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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by kabumaru View Post
    if its to hot the air will catch fire and speed the process up im no meteorologist but he heats up the atmosphere and explosions are explicitly exothermic so if th heat is to much for the rasen shuriken and the wind chakra breaks form and burns it will fuel kirins process.

    and rasen shuriken is like a fan and if u want to put a big fire out u want to separate it from oxygen not "fan the flame "
    Had no idea "Air" itself could catch fire .. i'll have to test it out later today.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealSasukeUchiha View Post
    I still doubt naruto is stronger then sasuke. and think about it. did you see how easily pein dodged FRS. what happened to its explosive radius?? If kirin even hits near its target, it will obliterate the target.
    Hmm i have partially have to agree with you on this .. when we saw the return on FRS in the pein articles ... wtf happened to FRS huge dome shit .. when it hits something?

    Quote Originally Posted by kabumaru View Post
    how are u gonna hit a stream of electricity that moves at the speed of light and i'll say it again susano was required to block kirin one little shinra tensei blocked frs plus kirin takes a little (just a little) longer to make meaning more goes in to it so its only natural that it is the stronger attack

    and naruto will never use frs on sasuke anyway he's gonna use talk no jutsu
    If it's so fast why did Itachi have time to react with Susano?
    A little shinra tensei ... that can destroy an entire village in a second without much preparation. Makes sense.
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by Omoilol View Post
    Had no idea "Air" itself could catch fire .. i'll have to test it out later today.



    Hmm i have partially have to agree with you on this .. when we saw the return on FRS in the pein articles ... wtf happened to FRS huge dome shit .. when it hits something?



    If it's so fast why did Itachi have time to react with Susano?
    A little shinra tensei ... that can destroy an entire village in a second without much preparation. Makes sense.
    well sharingan is very useful, maybe he detected it b4 it hit him
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by Omoilol View Post
    Had no idea "Air" itself could catch fire .. i'll have to test it out later today.
    anything that has an oxygen make up of at least 40% can burn and air is a general term and if ur being a smart ass obviously atmospheric air can not burn as it is 68% nitrogen which has a boiling point of about 80 k, 350 c, 662 f and less scientific lighters dont ignite the air around them

    and if wind based chakra is weak to fire it makes sense that it would be made up largely of the most flamable element in our atmosphere (well not o3 is not the most flamable but it is the most flamable element that makes up more than 10% )

    im not like all the other people who just post random stupidity (so if i say something thats not clear i can tell anyone how i came to the conclusion)




    Hmm i have partially have to agree with you on this .. when we saw the return on FRS in the pein articles ... wtf happened to FRS huge dome shit .. when it hits something?
    its now more like a blade for pinpointed attacks and less destructive and it will cut through almost anything



    If it's so fast why did Itachi have time to react with Susano?
    A little shinra tensei ... that can destroy an entire village in a second without much preparation. Makes sense
    no dont generalize my statement when i said small i was not saying shinra tensei is weak i literally meant small as in the intensity clearly shinra tensei has incredible destructive potential but the one that pein was using to block frs was small

    and we dont know how itachi activates susanoo and im pretty sure he can use the sword of t@^%$#^ (sorry cant spell it to save my life) and yata's mirror independently of susanoo as they are weapons just like the sword o kusunagi that is said to cut through anything
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    naruto's attack will win deffo wind better than lightning which kirin is so naruto has the upper hand in that affinity
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Kaito View Post
    naruto's attack will win deffo wind better than lightning which kirin is so naruto has the upper hand in that affinity
    afinity refers to elementally recomposed chakra kirin is not chakra its real lightning so its not bound by affinity rules
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by kabumaru View Post
    afinity refers to elementally recomposed chakra kirin is not chakra its real lightning so its not bound by affinity rules
    kirin is a lightning based attack neverless so wind style is capable of beating it and sasuke

    needs to infuse chakra into the attack to direct it thats how it hits the target if he didnt

    fuse chakra into it then it would be like a normal bolt of lightning hitting random locations
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Kaito View Post
    kirin is a lightning based attack neverless so wind style is capable of beating it and sasuke

