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    Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    What are the odds that Natsu is Zeref's son, which is why Zeref believes that he is the only one that can defeat him?

    Also, I'd bet that Acnologia and Zeref both became who they now are, one cursed with death magic and the other as a dragon, in the same event?
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    i don't realy watch fary tale but isn't zerf too young ?
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Quote Originally Posted by portgas d luffy View Post
    i don't realy watch fary tale but isn't zerf too young ?
    Just young look, he's more than 400 years old :D
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sicnesse View Post
    Just young look, he's more than 400 years old :D
    o shit well he doen't realy look that way
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Mavis is hiding info why was zeref on the island in the first place. he was probly trapt in fairy sphere. which could explain why he never aged.
    Also i believe acnologia is natsu i believe natsu went through the time portal.
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Yeah, I don't buy that Natsu is Acnologia, as he's not one to butcher the entire dragon race. However, Fairy Sphere being used on Zeref is interesting. I suppose that's quite possible. But why wouldn't Mavis mention it to the Tenrou Gang?
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Quote Originally Posted by sageadvice View Post
    Yeah, I don't buy that Natsu is Acnologia, as he's not one to butcher the entire dragon race. However, Fairy Sphere being used on Zeref is interesting. I suppose that's quite possible. But why wouldn't Mavis mention it to the Tenrou Gang?
    Mavis is still a mystery who knows why but that is def a possibility.
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Nah, I think Zeref being immortal is a possibility. I mean, considering all the freakishly-powerful weapons he's created, his true strength should be more than enough to grant him immortality, specially considering the fact that he's a master of Death Magic.
    OT: I guess that's somewhat of a possibility though it's by a narrow margin.
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Hmmm, I agree that Mavis is a mystery, one that ties into Lumen Histoire, whatever that may be. But she doesn't seem like one with a dark secret.... she seems pretty open.
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    whoa there are some interesting thoughts... and to say something they are all possible...
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Maybe Zeref is Natsu and Lucy's son, afterall they're going back in time.

    Natsu is basically immortal too and Lucy has the almighty power of her soon to be 12 (and the weird 13th) keys.

    So I think they create Zeref in the past, switch pregnant lucy with Edolas Lucy by accident because in the parallel universe they went back in time as well. Travel back to the future which creates a time paradox that kills all the dragons including Igneel but except Acknologia which makes Natsu the ultimate dragon slayer.

    Next chapter Natsu vs Acknologia !
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Quote Originally Posted by Love Cook View Post
    Maybe Zeref is Natsu and Lucy's son, afterall they're going back in time.

    Natsu is basically immortal too and Lucy has the almighty power of her soon to be 12 (and the weird 13th) keys.

    So I think they create Zeref in the past, switch pregnant lucy with Edolas Lucy by accident because in the parallel universe they went back in time as well. Travel back to the future which creates a time paradox that kills all the dragons including Igneel but except Acknologia which makes Natsu the ultimate dragon slayer.

    Next chapter Natsu vs Acknologia !
    igneel isn't dead, he was shown not too many chapters ago just like wendy's dragon was
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Exactly how often in manga do we see main characters get pregnant? I'd say about 0 percent of the time. But, I agree, they are going bacck in time 400 years ago to stop the creation of Zeref and Acnologia but could, instead, be the reason for their creation.
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    this theory makes sense to me as well.

    I believe that the gang will go 400 years back in time and meet zeref in his time. also, I think it's natsu who made zeref realize "the value of life."

    in here


    he says to natsu "you've grown up."
    he knows that this natsu hasn't gone back in time and met him, at least not yet.
    this means he met natsu while natsu was young enough not to remember. and it happened in the current timeline. could be because he was natsu's father and named him natsu when he realized he's the guy. also, he was the one who had igneel take care of him.

    so my thoughts is that zeref met natsu in the past. and made a promise not kill anyone "willingly" until natsu (in his own time) became strong enough to kill him. he searched for a place away from the humans and found mavis. mavis kept him hidden in the island for a while and with the ethereal abilities she learned from zeref, she made sure to keep zeref out of humans' reach. and while he was in the island he somehow had a child.

    supporting ideas.

    no matter how you look at it there is something fishy with mavis.
    looking like a child, having an ethereal body that can still use magic. and even though she died ages ago, makarov didn't know about her presence in the tenrou. and once the effects of the fairy sphere disappears she leaves the island saying that she was bored.

