[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

[cryhwks]

I was thinking Madara looks really old & he looks like he's been that way for a while. So who was the "Madara" that Kisame meet when he 1st got Samehada? Because that Madara looked like his younger version.

[sleepinsleuth]

it seems evident to me that kakashi thought he was fighting a water clone and Ao was the one responsible. 1st the "guinea pig" Ao is the only one i can think of that could refer to a kirigakure guinea pig. 2nd zetsu said they were surrounded. they didn't look surrounded to me, but that could just mean they're surrounded from a distance. more evidence pointing to Ao and his new byakugan. 3rd those floating bubbles. if you would, you would notice that those bubble are only positioned around rin. not kakashi. if this is a jutsu like the 4th's water mirror clone. and those bubble were floating water turning into kakashi and rin. it can stand that kakashi got confused and thought he was attacking a clone. or they're going to pan out from kakashi's tear and see him turn into a water clone. obito getting zetsued away just before; clearly.

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

What if Obito told Kakashi his story and then Kakashi Looked at him and said :o Obito Rin IS NOT DEAD

[Nikashu]

heres some predictions again not mine just passing the read.

Chapter 605

*Scene starts with a shocked Obito with tears in his eyes*

Obito whispering: Kakashi?! Why? Y-You were supposed to prote....

Spiral Zetsu interrupts: You have seen enough. Lets go back. This ninja world is full of flaws.

Obito crying: No, not now, I want to see, why has this happened!!

*A mist shinobi appears, injured looking at Kakashi*

Mist Shinobi: You bastard. How did you figure out she was one of our spies?

Kakashi: ...


Obito/Zetsu: ?!

Kakashi with tears: To be betrayed like this, by someone I considered a friend, Rin, did you ever have feelings for us? For Obito?

Rin (with blood in her mouth, choking): My parents were killed by the leaf as was my family. I grew hateful towards Konoha but after Obito's death, I learned that ... everyone is capable of both good and evil. When I was first assigned to my mission, I wanted revenge. Now, I have seen it all for myself. We are our own worst enemies. There will never be peace with this shinobi system. Loyalty to ones village is a poison.

Mist Shinobi/Kakashi/Obito/Zetsu: ?!?!

Rin: We'll do anything our village tells us.

Kakashi: That is our role as Shinobi! We are ...

Rin crying: We are children Kakashi, children. Not Shinobi. Children forced into a bitter world. Children who have had their parents killed and children now used by villages to kill. This system is evil. Peace can only exist within an illusion.

Obito: ?!?!

Rin crying more: I know how much you blame yourself for Obito. It wasn't your fault. He was forced into it. He died a fool believing he was protecting his village and friends, while it was the villages who created all the wars.

Obito/Kakashi: ....?!

Rin: He really was a fool. But .... I ... loved that fool.

Obito: ??!?!

Rin in her last moments: Obito, I can finally join you in peace.

Obito crying and whispering to himself: Rin please don't die, I'll save you! I'm coming.

*Obito is unable to move*

Obito: Zetsu, what are you doing, lets go.

Spiral: I'm afraid not. Look.

*both Obito and Zetsu look and see that Rin has become motionless*

Zetsu: She's dead. Lets go back to Madara.

*Obito and Zetsu enter the hideout. Obito is crying profusely*

Madara: They killed my brother and blamed it on me.

*Shocked Obito looks up to Madara*

Madara: I left the village shortly. Its a poison, this shinobi world. Peace can only be obtained through an illusion!

Obito: ?!?!?!

Madara: You should stay here boy. You have nothing left in Konoha, no parents, no friends.

Obito: I have Kakashi and Sens..

Madara: Don't be foolish child. You will come to lose them to, and what then? Stay here with me and we will both develop peace together.

Obito: ... I'm leaving as soon as I come strong enough on my own.

Madara thinks to himself: That's plenty of time to change you.

*Later, Obito is asleep when Spiral goes to Madara*

Spiral Zetsu: You orchestrated this didn't you?

Madara: We needed to give the boy a little perspective. He will come to accept soon enough.

Spiral Zetsu: What do you plan Madara, do you really think the moon's eye plan will give us peace?

Madara: Peace? What a rubbish word!

Zetsu: ?!?!

Madara: Its never been about peace.

*Madara smiles devilishly*

Madara: Its about immortality and power.

Chapter 606

*Flash back ended, scene focus on Kakashi*

Kakashi panting: Why ... after everything I've done and believed in, this is how it stacks up?