    needs to infuse chakra into the attack to direct it thats how it hits the target if he didnt

    fuse chakra into it then it would be like a normal bolt of lightning hitting random locations
    I was about to day the same thing it takes Chakra to control Kirin because it if didnt that jutsu could have landed anywhere. It took chakra to control the attack and guide it towards Itachi. He actually uses two recompsed chakra techniques in that Justu. He used Fire to heat up the atmosphere then Lighting to control Kirin.
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Kaito View Post
    kirin is a lightning based attack neverless so wind style is capable of beating it and sasuke

    needs to infuse chakra into the attack to direct it thats how it hits the target if he didnt

    fuse chakra into it then it would be like a normal bolt of lightning hitting random locations
    true it is contolled by chakra so the shuriken might disrupt sasukes control over it but if the attack has already been guided to naruto one frs is not gonna stop this
    Naruto 391 page 10 | One Manga


    secondly look how huge this thing is one frs is not gonna be enought to stop this Naruto 391 page 02-03 | One Manga

    third the strength of this attack far exceeds anyhting humans can do with their chakra (meaning it far exceeds narutos wind nature chakra recomposition) Naruto 391 page 05 | One Manga

    fourth notice how fast zetsu says it moves if pein could dodge frs by jumping than its way too slow Naruto 391 page 07 | One Manga

    fifth look at this jutsus raw power frs cant match that on its best day
    Naruto 391 page 10 | One Manga

    lastly one hit from kirin is way more destructive than one from frs
    look at the aftermath frs does not compare Naruto 391 page 12 | One Manga

    and it would not be logical for a narutos regular jutsu to be able to overpower a last resort especially when the ninja are in the same league in terms of power only a naruto fanbot would think this was acceptable reasoning

    im not a sasuke fanbot or anything but this attack is much stronger than rasen shuriken as it takes more to produce it and it is noe a good choice of jutsu if ur in a pinch naruto can whip up an frs in a matter of seconds and consequently its not as power ful

    the choise are powerul, fast, easy to produce

    choos two and the other will be "not as"

    for example fast easy to make but "not as" powerful

    or u could sacrifice two and specialize on one

    f.e. powerful but not fast or easy to make

    just a little analysis
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    once again.. u r jus looking at the actual destructive power of kirin frm outside, visible to naked eye and comparing it with FRS... lets look at it from a slightly diff angle

    first off a natural lightning bolt(m not talkin abt kirin yet) is actually less powerful then human based chidori.. as kakshi demonstrated by cuttin a lightning bolt with chidori.. well atleast thts wat Gai says!!! so human based chidori > natural lightning...

    To understand the true power of 2 jutsu's.. lets look at the basics .first.. FRS was made of out rasengan.. n Kirin is most likely u can say a jutsu with its basics comin frm chidori.. even though its all natural.. sasuke uses his own lightnin element chakra to direct it to his oponent..

    so its rasengan vs chidori.. both jutsu's hit a water tank in chpter 176 .. this is a perfect example of how destructive power works on both jutsu's.. Look at pg 06 of that chapter.. chidori looks more destructive from outside n sasuke is all happy abt it.. wat happens when he jumps back n notices water tank frm behind.. pg 10
    frm this it shows that rasengan is a jutsu.. the kills its target in a miniscule way.. tearin it apart frm inside.. thus causing greater damage.. as was seen with water tank... wheras frm outside it doesnt look that destructive

    So coming to Kirin vs FRS..
    let talk abt kirin first.. as we all knw we see its destructive power chp 391 pg 10.. its is incredible.. pure raw power... completely destroys the entire area.. the upper surface that is as can b seen on pg 11 & 12

    FRS.. look at chpt 341 pg 11, 12 n 13.. naruto hits kakuzu with FRS in mid air??? look at pgs 14, 15 16.. wat happ.. a HUGE hole was created in the ground.. every nerve cell in kakuzu's body was cut n destroyed.. the attack was at such a miniscule level and thr were so many hits tht kakshi's sharingan cudn't even see it..