    I think this was her way of saying, "now that zeref is no longer there I have no reason to remain on that island."

    now for the plot holes.

    makarov was named as a master 48 years ago. give purehito a 50 years of being master and it makes mavis' death 100 years ago. she either lived for 300+ years or for about 250 years zeref had another place to hide. mavis looks like a child. but it might be due to being an ethereal body or she also had an immortality technique placed upon her when she was young. only way is this possible is if mavis and zeref knew each other from the time they were kids.

    how could zeref get close to a woman and have child. considering whoever comes near him just dies?
    I found only one way to explain this. mavis once again. she could be natsu's mother. considering that she knows magic to create an ethereal body, she might also have a way to resist zeref's death magic. though how can a dead person be able to give birth?


    it seems like too off even for a theory like this.
    but I wanted to share
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Time travel... it always twists my mind..
    theyre going back in time to stop a problem, but what if them going back in time created the problem. But if they go back in time to fix the problem then in the fututre they wont go back in time anymore because the problem never existed O.o
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiiszame View Post
    Time travel... it always twists my mind..
    theyre going back in time to stop a problem, but what if them going back in time created the problem. But if they go back in time to fix the problem then in the fututre they wont go back in time anymore because the problem never existed O.o
    yeah it's confusing as hell. and I believe in FT if they time travel they won't change anything. they will go back to change it without knowing that 400 years ago that's already what had happened.
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    I think that Zeref was cursed with the death magic, not that he naturally exudes it. So, it's quite possible that the events of this arc cause Zeref to get this curse, which means that he could get close to whoever he wished prior to receiving the curse. I'm thinking that the event that created Acnologia as a dragon also created Zeref as walking death.
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Zeref is definitely immortal
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    i think all those things are possible but if natsu and mavis have a mother and son thing whats up with natsus age.............. IM SO CONFUSED
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    I had this theory on a thread nearly 2 months ago:

    I've been re-reading FT a lot these past 2 days, as I wanted to confirm a theory of mine; connected to the speculation that Acnologia was transformed into a dragon by Zeref. Well, since this is a theory thread on some of the parts that I was thinking on, namely the Dragon King Festival and its non-connection to the upcoming 10000 dragons invasion. @OP: I think I may answer to some of your questions in my theory.

    So, I think, by most common predictions, we have come to conclusion that the 10000 dragons are mostly going to come from the Eclipse Gate since they are nowhere to be seen. Which led to the question, about why 10000 dragons are going to come from a time-travel gate...Well, the only place where 10000 dragons could be right now, is...at the graveyard.

    My guess, is that the invasion of dragons won't contain Igneel or Graandeeney. But that the gate is going to revive the 10000 dragons who were killed by dragon slayers and are in search of revenge. Like Sting & Rogue's dragons and the numerous others slayed by Acnologia in the past.

    Speaking of Acnologia, "The war that brought to the birth of the King of Dragon is called Festival of the Dragon King". That's the name given to Acnologia. If I link that with those 2 quotes""I look forward at the day we meet at the Dragon King's festival..." with "Can humans exceed dragons or is it an empty dream?", then I made a conclusive prediction:

    The invasion of 10000 dragons isn't the Dragon King Festival. The meaning and significance of Dragon King Festival is when a new king of dragon will be born. It is when a human will transcend its condition and truly became a dragon. And well, when can that occur? Well, let's say that how about when a dragon slayer kill some 10000 dragons? If you connect the dot, I think we may say that the Dragon King festival is about a day when Natsu or Wendy or Gajeel will turn into a full dragon like Acnologia...Well, most likely Natsu is some kind of chosen child in that case since he's the main hero and his destiny is to save the world by transforming...

    Igneel/Grandeeney talk a lot about believe in humans and stuffs like that. Maybe they actually trained humans for them, to save the world against, not 10000 dragons but against Acnologia. Personally, ever since Acnologia appeared, I had a small inch of doubt in my mind that Igneel/Grandeeney/Metalicana didn't flee from Natsu/Wendy/Gajeel due to some plans. But actually, they fleed out of fear. Maybe they all sensed the presence of Acnologia and that they were the last remaining breed of dragons. Thereby, they fleed away from Acnologia to a place known only to dragons, and that a human-turned-dragonking is ignorant of. They trained those dragon slayers in the hope that someday, one of them might defeat Acnologia. Maybe, they see the birth of a new dragon king as the only way to give rise to a savior, hence the await of a Dragon King Festival.

