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    Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    This thread will most likely be flamed by Minato fans but I'm going to go ahead anyway. This thread is to show why A beats Minato(or draws if Minato uses Reaper Death Seal)

    Fourth Raikage vs Fourth Hokage


    4th Raikage's Abilities

    -Lightning Armour
    This wraps A in a layer of lightning chakra that is used both offensively and defensively. It also gives A an insane boost to his base speed which is already incredibly fast. This is the jutsu that will be the most useful against Minato. None of Minato attacks are able to bypass this armour. Neither his kunai or his rasengan will be able to penetrate. The lightning armour managed to completely negate the damage of a Chidori Kusanagi aimed at his back which has been shown to have more piercing power than the Rasengan.



    -Durability
    A is probably one of the most durable characters in the series. He took two lariats to the chests from Killer Bee and a third one only knocked him down. He easily withstood having his arm set on fire and amputated his own arm without flinching. He survived Mabui's Transfer technique(which was said that only the 3rd Raikage who is known for his durability) with no injuries even without Lightning Armour. Even Tsunade who is durable herself was ripped up pretty badly by it. Minato’s strongest offensive move is rasengan and is not a piercing type of move.


    -Strength
    A possesses immense physical strength and is able to lift heavy weights with one hand and shatter a cliff with a punch. Also is able to snap the Executioner’s Blade. Killer Bee also stated that he was the first person to deflect his Bijuu cloak.He is capable of breaking through Susanoo and he has done so twice. On Sasuke’s part 1 susanoo and Madara’s part 3(with Onoki’s help.) When he was younger A cut of one of the horns of the 8-tails which knocked it to the floor . Naruto said that his punches were immensely strong and that he couldn’t tank two of them even in Chakra Mode. One punch would be enough to kill Minato.


    -Speed
    This is the category were A shines in. His speed is phenomenal and unlike Minato he uses actual foot speed. Which is a better achievement than Minato’s speed because A trained for it. Even though A is incredibly fast Minato still outshines him in this area. With his speed he was able to zoom up to Minato and got so close that he basically clipped his nose with his fist. I also believe that the 4th Raikage has the same reactions than Minato because A trained for his speed and uses footwork which his body and brain would need to keep up with.


    -Chakra Levels
    The 4th Raikage has crazy chakra levels and the only other non-bijuu in his league would be Kisame. Karin, one of the best sensors in the series, said that his chakra levels could be compared to a tailed-beast and I think that he probably even has more chakra than the first few tailed-beasts.

    -Ninjutsu
    Though A does not specialize in ninjutsu he has shown that he is able to concentrate lightning into his hand and use it as a slicing attack. He used this to amputate his arm clean off and slash off the 8-tails horn.
    Minato's Abilities

    -Ninjutsu
    The rasengan is Minato’s only offensive Ninjutsu but he uses in really well. He can combine this with FTG to combine a deadly combo. The fact that it requires no seals allows him to combine it with FTG easier. Minato’s rasengan is larger than Naruto’s normal one and is roughly the size of Naruto’s Odama Rasengan. However it will not be able to pass the
    4th Raikage’s defence due to it being an attack that uses blunt force rather than a stabbing attack. Minato also has the summoning jutsu which allows him to summon toads. However if he tries to use the foodcart destroyer on A then it will just be a waste of chakra since he will easily be able to dodge it.


    -Space/time jutsu
    Minato was famous for his unique space–time technique, the Flying Thunder God Technique, which essentially allowed him to teleport to any location. I believe that FTG however is very limited because Minato needs a kunai at that position to teleport to it. His teleportation is able to outshine other speed monsters like Naruto and A. Minato can also form a barrier that can redirect incoming long-range attacks even an attack as powerful as TBB from the 9-tails.

