Who really killed Rin? Naruto chapter 604 discusion....

[Xentinel]

New theory I just came up with which explain Obito/Tobi. This theory has also been made by zenkutsu a few months ago. Here: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=200292

Similar to the theory made by zen, Kakashi could probably attained the MS by killing Rin. That's how Itachi gained his MS by killing Shisui. And that's how both of Madara and Izuna gained MS too. Until today, we still havent know the clear reason how Kakashi gained the MS.

But some may argued, that MS can be awaken by adversely emotionally affected through hatred and so on. Which to me is hard to believe. Sasuke could probably awaken his MS when he saw his parents get killed. So you're telling me, that sasuke still got his emotion stable when he seeing his precious loved ones get killed. Worst, killed by his own brother?

I would like to relate this theory to the Obito/Tobi.
:> Kakashi gained MS by killing his best friend. Most possible is Rin.

It is hard to believe this even if this really going to happen next release. Kakashi is a firm and wise ninja that has a strong belief. He is strict in his belief and he always put comrade first then the ninja rules. So it might unlikely. Though, who knows there might be a twist? Plus, I dont think that Kakashi got suddenly crazy over power and killed Rin just to gain MS for his benefits. Maybe like how Itachi and Shisui case. We saw that Itachi was reluctant to kill him but Shisui left him no choice. Similarly, Kakashi and Rin were in the same situation maybe which Idk?

:> Obito and Kakashi has the same eye. Has a connected and linked dimension

Ofcos, when Kakashi gained MS .. which i think Obito will gained too since it is connected. When a right side gained the left side will gained too regardless who the user is. right?

:> Obito learnt about this - took the path of vengeance.

Became Tobi duh.

[' ~ Dantee ~ ']

Definetly a twist but that is way beneath Kakashis character unless he had a good reason. I also don't believe that they could unlocked MS at the same time

[PresidentBush]

In the original naruto before Shippuden he said that "Everyone he cares about is dead" he never specified how they died. But that in no way proves that he killed Rin, I find it hard to believe that the one who defeated 50 enemy ninja in the invasion of konoha by orochimaru would suddenly go berserk and kill one of the most precious people in his life.

[Knightuchiha]

so you think that the same guy who said "I wont allow my comrades to die" in part one killed one his comrades just to gain MS... seems legit

[natssuu]

I think it's the other way around, that Obito killed Rin.

[Punch]

Guys maybe she jumped in the way of his Kunai or some shit.

Maybe it was like Nagato where the enemy is like kill her, then hes like no and she jumps ass cheeks first in to the kunai

[Narutohokage7]

Itachi didn't kill Shisui..

[apple pie of doom]

With his ''lightning rod'' ammirite guys?

[Braveknight]

well what iam sure about that rin is dead. why? before kakashi dies he said he failed to protect obito and rin , which means she dead . he does not need to kill to get his ms simply watching his best friend dieing is a other way to get ms which kakashi saw rin dieing unlocked his ms

[kabutobi nara]

i think maybe she unlocked it protecting him, kinda like haku protecting zabuza. right in front of his eye's, trauma like that might unlock MS

[realobito1]

I think maybe perhaps obito/tobi maybe killed rin himself and when this happened he awakend the MS and kakashi having the other eye had his wakened and did not realize why but he was cool with it because he got a new jutsu

[gordo1]

I doubt he'd kill Rin.

[nj tandi]

Firstly,Itachi did NOT kill Shisui.
Secondly,according to Kakashi Rin was dead before the events of Naruto started.Otherwise we would have seen her around. Kakashi only used the Mangekyou sharingan in Shippuden.If he had it before, he works have used it against Itachi.
Therefore, Kakashi did not kill Rin.

[NightRange]

Obito killing Rin makes much sense

[Hippy]

No I personally think he got MS out of no where when obito awakened his simultaneously.

[Xentinel]

so you think that the same guy who said "I wont allow my comrades to die" in part one killed one his comrades just to gain MS... seems legit

As i said above, its hard to believe. Plus, he didnt became crazy over power and killed Rin for his benefit.

I think it's the other way around, that Obito killed Rin.

Cannot be. Kakashi even said that he failed to protect Rin or something. So he knew about Rin's death. Also, why obito joined the bad side if he killed rin?

Itachi didn't kill Shisui..

He get MS by killing him that is what he told Sasuke. Maybe is a lie or maybe the truth. If he didnt kill shisui, then how he gained MS? Got MS by watching he dead?

[sLm]

well what iam sure about that rin is dead. why? before kakashi dies he said he failed to protect obito and rin , which means she dead .

haha, Obito also was supossed to be dead . Maybe there are 2 Tobis, and they are Obito and Rin LOLOLO

[Xentinel]

Firstly,Itachi did NOT kill Shisui.
Secondly,according to Kakashi Rin was dead before the events of Naruto started.Otherwise we would have seen her around. Kakashi only used the Mangekyou sharingan in Shippuden.If he had it before, he works have used it against Itachi.
Therefore, Kakashi did not kill Rin.

Im sure there must be a reason behind it.
What if he refused to use MS? As he got the MS at the expense of killing Rin. But maybe somehow he use it because he felt that using the MS was important in saving the world. Like deidara wanted to get Naruto. And if Rin still alive, she would want him to use too for the sake of peace. I seriously dont know. But im sure kishi got all the reasons behind this.