    conclusion.. both jutsu's are destructive in their own ways.. they attack their target differently.. Kirin decimates its target.. whereas FRS destroys it inside out.. now combine FRS with Naruto in sage mode.. if reg rasengan can go bigger with natural energy.. FRS is also more destructive in sage mode with natural energy..

    we are talkin abt naruto blockin kirin with FRS.. not throwin it at sasuke or anyone.. it is slow attack but naruto won't jus use it 1st off on his opponent who is all fresh.. So if somehow naruto can use it b4 lightning strikes then both jutsu's hav tremendous destructive power.. it will b huge explosion.. n most likely both of them will b of equal strenght (thts my opinion).. but wind being > then lightning.. FRS mite just edge out
     
         
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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    also Pein was master of all the 6 elements.. master of all chakra types.. he cud even bring freakin dead bac to alive.. wats an FRS or kirin compared to that???
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    theres one thing that we are missing and thats a definition of a powerful jutsu
    mine is one that is not easily dodged or avoided and if contact is made the recipient no longer exists

    Quote Originally Posted by chopsy16 View Post
    once again.. u r jus looking at the actual destructive power of kirin frm outside, visible to naked eye and comparing it with FRS... lets look at it from a slightly diff angle

    first off a natural lightning bolt(m not talkin abt kirin yet) is actually less powerful then human based chidori.. as kakshi demonstrated by cuttin a lightning bolt with chidori.. well atleast thts wat Gai says!!! so human based chidori > natural lightning...
    lightning as a natural variant comes in all different intensities (for example)
    when i was 11 lightning struck the field right next to my house it left a scocrh mark that was 12 and a half feet in diameter no indent no nothing maybe kakashi cut one like that (even though i doubt kakashi or anyone can move fast enough to cut it tens of thousands of feet from the nimbus cloud to the earths crust in .0001 seconds theres no way that what gai said was the truth he was probably just entertaing whomever he was talking to with a cool sounding story about kakashi) and if chidori was > nat. lightning than why would sasuke even bother fusing the two u dont add weaker components when u want to strenghthen something. ur so determined to prove me wrong that you are getting sloppy.

    To understand the true power of 2 jutsu's.. lets look at the basics .first.. FRS was made of out rasengan.. n Kirin is most likely u can say a jutsu with its basics comin frm chidori.. even though its all natural.. sasuke uses his own lightnin element chakra to direct it to his oponent
    true

    so its rasengan vs chidori
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    in theory yes but those were there regular jutsu kirin is a last resort
    and frs is now just as commonly used as kage bunshin when naruto was in sage mode. we have seen two versions of frs and the flying one as u said earlier is attacking at a microscopic level thats why nothing was left when god realm got hit

    . both jutsu's hit a water tank in chpter 176 .. this is a perfect example of how destructive power works on both jutsu's.. Look at pg 06 of that chapter.. chidori looks more destructive from outside n sasuke is all happy abt it.. wat happens when he jumps back n notices water tank frm behind.. pg 10
    frm this it shows that rasengan is a jutsu.. the kills its target in a miniscule way.. tearin it apart frm inside.. thus causing greater damage.. as was seen with water tank... wheras frm outside it doesnt look that destructive
    tru it does do a lot internal damage (as kabuto was made an example of) and chidori was a pinpoint jutsu
    and i think u mean front and back of the water tanks

    So coming to Kirin vs FRS..
    let talk abt kirin first.. as we all knw we see its destructive power chp 391 pg 10.. its is incredible.. pure raw power... completely destroys the entire area.. the upper surface that is as can b seen on pg 11 & 12

    FRS.. look at chpt 341 pg 11, 12 n 13.. naruto hits kakuzu with FRS in mid air??? look at pgs 14, 15 16.. wat happ.. a HUGE hole was created in the ground.. every nerve cell in kakuzu's body was cut n destroyed.. the attack was at such a miniscule level and thr were so many hits tht kakshi's sharingan cudn't even see it..
    ok true frs ruined his body but if he got hit with kirin there would be no evidence to survey

    conclusion.. both jutsu's are destructive in their own ways.. they attack their target differently.. Kirin decimates its target.. whereas FRS destroys it inside out.. now combine FRS with Naruto in sage mode.. if reg rasengan can go bigger with natural energy
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    true