Obito: This Shinobi system is riddled with hate. You're beginning to understand Kakashi. Your father was a man who chose his friends over the order of his village elders. He was mocked for it and paid the ultimate price. Rin was a friend we cherished, a child soldier of war, being born into this hateful world. There was a time, you could say that I loved her.

Naruto: What is he talking about ???!

Obito: Sensei? Heh ? Another one groomed to be a solider. He excelled in his abilities but also paid the ultimate price didn't he.

Naruto: You were the one responsible for my fathers death! Stop your nonsense!

Obito: I did it for peace.

*Meanwhile, Madara is listening. However, he seems bored with their conversation*

Obito: And Kakashi, what about Sasuke?

Kakashi/Naruto: ?!?!

Obito: Another child soldier born in the wrong time. He was a disciple of yours. You should understand now.

Kakashi: ...

Obito: Your life is one of sadness and misery. Join me and we will give this world peace.

Kakashi: ....

Kakashi with his head down and his attitude deflated: My life is full of failures. Obito, what you said to me that day, about teamwork and friends, I held it very close to my heart. But now ... the very person I looked up to as an inspiration to the Shinobi world, stands before me now wanting peace in a different way. My father really was a hero. I lost him as a young boy, I was bitter. Sensei and Rin died young as well. Rin was never loyal to any village. She only completed her mission because she was promised safety at the end of it. Sensei gave his life to protect the people of Konoha. Sasuke is another one. As you said, a child soldier forced into a situation he didn't deserve. Maybe there was a meaning to Rin's words after all. Can peace really only be achieved in an illusion?

Naruto: KAKASHI YOU IDIOT!

*Naruto's thunderous voice is like a slap waking Kakashi up*

Naruto: ARE YOU HONESTLY LISTENING TO THIS RUBBISH!

Kurama thinking: hehehe, Naruto, you really are like the old man.

*Madara suddenly becomes interested*

Naruto: Just like you, I have also wanted to protect my friends. I learnt that from you!

Kakashi: ....

Naruto: I'm going to save Sasuke! Because that's what it means to being a friend!

Naruto: Master Jiriya believed that peace could be achieved at our own will! My father did so to and so do Nagato and Itachi!

Kakashi: ?! Itachi?

Naruto: He was the man who ended Edo Tensei!

Kakashi/Madara/Obito: ?!?!

Naruto: Kakashi, you are my teacher and if you ever utter that crap again, I'm going to PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE

Kakashi: ?!?

Naruto looks at Obito: I don't know who you are but ...

Naruto: Just look at the world. We are no longer villages. We are ONE! We are all comrades in this together!

Kakashi: ?!!!!!

Naruto: And Kakashi, taught me all of this. And I will be the 6th Hokage, believe it!!!!

*Naruto looks at Kakashi*

Naruto smiles: Kakashi, don't change. I'm glad you were my teacher!

*Kakashi smiles ....*

Naruto: Kakashi, I'm proud of you! And I know that my father would be as well!

*Kakashi is shocked, Gai is in tears and Killerbee screams with excitement*

Naruto: I will end all the pain and suffering. We will become friends and move on together! At our own will!

Naruto: Lets do this!!!!

Killerbee: Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

That got seemingly worse as it went along ._.

[TheAdamSlasher]

is 605 out today (tuesday) or tomorrow (wednesday)

[Sentinelsgalore]

is 605 out today (tuesday) or tomorrow (wednesday)

Normally Wednesday but sometimes its released on Tuesday.

[Yugito]

Why does he say Kakashi let her die i can explain *THEORY TIME*

*Kakashi after killing Rin by mistake*
Rin: Kakashi why... why did you kill me
Kakashi: Rin I.. I.. I'm sorry but i had to.
Rin: Please help me....
Kakashi: I have to leave like this Rin....
Rin *starts to cry*
Kakashi: I'll always remember you...
*Obito comes out after Kakashi leaves*
Obito: Rin....
Rin: Obito your.. your alive
Obito: Why did Kakashi kill you
Rin: To join the
Obito: JOIN THE FREAKING WHAT?
Rin: A... Anbu...
Obito: Rin I'll.. I'll save you
Rin: Obito.. it's it's to late.... goodbye-
Obito: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ROFL you got to be kidding me that makes no sense if that was the only way to join the anbu then Kakashi would have dropped it all together and not join

[Yugito]

What if Obito told Kakashi his story and then Kakashi Looked at him and said :o Obito Rin IS NOT DEAD

he wont because when he died temporarily by pain kakashi said he could finally join rin obito and minato so rin is dead

[Yugito]

actually i just thought about this. there is a possibility even just a little that Kakashi was a zetsu clone because think about it zetsu can share what he is seeing or has seen and since Obito is covered in zetsu goo zetsu can easily make it seem like he saw it through the Sharingan, but the only thing that could make this an impossibility is the sight of kakashi crying but even at that zetsu is good at acting like the person he has transformed into really well

plus zetsu says in this chapter that one of his comrades (being a zetsu clone) was there well he is not seen at the scene so could it be possible that he was disguised as Kakashi?