[jemlon]

New theory I just came up with which explain Obito/Tobi. This theory has also been made by zenkutsu a few months ago. Here: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=200292

Similar to the theory made by zen, Kakashi could probably attained the MS by killing Rin. That's how Itachi gained his MS by killing Shisui. And that's how both of Madara and Izuna gained MS too. Until today, we still havent know the clear reason how Kakashi gained the MS.

But some may argued, that MS can be awaken by adversely emotionally affected through hatred and so on. Which to me is hard to believe. Sasuke could probably awaken his MS when he saw his parents get killed. So you're telling me, that sasuke still got his emotion stable when he seeing his precious loved ones get killed. Worst, killed by his own brother?

I would like to relate this theory to the Obito/Tobi.
:> Kakashi gained MS by killing his best friend. Most possible is Rin.

It is hard to believe this even if this really going to happen next release. Kakashi is a firm and wise ninja that has a strong belief. He is strict in his belief and he always put comrade first then the ninja rules. So it might unlikely. Though, who knows there might be a twist? Plus, I dont think that Kakashi got suddenly crazy over power and killed Rin just to gain MS for his benefits. Maybe like how Itachi and Shisui case. We saw that Itachi was reluctant to kill him but Shisui left him no choice. Similarly, Kakashi and Rin were in the same situation maybe which Idk?

:> Obito and Kakashi has the same eye. Has a connected and linked dimension

Ofcos, when Kakashi gained MS .. which i think Obito will gained too since it is connected. When a right side gained the left side will gained too regardless who the user is. right?

:> Obito learnt about this - took the path of vengeance.

Became Tobi duh.

I think you dont read your manga, Itachi never kill Shisui, he gave his sharingan to Itachi, where in tha manga confirms that he killed Shisui. Kakashi din't have MS till in the fight against Deidara! he gain MS because the sharingan of Tobi gained MS. And Sasuke never killed his bestfriend just to gain MS, it was given to him by Itachi.

Kakashi promised Obito that he will watch on Rin so how can he kill rin! I bet kakashi dont have an idea how he got MS!

[Mante]

Sasuke activated it through his "Hate" and stuff..

Similarly, Obito activated it through his "Hate" .etc.. - thus activating Kakashi's MS too. I know Rin's dissaparence is the problem here. But I thought I saw her from some where after the death of 3rd hokage.

[natssuu]

Cannot be. Kakashi even said that he failed to protect Rin or something. So he knew about Rin's death. Also, why obito joined the bad side if he killed rin?

It doesn't mean that Kakashi knows how she died.

Obito loved Rin, but she was only interested in Kakashi. That's why Obito realized that he must erase his emotions, because they let him down. It's the same with Sasuke, he wanted to break his every bond because he didn't want suffer anymore. Also I'm certain that Obito was highly influenced by the person who saved him from those boulders.

[drxdroopy]

kakashi wouldnt do that

[Michael0master]

New theory I just came up with which explain Obito/Tobi. This theory has also been made by zenkutsu a few months ago.

Similar to the theory made by zen, Kakashi could probably attained the MS by killing Rin. That's how Itachi gained his MS by killing Shisui. And that's how both of Madara and Izuna gained MS too. Until today, we still havent know the clear reason how Kakashi gained the MS.

But some may argued, that MS can be awaken by adversely emotionally affected through hatred and so on. Which to me is hard to believe. Sasuke could probably awaken his MS when he saw his parents get killed. So you're telling me, that sasuke still got his emotion stable when he seeing his precious loved ones get killed. Worst, killed by his own brother?

I would like to relate this theory to the Obito/Tobi.
:> Kakashi gained MS by killing his best friend. Most possible is Rin.

It is hard to believe this even if this really going to happen next release. Kakashi is a firm and wise ninja that has a strong belief. He is strict in his belief and he always put comrade first then the ninja rules. So it might unlikely. Though, who knows there might be a twist? Plus, I dont think that Kakashi got suddenly crazy over power and killed Rin just to gain MS for his benefits. Maybe like how Itachi and Shisui case. We saw that Itachi was reluctant to kill him but Shisui left him no choice. Similarly, Kakashi and Rin were in the same situation maybe which Idk?

:> Obito and Kakashi has the same eye. Has a connected and linked dimension

Ofcos, when Kakashi gained MS .. which i think Obito will gained too since it is connected. When a right side gained the left side will gained too regardless who the user is. right?

:> Obito learnt about this - took the path of vengeance.

Became Tobi duh.

Kakashi and Rin joined together the Anbu team. In one of their missions Rin apparently died. The other side of it, is that Rin tried to kill Kakashi because she blamed him for Obito's dead. This is the two ways the story could go. Kakashi's Manguekyo Sharingan appeared at the same time Obito gained his (when he killed Rin, in the mission with Kakashi?) Kakashi however could not use the power of the MS because his eye was not developed enough. Latter in the story Rin appears in the story as an Anbu, but I'm not sure if she was revived by Obito's Rinnegan or because she never died. Although Rin tries to kill Kakashi? All depends how the creator of Naruto decides to make Rin's retun.

[Raffnir]

Kakashi got his Manguekyo after the 3 Year skip. So he didnt kill her to get it...

[jaykuhz]

He kamui'd her on accident.