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    FRS is also more destructive in sage mode with natural energy..
    true

    we are talkin abt naruto blockin kirin with FRS.. not throwin it at sasuke or anyone.. it is slow attack but naruto won't jus use it 1st off on his opponent who is all fresh.. So if somehow naruto can use it b4 lightning strikes then both jutsu's hav tremendous destructive power.. it will b huge explosion.. n most likely both of them will b of equal strenght (thts my opinion).. but wind being > then lightning.. FRS mite just edge out
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    if naruto tries to block kirin with frs he will die it moves so fast that advantages probably wont even matter

    if both attacks are fully preped ther will be on IF he can ... before it strikes because he'll think and be wiped out no time for strategy both jutsu are very destructive that is true

    and the wind > than lightning refers to chakra recomposition the lightning is not chakra based so this "advantage" clearly should not have the same effect

    Quote Originally Posted by chopsy16 View Post
    also Pein was master of all the 6 elements.. master of all chakra types.. he cud even bring freakin dead bac to alive.. wats an FRS or kirin compared to that???
    since u seem to be a pein fan lets let pein answer an example question:

    me- "would the shinra tensei used to repel frs be sufficient to repel kirin"

    pein - "what the hells wrong with you are u out yo damn mind"

    me - "so the attack that requires more effort to keep it from killing u is the stronger one right"

    pein-"..... "

    konan - "pein is no longer wasting his time with u "

    and they leave (man i should be a playwright)
     
         
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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    well more then me being sloppy or tryin to prove u wrong.. (which i don't think I am).. ur being more adamant abt ur points n stickin with them... if chidori can cut natural lightnin.. it is for sure stronger then lightnin bolt.. also we r not talkin abt real life.. this is manga world.. a more imaginary n creative world.. whre ppl do move fast... kakashi was fst enough.. thts y he was able to cut lightnin bolt (obvously such things r hard to imagine in real life).. otherwise Y wud Gai say so himself...

    sasuke made the jutsu as he cannot make such large lightning with his own elemental chakra.. so he used an implementation.. so tht the effects can b on large scale.. making it unavoidable to dodge... not that natural lightin > elemental lightnin.. but to make lightnin on large scale.. thus increases its effect n power.. as u said lightinin can hav diff intensities.. so bigger lightnin.. large scale.. wud hav larger intensity.. not poss to produce with natural lightnin elements..

    I am not gonna argue abt other points.. m not sayin ur wrng in ur points.. but its just diff of opinion.. not based on jus naru fans or anythin.. but actual facts too.. In the manga we mite not c it actually happenin.. but I hope it does.. it will b cool to c wat actually happens..
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by chopsy16 View Post
    well more then me being sloppy or tryin to prove u wrong.. (which i don't think I am).. ur being more adamant abt ur points n stickin with them... if chidori can cut natural lightnin.. it is for sure stronger then lightnin bolt.. also we r not talkin abt real life.. this is manga world.. a more imaginary n creative world.. whre ppl do move fast... kakashi was fst enough.. thts y he was able to cut lightnin bolt (obvously such things r hard to imagine in real life).. otherwise Y wud Gai say so himself...

    sasuke made the jutsu as he cannot make such large lightning with his own elemental chakra.. so he used an implementation.. so tht the effects can b on large scale.. making it unavoidable to dodge... not that natural lightin > elemental lightnin.. but to make lightnin on large scale.. thus increases its effect n power.. as u said lightinin can hav diff intensities.. so bigger lightnin.. large scale.. wud hav larger intensity.. not poss to produce with natural lightnin elements..

