[Theory] Raikage wasn't at full speed against Minato?

[Sexy Steel]

nah,raikage still eats minato`s dust...

i didn't talk about who would wins in terms of speed but rather i am talking about minato's reflexes

[zesto]

i agree, Riakage wasn't at his top speed. it seems to be at that time he was using V1

[Shisui Namikaze]

I think bogard ended the thread. It should have been over after his post.

[★T Bogard]

which is why i proposed the theory that he used v1 and not v2, v2 is faster than v1, minato might have been able to barely dodge v1 because of his reflexes but v2 closes this gap

Not really:
If he is able to just wait the moment Raikage is next to him to throw a kunai above Raikage, i don't see where he "barely" dodge Raikage. In the contrary it shows that in the comparison of Minato, Raikage is slow. Also your thing about the fact that Raikage only had V1 at that moment is wrong, and i proved you that on my first post. He is the first concerned about his progress, so if he really improved his speed, he would have never said what he said.

[★YellowFlash1]

He admits here that he is only the fastest because Minato's is dead...

He also had 2v when he said that, so .. It pretty sum's it up!

But, Do i think that he could dodge his punch like he did in the recent anime? Hmmm .. i would say yes purely because he had enough time to fling a kurani and wait till the last second and just FTG away.

His Reflex's are unrivalled if you ask me.

Minato > Raikage

[Exaar]

i agree, Riakage wasn't at his top speed. it seems to be at that time he was using V1

The raikage disagrees.

A said to naruto he was the second person to ever dodge his Full speed, Minato was the first, Yet he didn't say anything about sasuke (who dodged V1, Just like minato according to this thread), yet raikage said nothing about sasuke.

The raikage put naruto in the same league as minato in terms of them two being the only people to dodge his full speed that is v2.

[zesto]

its obvious minato would of lose if A had V2 back then

[★YellowFlash1]

its obvious minato would of lose if A had V2 back then

Manga Disagree's ....

I don't understand why so many people always try prove minato is bad ....

[Zlad]

Even if I don't like it, he was. Minato can teleport which makes him the fastest even if Raikage is on level 2 or not.

[Exaar]

its obvious minato would of lose if A had V2 back then

Really, How so?

[iCuRiddY]

Baseless assumptions.... Bogard already proved your thread wrong when he showed raikage using V2 against Naruto without his hair spiking up... Yet you ignored that post.

[blackbird31468]

His hair didn't stand upright because of the headband.

[TobisPawn]

Bogard said it all.

[Ciberr]

o_0

[★YellowFlash1]

Actually looking over the manga again ....

It look's to me that he wasn't actually full out at first .. because his hair is actually spikey here..



I still think minato could dodge his attack at V2

[Sexy Steel]

Raikage: "I'm the fastest shinobi now that the 4th has passed away"



Raikage: "He avoided my full speed?"



Raikage: "You're the second person to dodge my top full-speed" refering to Minato as the first one. He fought Sasuke before this moment, but didn't actually consider that Sasuke dodged his speed which means he didn't use his full speed at that moment against Sasuke

it can be said that v1 can easily be followed, sasuke did it with his sharingan, Ao was able to do it, so was naruto
considering when he fought naruto, naruto can sense evil intensions which automatically put his reflexes above that of minato's combined with his superior foot speed.
back then he said minato dodged his top speed yes but his top speed then could have been v1
he is just saying that his top speed has been dodged twice even though he had improved :shrug:

look at this




again this all ties back to whether he had v2 back then

[★YellowFlash1]

it can be said that v1 can easily be followed, sasuke did it with his sharingan, Ao was able to do it, so was naruto
considering when he fought naruto, naruto can sense evil intensions which automatically put his reflexes about that if minato's combined with his superior speed.
back then he said minato dodged his top speed yes but his top speed then could have been v1
he is just saying that his top speed has been dodged twice even thought he had improved :shrug:

look at this




again this all ties back to whether he had v2 back then

Thing is Minato has unrivalled Reflex's and naruto could even dodge his V2... So it's not sweet for Minato .. V1 was a walk in the park for him... V2 will be the same result ...

