: ?!?!

Madara: Its never been about peace.

*Madara smiles devilishly*

Madara: Its about immortality and power.

Chapter 606

*Flash back ended, scene focus on Kakashi*

Kakashi panting: Why ... after everything I've done and believed in, this is how it stacks up?

Obito: This Shinobi system is riddled with hate. You're beginning to understand Kakashi. Your father was a man who chose his friends over the order of his village elders. He was mocked for it and paid the ultimate price. Rin was a friend we cherished, a child soldier of war, being born into this hateful world. There was a time, you could say that I loved her.

Naruto: What is he talking about ???!

Obito: Sensei? Heh ? Another one groomed to be a solider. He excelled in his abilities but also paid the ultimate price didn't he.

Naruto: You were the one responsible for my fathers death! Stop your nonsense!

Obito: I did it for peace.

*Meanwhile, Madara is listening. However, he seems bored with their conversation*

Obito: And Kakashi, what about Sasuke?

Kakashi/Naruto: ?!?!

Obito: Another child soldier born in the wrong time. He was a disciple of yours. You should understand now.

Kakashi: ...

Obito: Your life is one of sadness and misery. Join me and we will give this world peace.

Kakashi: ....

Kakashi with his head down and his attitude deflated: My life is full of failures. Obito, what you said to me that day, about teamwork and friends, I held it very close to my heart. But now ... the very person I looked up to as an inspiration to the Shinobi world, stands before me now wanting peace in a different way. My father really was a hero. I lost him as a young boy, I was bitter. Sensei and Rin died young as well. Rin was never loyal to any village. She only completed her mission because she was promised safety at the end of it. Sensei gave his life to protect the people of Konoha. Sasuke is another one. As you said, a child soldier forced into a situation he didn't deserve. Maybe there was a meaning to Rin's words after all. Can peace really only be achieved in an illusion?

Naruto: KAKASHI YOU IDIOT!

*Naruto's thunderous voice is like a slap waking Kakashi up*

Naruto: ARE YOU HONESTLY LISTENING TO THIS RUBBISH!

Kurama thinking: hehehe, Naruto, you really are like the old man.

*Madara suddenly becomes interested*

Naruto: Just like you, I have also wanted to protect my friends. I learnt that from you!

Kakashi: ....

Naruto: I'm going to save Sasuke! Because that's what it means to being a friend!

Naruto: Master Jiriya believed that peace could be achieved at our own will! My father did so to and so do Nagato and Itachi!

Kakashi: ?! Itachi?

Naruto: He was the man who ended Edo Tensei!

Kakashi/Madara/Obito: ?!?!

Naruto: Kakashi, you are my teacher and if you ever utter that crap again, I'm going to PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE

Kakashi: ?!?

Naruto looks at Obito: I don't know who you are but ...

Naruto: Just look at the world. We are no longer villages. We are ONE! We are all comrades in this together!

Kakashi: ?!!!!!

Naruto: And Kakashi, taught me all of this. And I will be the 6th Hokage, believe it!!!!

*Naruto looks at Kakashi*

Naruto smiles: Kakashi, don't change. I'm glad you were my teacher!

*Kakashi smiles ....*

Naruto: Kakashi, I'm proud of you! And I know that my father would be as well!

*Kakashi is shocked, Gai is in tears and Killerbee screams with excitement*

Naruto: I will end all the pain and suffering. We will become friends and move on together! At our own will!

Naruto: Lets do this!!!!

Killerbee: Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

+ rep, pretty good but I still cant buy Rin as a spy.

[princessfaye26]

what the heck??? but why? kakashi of the sharingan? demmit!

[Valen]

Mind****

[karan1301]

what if RIn is still alive.....
It was just to fool everyone else that she died..

[punj]

I predict that two white zetsu copied kakashi's and rin chakra, turned into them and staged that scene. We don't see any mist ninjas, we don't see anyone. Also kakashi isn't the one to get caught into genjutsu so simple. But who knows, I might be wrong.

This!!

[lion fang master]

Its nice to start getting good chaps again. now I thought sasuke was delusional now we have obito . Zetsu is absolutely behide this and I really want to know how madara survived.

[Xaviour]

What if Obito's MS abilities activited, because of his close proximity with Kakashi and the senju body armor, and that caused Kakashi's arm, in the middle of an attack against a hidden mist ninja, to be sent to another dimension/towards the object Obito was thinking about the most....Rin...

So Rin died to an accident? lol

It's a very plasuable theory, but I just don't see it happening. But all of this really is sort of a mind f***, Kakashi all those times at the memorial was thinking about how he killed Rin. Yikes

That is, if he actually did it (I'm personally split 50/50 on it, see my other thread for debate on that matter)

[Yugito]

Also I really don't think that Kakashi was a Zetsu clone because of Obito sharing vision with Kakashi's sharingan, it wouldn't make sense if it was a clone. Rin totally could have been, but I still don't think that is the case.

actuall i just thought about this after u said this. there is a possibility even just a little that Kakashi was a zetsu clone because think about it zetsu can share what he is seeing or has seen and since Obito is covered in zetsu goo zetsu can easily make it seem like he saw it through the Sharingan, but the only thing that could make this an impossibility is the sight of kakashi crying but even at that zetsu is good at acting like the person he has transformed into really well

[Rhyzo]

I'm very sure this incident is somehow related to Madara. Maybe he made the Zetsus transform into Kakashi and Rin and made them stage a show to let Obito help him complete his whatever plan. Well we never know.

[lion fang master]

i wonder how madara would feel once he finds out that his precious obito was'nt the one that revived him and it was the doing of kabuto and orochimaru. Also does this means that all the masks that we have seen so far are from mr senju himself shame on madara for using someone dna like these

[wolfx]

i wonder how madara would feel once he finds out that his precious obito was'nt the one that revived him and it was the doing of kabuto and orochimaru. Also does this means that all the masks that we have seen so far are from mr senju himself shame on madara for using someone dna like these

??what??

[Dann]

I've been farting like a dead body for he past 15 minutes non stop. And its the hot farts that burn a little so you know damn well my anus is being tormented