    -Sealing
    Minato was quite proficient in sealing (fuinjutsu) and had an Uzumaki(who are known for their sealing) as a wife.
    Minato is able to use complicated sealing jutsu’s like the 8 trigrams seal and the 4 symbols seal which Killer Bee stated was more intricate and durable than his own seal. Minato’s ultimate sealing move is the Reaper Death seal which seals both Minato and his opponent.

    -Intelligence
    Minato is one of the smartest in the series and is also very strategic. He was able to work out Tobi’s weakness and even managed to do something with that information. He is also able to keep calm in difficult situations as when Tobi had the upper hand in their fight.
    How the 4th Raikage would beat Minato

    1) Can tank all of Minato’s attacks
    A can tank all of Minato’s attacks and most of his sealings will be useless against A.

    2) A only needs one attack
    A only needs one attack to connect with Minato to win the fight. While Minato would need loads to even start injuring A and when one of A’s punches is that close

    to hitting Minato.

    3) Minato unable to tag A
    Minato would be unable to tag A with a seal because of his Lightning Armour and if he tried to he would get electrocuted.

    4) Special theory
    If A breaks one of Minato’s kunai and then dashes at him and Minato tries to teleport to the kunai(that A has broken) and it will fail. And that split-second that his teleport fails A could hit him. Also Minato is not able to feel if one of his kunai is broken.

    5) Large scale attacks could mess up Kunai
    Large scale attacks would mess up the positioning of Minato’s kunai and might even teleport him in front of A’s attack. Also if he smashes the ground near him then could stop Minato from teleporting into his immediate vicinity. And if one of his kunai goes underground and Minato teleports to it then he would have killed himself.

    6) Speed Blitz before Kunai’s are ready
    In the fight they had in the manga A waited for Minato to get out his Kunai and scatter them around instead of just rushing to him before he got his Kunai ready. This was because of plot.

    7) A could use Gamabunta against Minato
    A could severely injure Gamabunta with a few of his full power punches and he is capabale of doing so since he was able to slam the 8-tails onto the ground. A could even use Gamabunta against Minato because his attacks are very devastating and would destroy some of Minato's kunai. Minato doesn't have the strength to stop A's assault on Gamabunta and is not stupid enough to try.

    8) Which will last more A’s endurance or Minato’s stamina ?
    A has more chakra than Minato which would potentially help him to outlast Minato since he would soon run out of chakra dodging all of A’s attacks. So even if A doesn’t hit him Minato could still lose because of exhaustion. Minato will no doubt manage to hit the 4th raikage a number of times but the amount of times both of them need to hit eachother to win the match is too large. Remember A only needs one hit to win while Minato would need dozens to even injure A. If the fight lasts long then it would come down to stamina which A wins in.

    But Minato could use Reaper Death Seal which would end the fight in a draw.


    So this is the end of my thread. . Hope you enjoyed it and even if you don’t agree with it please respect the effort I put into it.
    Thanks to Negative Knight for helping me with some points even though he doesn't agree with me
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    I don't completely agree I feel like there a lot of minato we haven't seen but I love the reasurch hood job + rep (anything could happen in a fight in naruto)
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Don't you watch the new cannon naruto 282 where the fourth raikage said that no could have defeated minato and you are saying raikage is stronger damn some people are dumb.
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by cmilius View Post
    Don't you watch the new cannon naruto 282 where the fourth raikage said that no could have defeated minato and you are saying raikage is stronger damn some people are dumb.
    i agree with you man.... without bee there raikage might have even got killed in that episode...
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    minato still has some more techniques
    raikage said that minato learned the special seal techniques from the uzumaki clan
    and the uzumaki clan was feared for their sealing techniques

     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Dude... no such thing as a 'proof thread'. Absolutely no such thing.

    On Topic: No, I don't agree. Minato is much better. In terms of intelligence, speed and tactics.
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by -Logic- View Post
    Dude... no such thing as a 'proof thread'. Absolutely no such thing.