[wyliejl]

you can see the side though and the hair looks full flat :shrug:

So was last pic except the very end.....that what u cant see on the other pic.... do i need to bring the crayons out!!!!!

[Sexy Steel]

Thing is Minato has unrivalled Reflex's and naruto could even dodge his V2... So it's not sweet for Minato .. V1 was a walk in the park for him... V2 will be the same result ...

some people have said that his head band was preventing his hair from spiking up which is possible, minato had good reflex's but i think naruto's his better, his foot speed which is faster than raikage's speed as a whole combined with his pre-cog (sensing violent intentions) i think is above that of minato's

[Sexy Steel]

So was last pic except the very end.....that what u cant see on the other pic.... do i need to bring the crayons out!!!!!

i could be overlooking things i am not trying to force my assumptions lol
no, you don;t need the crayons

[wyliejl]

i could be overlooking things i am not trying to force my assumptions lol
no, you don;t need the crayons

Good cause i cant color worth a shit lol

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Minato > A. He has faster reflexes, speed, and is smarter. Minato takes A anytime.

[★T Bogard]

it can be said that v1 can easily be followed, sasuke did it with his sharingan, Ao was able to do it, so was naruto

Ao was able to follow A? When?

considering when he fought naruto, naruto can sense evil intensions which automatically put his reflexes above that of minato's combined with his superior foot speed.

I don't think Narutos reflexes are on par with Minato. I actually believe the contrary especially when i see how easily Naruto gets caught by his opponents some times, in same positions where i don't see Minato get caught

back then he said minato dodged his top speed yes but his top speed then could have been v1
he is just saying that his top speed has been dodged twice even thought he had improved :shrug:

And again, all what you say just comes from your imagination. Actually if i were to go with my imagination, i could also say that in the contrary, Raikages speed decreased with time. Don't forget he is old after all(Naruto refered to him as a old grandpa), i can say that he probably didn't even had time to train because of his new function as Kage, so he was sometimes out of shape but i've no proof about it. Raikage in the contrary can show us that proof since he is the first concerned about it. He knows if he improved his full speed or not. Sasuke dodged his punch, but A never refered to him, which means A wasn't going with his full speed. In the contrary he says that Minato and Naruto are the only one who were able to do so

look at this

again this all ties back to whether he had v2 back then

You know that in the fight against Minato, he had a headband, right? Something he didn't had anymore either against Sasuke or Naruto. The headband is supposed to catch the hair. So how can you compare the difference in hair between Raikage with headband and without it?

[kyubbi sagemode]

Cause he's wearing a headband cause he wasn't the raikage back then, his dad was the raikage back then, amd he even said, that minato avoided his full speed and admitted that minato is faster than him

[Sexy Steel]

Ao was able to follow A? When?

I don't think Narutos reflexes are on par with Minato. I actually believe the contrary especially when i see how easily Naruto gets caught by his opponents some times, in same positions where i don't see Minato get caught


And again, all what you say just comes from your imagination. Actually if i were to go with my imagination, i could also say that in the contrary, Raikages speed decreased with time. Don't forget he is old after all(Naruto refered to him as a old grandpa), i can say that he probably didn't even had time to train because of his new function as Kage, so he was sometimes out of shape but i've no proof about it. Raikage in the contrary can show us that proof since he is the first concerned about it. He knows if he improved his full speed or not. Sasuke dodged his punch, but A never refered to him, which means A wasn't going with his full speed. In the contrary he says that Minato and Naruto are the only one who were able to do so


You know that in the fight against Minato, he had a headband, right? Something he didn't had anymore either against Sasuke or Naruto. The headband is supposed to catch the hair. So how can you compare the difference in hair between Raikage with headband and without it?

i never mentioned A i said v1 (something 3 raikage used?)
naruto's is better, he has precog and better foot speed then A, meaning before raikage even moves he can already counter act. Minato on the other hand reacted when A was a few inches away
naruto can react before A moves a muscle, minato reacted when A was a few inches before he reacted (throwing the kunai)


i don;t think A got slower, it's like saying A got weaker cuz he aged

the head band still is argueable at least the bottom of his hair should move up a little, but the head band does count for something.