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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    Eh, I was just expressing my opinion. I'll be a smart a** and forgive you for not giving a damn
    Hold to your beliefs, it means nothing if you don't. And Train, after the mods see this, I'll probably be banned. I'm pretty sure they would consider this crossing the line. So you might save your breath while I'm still round and kicking.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
    Hold to your beliefs, it means nothing if you don't. And Train, after the mods see this, I'll probably be banned. I'm pretty sure they would consider this crossing the line. So you might save your breath while I'm still round and kicking.
    Nah, unless you were reported, they won't read the posts and just close it...giving no infractions. You won't be banned anyway, just given an infraction. Unless you already have some, then you won't be banned. Unless they consider it a more serious offense, which I doubt would be the case. Most likely you won't get anything though. I'd advise against further offenses though.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    Nah, unless you were reported, they won't read the posts and just close it...giving no infractions. You won't be banned anyway, just given an infraction. Unless you already have some, then you won't be banned. Unless they consider it a more serious offense, which I doubt would be the case. Most likely you won't get anything though. I'd advise against further offenses though.
    Suppose I'll try to keep a cooler head. I appreciate you trying to talk some sense though. I suppose if I feel the need to openly express my displeasure I'll just keep my mouth shut from here on out...although I suppose to formally answer the thread for the first time today, no, I do not believe pedophiles are born the way they are.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
    Suppose I'll try to keep a cooler head. I appreciate you trying to talk some sense though. I suppose if I feel the need to openly express my displeasure I'll just keep my mouth shut from here on out...although I suppose to formally answer the thread for the first time today, no, I do not believe pedophiles are born the way they are.
    Yeah, it's hard to not say anything at times, but one eventually learns to say nothing when they can't say something nice.

    Nope, pedophiles are turned into what they are, just like homosexuals...but that's a discussion for another thread.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
    Suppose I'll try to keep a cooler head. I appreciate you trying to talk some sense though. I suppose if I feel the need to openly express my displeasure I'll just keep my mouth shut from here on out...although I suppose to formally answer the thread for the first time today, no, I do not believe pedophiles are born the way they are.


    did you even read the link?
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    did you even read the link?
    Let me rephrase myself, because it seems I mispoke slightly; even if they were "born that way", it doesn't make their actions right. Restraint, physical and mental, should be practiced. Sexual urges can (and should, on all levels) be controlled. Especially ones that are illegal. So, I suppose I should have said I believe that "Pedophilia is wrong; the circumstances leading up to it are irrelevant."
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

    Quote Originally Posted by Germanicus View Post
    Let me rephrase myself, because it seems I mispoke slightly; even if they were "born that way", it doesn't make their actions right. Restraint, physical and mental, should be practiced. Sexual urges can (and should, on all levels) be controlled. Especially ones that are illegal. So, I suppose I should have said I believe that "Pedophilia is wrong; the circumstances leading up to it are irrelevant."
    So you hold that same philosophy with homosexuality? They both claim to be born that way and with research being done its being shown to be true.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    So you hold that same philosophy with homosexuality? They both claim to be born that way and with research being done its being shown to be true.
    You're putting words in my mouth; I do not believe homosexuality to be wrong. It is not because they were "born that way" that I dislike pedophiles. I dislike them because they want to do horrible things to young children.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    So you hold that same philosophy with homosexuality? They both claim to be born that way and with research being done its being shown to be true.
    My opinion on that is yes. Homosexuality and pedophilia, as well as necrophilia and all forms of disturbing sexual conduct, is a choice.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    You're putting words in my mouth; I do not believe homosexuality to be wrong. It is not because they were "born that way" that I dislike pedophiles. I dislike them because they want to do horrible things to young children.
    I meant do you sorry im on a typo. Dont you think everyone deserves equality? Im getting a general opinion i already said i dont support them.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    My opinion on that is yes. Homosexuality and pedophilia, as well as necrophilia and all forms of disturbing sexual conduct, is a choice.
    I don't think homosexuality is a choice because that's like saying Heterosexuality is a choice as well. I mean i like women I don't think I debated whether or not I should sleep with a man or a woman today.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    My opinion on that is yes. Homosexuality and pedophilia, as well as necrophilia and all forms of disturbing sexual conduct, is a choice.
    I originally thought the same way. However i speak on whether theyre born that way. Anyone can control their urges.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    My opinion on that is yes. Homosexuality and pedophilia, as well as necrophilia and all forms of disturbing sexual conduct, is a choice.
    Not to go off topic, but how is homosexuality a disturbing sexual conduct?
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    I meant do you sorry im on a typo. Dont you think everyone deserves equality? Im getting a general opinion i already said i dont support them.
    *sigh* You're asking a tough question. One, it would be wrong to persecute them if they were born that way and they legitimately could not help it. On the other hand, the practice is disturbing and makes me ill to think about. I suppose, for this one, my own morals could not possibly allow me to accept this as a practice we should allow...HOWEVER. As society itself, democratic society at the least, cannot afford to be biased based upon factors such as these...jeesh, this is the ultimate conflict between my political beliefs and my moral standards. It's the abortion debate all over again.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