[Sentinelsgalore]

For me, this is a make or break chapter for Kishi. Kakashi is my fav character and if Kishi screws him up then Im done.

[fuutonrasenshuriken]

Kakashi chidori Rin on accident, knowing that Rin won't make it Kakashi ran off so no leaf ninjas or Minato would see Kakashi kill Rin. Therefore Obito saying "U let Rin die" to Kakashi, Kakashi being surprised not because of Rin's death but wondering how Obito know what happen to Rin even though Kakashi think that Obito die during that time. In conclusion Uchihas betray Uchihas.

[The Injustice]

There's a reason for everything. She might just have been a spy for the hidden mist. that might explain the explosions and no bodies. and why Kakashi was crying.

[EternalMangeykouSharingan]

i think it was something like nagato konan and yahiko thingy. maybe the ninjas was like one of you must kill each other or somthing.... and rin told kakashi juss kill me and i can be with obito.... to juss short it up i think rin wanted kakashi to kill her instead of both of them dyiny

[ibzuchiha]

ive always hated kakashi but i never knew why and now i know because that m!#$%^&%$%^r killed rin

[senninferdy]

Someone theorized that the vision that Obito had of Rin dying was from Kakashi's eye, but I would think it is not possible for the Sharingans to link that way otherwise, Kakashi would likely have envisioned Obito's point of view at some point and show it in the manga or at least show that he is disturbed by it. But Kakashi did not ever show such signs.

It makes sense that Kakashi is actually a Zetsu since Zetsus can communicate telepathically with each other at a certain distance and therefore, they can share vision (visual information) together.

yes,this post makes perfect since because the side of obito which was grafted with hashirama\zetsu dna is on thesame side of obito s sharingan.that could imply that a zetsu clone with the appearance of kakashi sent obito that image of rin dying through telepathy...anyway, we will know better the real story in upcoming chapters

[Ewela]

Obito looks like Mowgli :mad: :sy:

I hope those flashbacks will end soon...

[Sanin Hokage]

What i didnt understand was the whole destruction going on from afar that obito witnessed while going to Kakashi and Rin? And also does senju powers mixed with uchiha powers allow a link between the two sharingans of obito and kakashi when they are close enough? or is it like all the people here have suggested that Spiral Zetsu is feeding information into the part of Zetsu inserted inside Obito

[HG Swells]

Nice to see all the future threads starting to come together. Good chapter.

Liked
- Cover page was pretty wonderful.
- Obito drawing upon the power of the Gedo Mazo, explaining his later performance.
- Madara's ominous words.
- The revelation that there are other Zetsu clones around granting them information, explaining how Madara could know so much despite being stuck underground.
- That ending with Kakashi and Rin, who I'm of the opinion are Zetsu clones.

Disliked
- Obito somehow seeing what his lost eye sees.

[kagekamiha]

i think that kakashi and rin were about to get down and when he reached for her boob he got to excited..

[shubhajeet2107]

Umm soon..we would know how Kakashi got his MS and Obito also got MS.. i think that Obito's and kakashi's Eyes are linked as they are same... so its only kakashi who awakened the MS by killing Rin.. and obito just inherited it.. because he is sharing the same eyes as kakashi.. just a thought.. and this is for sure that Rin would be a traitor,thats why kakashi killed her..

[LeEvilTongue]

I needs to be more than zetsu clones or genjutsu by Madara; otherwise Obito can be defeated by TnJ. -.- Picture the final villain to go down like that.

[1v1]

Why didn't Obito try and take his eye back from Kakashi?

[Deusey]

I am going to have to say off of pure speculation like many others, that Rin was a traitor of the Mist. Obito is adhering to Madara's plan of Infinite Tsukuyomi because he wants to remove the reality he is living in, the reality that his cherished friend, Rin, is a traitor, a victim of the war that was killed at the hands of his best friend.

Maybe he doesn't want to accept this reality and this is his only way of dealing with it? so no one ever has to go through what he had to.