    On Topic: No, I don't agree. Minato is much better. In terms of intelligence, speed and tactics.
    I'm not sure we've met
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by -Logic- View Post
    Dude... no such thing as a 'proof thread'. Absolutely no such thing.

    On Topic: No, I don't agree. Minato is much better. In terms of intelligence, speed and tactics.
    To add where he left off.....if Ay himself said minato was stronger...then that is that...we saw the manga & the anime....minato has no worries against Ay...i dont even think this thread was worth making...
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by -Logic- View Post
    Dude... no such thing as a 'proof thread'. Absolutely no such thing.

    On Topic: No, I don't agree. Minato is much better. In terms of intelligence, speed and tactics.
    I agree, with you.
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Pathetic. Even after raikage admitted minato as better. Smh
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    One more thing you guys forget minato can s/t raikage like tobi did to most of his opponents you know.
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    yah dude you kinda obviously haven't watched the latest anime, and in manga it's written that the raikage states nobody could have defeated him
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Very nice and many valid points +REP!!!! WOHOOOO
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    A lot of people keep going back to what the Raikage said instead of looking at feats. Don't take things at face value.
    Its like the people who say Jiraiya> Itachi because Itachi said that him and Kisame would get beaten by Jiraiya.
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Danzo Auditore De Firenze View Post
    A lot of people keep going back to what the Raikage said instead of looking at feats. Don't take things at face value.
    Its like the people who say Jiraiya> Itachi because Itachi said that him and Kisame would get beaten by Jiraiya.
    Look at this thread, and you'll understand that you're mistaking about what you think that happened in the fight between Minato and Raikage: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=248682 And what i say here has been confirmed in todays episode. Look at Rul sig.

    Also, you seems to forget that will only a kunai, he was able not only to destroy Bees limb, but also create a crater at that point. It has also destroyed Tobis body which was composed from Hashiramas cells(a powerful Zetsu body), and also created a great crater at that point just with rasengan, which shows that he has some sort of strenght(probably due to Hiraishin speed). When he hiraishined on Raikage, Bee was forced to interved at that moment, because he knew that A would be dead if it had continued any further.

    You also forgot about other abilities like Summoning techniques. If he uses Food Cart Destroyer on A for example, he is almost done for.
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    Look at this thread, and you'll understand that you're mistaking about what you think that happened in the fight between Minato and Raikage: http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=248682 And what i say here has been confirmed in todays episode. Look at Rul sig.

    Also, you seems to forget that will only a kunai, he was able not only to destroy Bees limb, but also create a crater at that point. It has also destroyed Tobis body which was composed from Hashiramas cells(a powerful Zetsu body), and also created a great crater at that point just with rasengan, which shows that he has some sort of strenght(probably due to Hiraishin speed). When he hiraishined on Raikage, Bee was forced to interved at that moment, because he knew that A would be dead if it had continued any further.

    You also forgot about other abilities like Summoning techniques. If he uses Food Cart Destroyer on A for example, he is almost done for.
    Slicing one of Bee's tentacles isn't that good a feat. Sasuke Chidori lance also cut Killer Bee's tentacle and A tanked Sasuke's Chidori Lance. A definitely wouldn't have been killed by Minato's kunai, Killer Bee just didn't want his brother to get hit and was prepared to give up his tentacle for it.(They grow back anyway)
    I added Minato's summoning jutsu in the ninjutsu section. If Minato tried to use Foodcart Destroyer then he would easily be able to dodge and it will just mean a waste of chakra for Minato.
    I think that you are underrating A's speed.
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Danzo Auditore De Firenze View Post
    Slicing one of Bee's tentacles isn't that good a feat. Sasuke Chidori lance also cut Killer Bee's tentacle and A tanked Sasuke's Chidori Lance.
    I didn't only mentioned the Bees limb, i also mentioned the crater it created with only one kunai. Look at the middle of the pic:
    And it's with that kunai that he was about to finish A if Bee didn't interved