    To those that believe they are "born that way" or insert genetic excuse here because a scientist said so, you are wrong. You have absolute control over 100% of your actions. Because otherwise this means there are people who are living that have zero control over their actions similar to a dog with rabies. You are on the same level as an animal. You know what happens to dog with rabies.....they get put down. Because they are not in control anymore and are a threat to everyone around them. So if people are not in control and are a threat to our children because they have "rabies" they should be put down. However this is not the case and people choose to live corrupt lives. Also, no matter how innocent they seem these "scientists" are being paid good money to "prove" whatever a drug company wants, to legitimize to sell a drug to sheep that cannot or will not think for themselves.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

    Quote Originally Posted by leggomynecro View Post
    To those that believe they are "born that way" or insert genetic excuse here because a scientist said so, you are wrong. You have absolute control over 100% of your actions. Because otherwise this means there are people who are living that have zero control over their actions similar to a dog with rabies. You are on the same level as an animal. You know what happens to dog with rabies.....they get put down. Because they are not in control anymore and are a threat to everyone around them. So if people are not in control and are a threat to our children because they have "rabies" they should be put down. However this is not the case and people choose to live corrupt lives. Also, no matter how innocent they seem these "scientists" are being paid good money to "prove" whatever a drug company wants, to legitimize to sell a drug to sheep that cannot or will not think for themselves.
    I'm sorry, I dislike pedophilia as well, but...who exactly would pay a scientist to say that a pedophile has a genetic disorder?
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

    Someone who has money and is looking to make a lot more. You think scientists do this in their spare time for fun? They are getting paid by someone to research such "conditions".
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    Someone who has money and is looking to make a lot more. You think scientists do this in their spare time for fun? They are getting paid by someone to research such "conditions".
    So, are you implying that you think someone could profit from pedophilia being a genetic disorder? I find that hard to believe.
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

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    Not to go off topic, but how is homosexuality a disturbing sexual conduct?
    I'm not really wanting to reply to the others, but I will say that I was mainly speaking of male homosexuality. It is disturbing not only because it was forbidden, but also because it's just disturbing. I mean really? Really? It's actually natural for women to be somewhat attracted to each other, but men? Really? I literally thought it was a joke when I was first told about it...then come to find out that it's real...wow. If you don't think it's disturbing, then there's something wrong, either that or society is more influencial than I thought it was.

    Just like pedophilia. Who would ever be attracted to a child? I can understand 200-500 years ago when people would be married off at a very young age, but that was how things were done, and it's not that bad considering the average life was very short...they mostly just wanted children before the people croaked. That's not pedophilia, it's survival. Otherwise, who wants a flat chested girl in bed with hardly any pubes to speak of? Or a man that can barely hold it long enough to do anything sensual since his puberty makes for premature ejaculation?

    Seriously...we need James cameron to raise the bar (South Park reference FTW!)
     
         

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    Re: Pedophiles are born that way

    Quote Originally Posted by leggomynecro View Post
    To those that believe they are "born that way" or insert genetic excuse here because a scientist said so, you are wrong. You have absolute control over 100% of your actions. Because otherwise this means there are people who are living that have zero control over their actions similar to a dog with rabies. You are on the same level as an animal. You know what happens to dog with rabies.....they get put down. Because they are not in control anymore and are a threat to everyone around them. So if people are not in control and are a threat to our children because they have "rabies" they should be put down. However this is not the case and people choose to live corrupt lives. Also, no matter how innocent they seem these "scientists" are being paid good money to "prove" whatever a drug company wants, to legitimize to sell a drug to sheep that cannot or will not think for themselves.
    I applaud you for a compelling argument. However according to your logic everyone can make free choices. By that logic why should someone have to be persecuted and "put down" because of how he is. If he truly is born that way then its wrong to tell him he can't do whats natural to him.
     
         
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