    I am not gonna argue abt other points.. m not sayin ur wrng in ur points.. but its just diff of opinion.. not based on jus naru fans or anythin.. but actual facts too.. In the manga we mite not c it actually happenin.. but I hope it does.. it will b cool to c wat actually happens..
    theres no way to on if what guy said was true or an exxageration but do u really think based on what we've seen kakashi do that he can cover 4 miles in .001 seconds thats how fast he would have to be capable of moving to cut the lightning

    and if he can not produce the effect of lightning on his own and chidori is stronger anyway why is he wasting his time

    ur right i am pretty adamant in my decision which means its probably pointless to continue arguing when ive made up my mind up

    but the finishing dialouge cracked me up or like 3 whole minutes (my brother came up with that)
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    affinity has nothing to do with this. naruto would not be able to hit kirin in the first place. it moves at the speed of light. there would never be a battle of kirin vs FRS. sasuke takes the lighting and chunnels it through him and directs it. DONT FORGET THAT WHEN SASUKE USED THIS MOVE HE WAS OUT OF CHAKRA. THAT IS WHY IT SURPRISED ITACHI. so your retarded affinity nonsense means nothing here. he used no chakra we was out of it. FRS would against kirin, not only speed wise but strength wise. its not chidori vs rasengan they would never hit. sasuke would dodge FRS just like pein did, and naruto would get hit by kirin
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    yea ur bro is pretty good.. it was funny.. haha

    but ye as I said its hard to imagine.. plus we don't know if lightnin was 4 miles away or 4 meters.. tht kakashi cut.. m assuming it was nearer then 4 miles.. wich wud make more sense.. may b he was fightin some other ninja who was using lightning jutsu by using lightnin bolts... n kakashi jus cut rite through it.. we can jus speculate..
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealUchihaSasuke View Post
    affinity has nothing to do with this. naruto would not be able to hit kirin in the first place. it moves at the speed of light. there would never be a battle of kirin vs FRS. sasuke takes the lighting and chunnels it through him and directs it. DONT FORGET THAT WHEN SASUKE USED THIS MOVE HE WAS OUT OF CHAKRA. THAT IS WHY IT SURPRISED ITACHI. so your retarded affinity nonsense means nothing here. he used no chakra we was out of it. FRS would against kirin, not only speed wise but strength wise. its not chidori vs rasengan they would never hit. sasuke would dodge FRS just like pein did, and naruto would get hit by kirin
    Wth r u talkin abt??? that theory was just an example for basics.. not in case for real karin or FRS.. not for dorks lik u to understand anyway who can think ONE dimensionally..
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by chopsy16 View Post
    yea ur bro is pretty good.. it was funny.. haha

    but ye as I said its hard to imagine.. plus we don't know if lightnin was 4 miles away or 4 meters.. tht kakashi cut.. m assuming it was nearer then 4 miles.. wich wud make more sense.. may b he was fightin some other ninja who was using lightning jutsu by using lightnin bolts... n kakashi jus cut rite through it.. we can jus speculate..
    the ninja shooting bolts at kakashi and him cutting them is less extreme sounds like sasuke might not be as original as he thought

    where is this story of gia's

    yeah speculation is not always bad except with theories then its garbage
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by chopsy16 View Post
    Wth r u talkin abt??? that theory was just an example for basics.. not in case for real karin or FRS.. not for dorks lik u to understand anyway who can think ONE dimensionally..
    you are the only who cant comprehend what the thread is about. since i get infractions all the time for flaming i will ignore that comment you made. how about you read all the posts that lead up to mine instead of talking shit that makes no sense and further embarassing ur self
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealUchihaSasuke View Post
    you are the only who cant comprehend what the thread is about. since i get infractions all the time for flaming i will ignore that comment you made. how about you read all the posts that lead up to mine instead of talking shit that makes no sense and further embarassing ur self
    .. Once again.. wth r u talkin abt??? its perfectly clear wat the thread is abt.. n I did read all of it.. no need for u to tell me tht. I made the thrd initally.. anyways..
    look at the results of the poll.. most ppl think wat, is quite clear.. its not embarrasing at all.. its more complicated n theoritical thought.. if u can't comply.. then forget abt it
     
         

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    Re: Kirin Vs Fuuton RasenShuriken

    who cares about the results of the poll. thats opinion. i am talking about fact. and kirin is faster and stronger then FRS you cant doge kirin. which i have said so many times. i wont respond to anymore of your idiotic comments because i will just be fueling your retardation
     
         

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