    A definitely wouldn't have been killed by Minato's kunai, Killer Bee just didn't want his brother to get hit and was prepared to give up his tentacle for it.(They grow back anyway)
    And why didn't he wanted his brother to get hit if he wasn't in danger?
    I added Minato's summoning jutsu in the ninjutsu section. If Minato tried to use Foodcart Destroyer then he would easily be able to dodge and it will just mean a waste of chakra for Minato.
    I think that you are underrating A's speed.
    I'm not underrating A speed. I only go the conclusion that if Minato was able to throw a kunai above A, teleport on a tree, and come back with a kunai on A's head, it means that while he is above A, i don't know why he can't use summoning jutsu on him, especially when you know it takes no time:
    He can even rasengan him before, just in order to put him on the floor from a second, the time he recovers, he already see food cart destroyer on him. But personally i don't believe A could handle Rasengan, especially Minatos version. Don't forget this jutsu was created by watching TBB, so it's no fodder technique

    Also, even if it doesn't work at the moment, it's not a waste of chakra, since from that moment, there will be 2opponents against A. Gamabunta will help in close combat. He also has some powerful suiton attacks. You also forget that Minato can summon every toad he wants. He can summon for example Pa and Ma, and they put A in the toad genjutsu. He has a lot of ways to finish A
     
         
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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogard View Post
    I didn't only mentioned the Bees limb, i also mentioned the crater it created with only one kunai. Look at the middle of the pic:
    And it's with that kunai that he was about to finish A if Bee didn't interved
    I'm not denying Minato's strength but he is certainly not abnormally strong and there are quite a lot of ninja physically stronger than him. Most of that crater couldn't have been caused by Minato's kunai because he didn't even completely slice the tentacle and most of it was probably caused by Killer Bee's tentacle hitting the ground.

    And why didn't he wanted his brother to get hit if he wasn't in danger?
    A and B are one of the closest relationships in the series. Both of them would get incredibly upset if either one of them was injured or even attacked.(For example when A thought Akatsuki captured Killer Bee)

    I'm not underrating A speed. I only go the conclusion that if Minato was able to throw a kunai above A, teleport on a tree, and come back with a kunai on A's head, it means that while he is above A, i don't know why he can't use summoning jutsu on him, especially when you know it takes no time:
    He can even rasengan him before, just in order to put him on the floor from a second, the time he recovers, he already see food cart destroyer on him. But personally i don't believe A could handle Rasengan, especially Minatos version. Don't forget this jutsu was created by watching TBB, so it's no fodder technique

    Also, even if it doesn't work at the moment, it's not a waste of chakra, since from that moment, there will be 2opponents against A. Gamabunta will help in close combat. He also has some powerful suiton attacks. You also forget that Minato can summon every toad he wants. He can summon for example Pa and Ma, and they put A in the toad genjutsu. He has a lot of ways to finish A
    Summoning jutsu does take time. The user needs to take some off their own blood and perform handseals and make the summoning seal on the ground(or in mid-air). By that time A would be well out of harms way. I already said in my thread how A can use Gamabunta against him. Gamabunta's water attacks are not that powerful since they are only a C-Rank. Gamabunta would be useless in close combat since A would be able to dodge all of his attacks with ease and he would only end up destroying Minato's kunai. I wrote most of this in the thread.

    Also why is it always you that I end up having debates about A with ? >_>
    We have had about 3 different debates about A.
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    completely agree +rep.
    its def either a tie or victory for raikage. cos alll minato can do is run basically. no point in having amazing speed if you cant attack.
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Danzo Auditore De Firenze View Post
    A lot of people keep going back to what the Raikage said instead of looking at feats. Don't take things at face value.
    Its like the people who say Jiraiya> Itachi because Itachi said that him and Kisame would get beaten by Jiraiya.
    thats the most retarded thing ive ever heard, faced the facts of what the person actually said and your still tryin to cover your ass, you are beyond stuipid. close your thread its only gonna get worse from hear on... idiot
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danzo Auditore De Firenze View Post
    A lot of people keep going back to what the Raikage said instead of looking at feats. Don't take things at face value.
    Its like the people who say Jiraiya> Itachi because Itachi said that him and Kisame would get beaten by Jiraiya.
    yh but then tobi clears this up saying itachi loved the village and didnt really want to harm anyone there so itachi may have been lying to kisame just to avoid conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Sageofslxpaths View Post
    completely agree +rep.
    its def either a tie or victory for raikage. cos alll minato can do is run basically. no point in having amazing speed if you cant attack.
    such a fail, what about all those sealing techniques we have seen him do

