Okay Hiruzen is strong and has been stated the strongest but I still can't see how he can be stronger
than Hashirama. Its true Hiruzen has been stated the strongest but Itachi also said that he and Kisame wouldn't be
able to defeat jiraiya and many fans didn't believe that. To me Hashirama seems stronger just because he rivals madara and has defeated madara before. So who do you think is really more powerful and dont be biased.