    Finally, I have one last connection with Zeref and all those things but this one is more far-fetched. Since Natsu/Wendy/Gajeel seem to be chosen child and since Igneel/Grandeeney/Metalicana seem to be trainers of an extinct breed, perhaps they all come from the past. Maybe that's why Natsu/Gajeel got those extensive age (time-travel?!?)... Let's say that 400 years ago, Dragon Civil War was nearly ending and that Igneel/Grandeeney/Metalicana were last survivors from the wrath of Acnologia. Similar to how Exceed's eggs were thrown into an Anima, those 3 dragons took 3 kids with them and travelled to the future. For some years, they trained those kids into Dragon Slayers, in the hope that one of them will turn out powerful enough to defeat Acnologia. In year X777, they sensed that Acnologia tracked them down into the future and they fleed away. If Natsu/Wendy/Gajeel come from a distant past, we may understand why Zeref know Natsu. Perhaps he is Natsu's biological father. After all, he had tears of joy when he saw Natsu - similar to what a father could have for his son. Or another idea that since Cali pointed out about fire magic on tapestry, perhaps, Natsu is the son of human Acnologia...


    Well, I guess I was right on the dragons that were going to be revived in the past chapters...So, as I explained in that, yes, I do believe that there's a possibility of Natsu being either Zeref or Acnologia's son.
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    I believe time travel will happen. not 400 but 14 years ago. 14 years would make way more sense, wouldn't it? They have a chance to save Lucy's mom and prevent the dragons from going into hiding. And similar to the rest of the theories here, this would give some feedback Zeref looking at a younger Natsu.

    Nothing in Natsu resembles Zeref. Nothing at all. A relationship would be too unlikely xD! I will admit that while on the Tenrou island, I thought Zeref was a grown up Romeo xD! Irrelevant is irrelevant, but I see way more similarities there :P!
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    I would say it is possible , it would explain why he left Natsu ; as he knew he had done wrong instead bringing up the only one to defeat him to be a dark wizard like himself he will leave natsu in the hands of a dragon
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    Quote Originally Posted by Escorpiius View Post
    Finally, I have one last connection with Zeref and all those things but this one is more far-fetched. Since Natsu/Wendy/Gajeel seem to be chosen child and since Igneel/Grandeeney/Metalicana seem to be trainers of an extinct breed, perhaps they all come from the past. Maybe that's why Natsu/Gajeel got those extensive age (time-travel?!?)... Let's say that 400 years ago, Dragon Civil War was nearly ending and that Igneel/Grandeeney/Metalicana were last survivors from the wrath of Acnologia. Similar to how Exceed's eggs were thrown into an Anima, those 3 dragons took 3 kids with them and travelled to the future. For some years, they trained those kids into Dragon Slayers, in the hope that one of them will turn out powerful enough to defeat Acnologia. In year X777, they sensed that Acnologia tracked them down into the future and they fleed away. If Natsu/Wendy/Gajeel come from a distant past, we may understand why Zeref know Natsu. Perhaps he is Natsu's biological father. After all, he had tears of joy when he saw Natsu - similar to what a father could have for his son. Or another idea that since Cali pointed out about fire magic on tapestry, perhaps, Natsu is the son of human Acnologia...
    Well, I guess I was right on the dragons that were going to be revived in the past chapters...So, as I explained in that, yes, I do believe that there's a possibility of Natsu being either Zeref or Acnologia's son.
    GENIUS!!!!! , i will go by this now
     
         

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    Re: Natsu: Zeref's Son?

    I think Zeref and Natsu have a connection together, also because of what Zeref said "you've really grown" and also the scarf that he did get from Igneel saved Natsu. So Igneel know of Zeref power and he knew Natsu would meet him someday, maybe that is also why he did give Natsu the scarf so he would find some protection against Zeref. and maybe that is also why only natsu could/can defeat him.
     
         

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