    and what makes you think just because chidori a "lightning" attack which was cancelled out by the raikage who has also mastered "lightning" manipulation (like sasuke) equates to rasengan also getting cancelled out

    also looking at the latest anime minato was about to finish A and B saved him SMH
     
         
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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    raikage said he thought minato was undefeated "i dont rlly rmmbr" so its obvious minato > A
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by miino View Post
    raikage said he thought minato was undefeated "i dont rlly rmmbr" so its obvious minato > A
    Quote Originally Posted by Anando View Post
    yah dude you kinda obviously haven't watched the latest anime, and in manga it's written that the raikage states nobody could have defeated him
    Quote Originally Posted by Shisui Namikaze View Post
    Pathetic. Even after raikage admitted minato as better. Smh
    Quote Originally Posted by cmilius View Post
    Don't you watch the new cannon naruto 282 where the fourth raikage said that no could have defeated minato and you are saying raikage is stronger damn some people are dumb.
    Did any of you even read it ? I gave lots of points why I believe A > Minato and you lot keep coming back with shit like "A said Minato is not surpassed". Pain said that Jiraiya would have beaten him with info but no one believes that. Itachi said that him and Kisame would lose to Jiraiya but no one believes that either.
    Somethings are said as praise and are not actually true.


    Quote Originally Posted by cmilius View Post
    One more thing you guys forget minato can s/t raikage like tobi did to most of his opponents you know.
    No that wouldn't work because of the nature the jutsu is employed. Minato wouldn't even have time to make the seals and that attack is used to redirect long range attacks. Minato's space time barrier is nothing like Tobi's space-time migration. Even if that absurd theory did work A would be able to survive it with little to no injuries since he survived Mabui teleportation. (Which I wrote in the thread)
     
         

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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Jiraiya had no intel on Itachis abilities so Itachi would've won, lets not forgot Itachis ENTIRE PLAN FROM DAY ONE IN AKATSUKI was to spy on them and keep the village safe & an eye on sasuke. He said that so no one would get suspicious about his actions in akatsuki considering he chose his life to be an outlaws life, & Kisame was right next to him. Itachi had to lie ever since he became a spy for the leaf. He was lying when he said Jiraiya would have beaten them, it was an excuse to not have to fight a ninja of a village he loved.

    Just because he survived Mabui so what. Thats not . He will simply be stuck in another dimension till he dies. End of his story, IF Minato could use that tech. Manga facts > your opinion.


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    Re: Proof 4th Raikage > Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by danzo auditore de firenze View Post
    did any of you even read it ? I gave lots of points why i believe a > minato and you lot keep coming back with shit like "a said minato is not surpassed". Pain said that jiraiya would have beaten him with info but no one believes that. Itachi said that him and kisame would lose to jiraiya but no one believes that either.
    Somethings are said as praise and are not actually true.



    No that wouldn't work because of the nature the jutsu is employed. Minato wouldn't even have time to make the seals and that attack is used to redirect long range attacks. Minato's space time barrier is nothing like tobi's space-time migration. Even if that absurd theory did work a would be able to survive it with little to no injuries since he survived mabui teleportation. (which i wrote in the thread)

    watch the latest anime dude!!! Minato doesn't have to make seals... He made a seal to the tentacle without forming seals...
     
         

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