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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Knives out View Post
    Giving minato abilties he hasn't shown in the manga is fanboyism and illogical.

    I hope i don't see people arguing in the vs threads stating minato has this technique or I'm giving sakura rinegan eyes.
    so by your logic minato doesnt have elemental affinities even we got hint he doesnt have coz we havent seen them?
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Knives out View Post
    Giving minato abilties he hasn't shown in the manga is fanboyism and illogical.

    I hope i don't see people arguing in the vs threads stating minato has this technique or I'm giving sakura rinegan eyes.
    Yea for real +rep
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Quote Originally Posted by BloodSeed View Post
    so by your logic minato doesnt have elemental affinities even we got hint he doesnt have coz we havent seen them?
    not everybody has
    /uses chakra natures
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Quote Originally Posted by uncle sam View Post
    not everybody has
    /uses chakra natures
    it has hint that he wants to infuse his chakra nature on the rasengan but failed due to premature death. now are you saying that he doesnt have chakra nature to infuse since we havent seen it?
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Quote Originally Posted by BloodSeed View Post
    it has hint that he wants to infuse his chakra nature on the rasengan but failed due to premature death. now are you saying that he doesnt have chakra nature to infuse since we havent seen it?
    No,if it was implied that he could use a chakra change that's completely diffrent then shadow clones because its never even been slightly hinted he could use that.
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Quote Originally Posted by uncle sam View Post
    No,if it was implied that he could use a chakra change that's completely diffrent then shadow clones because its never even been slightly hinted he could use that.

    read what the op posted at page 1 it was hinted
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Its only on here that you would get away with such a thread, because majority are lacking the basics. On another forum you'd get dispatched with minimum effort. You should look on the bright side though, ill take it easy. Ill admit i just skim read your thread and i believe i got the basics.

    First is that the academy DO NOT teach forbidden technique's. Thats what kinjutsu is and that is what a kage bunshin is unless you want to challenge me.

    Also production of bunshin is what is needed to graduate at the academy rock lee couldnt have used this technique since he has no talent so he mustve graduated by other means and the same was naruto who couldnt produce this technique, his problem was chakra control. However he used the kage bunshin which to iruka was enough to graduate him. What im saying is that there are other way to get graduate, though minato wouldnt have the problems that lee and naruto faced im confident he knows the bunshin no jutsu, however the kage bunshin im not too sure about

    Second mistake you made was to confuse a bunshin no jutsu to a kage bunshin no jutsu. The two techniques are different. The bunshin no jutsu is what is taught at the academy at the DB states;

    one Technique (分身の術, Bunshin no Jutsu)
    Ninjutsu, E-rank, Supplementary
    Users: Uzumaki Naruto, Haruno Sakura, et al

    Creating one's own after-image and confusing the enemy!!

    A ninjutsu that creates an after-image of one's own body, without any substance. Since the clone itself doesn't have the ability to attack, and thus can only be used to confuse the enemy, it is mainly used in combination with other ninjutsu. It's a basic technique, but depending on one's ingenuity, it can be used effectively.

    [picture of Sakura and two of her clones attacking Ino]
    ↑As Ino said, the "Clone Technique" is a ninjutsu that every ninja can use.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ◆Shinobi◆An elementary technique, even used as the Academy graduation exam

    This technique, used in the graduation exam, is one of the ninjutsu Naruto is poor at. Because of it, he has failed the exam three times...

    First Databook, page 220



    A kage bunshin in the DB is;

    Shadow Clone Technique (影分身の術, Kage Bunshin no Jutsu)
    Ninjutsu, B-rank, Supplementary
    Users: Uzumaki Naruto, Hatake Kakashi, et al

    A ninjutsu that creates a true copy of something. What makes it different from the normal "Clone Technique"* is that it creates a clone with substance, making them able to perform physical attacks. It's a high grade ninjutsu, allowing the clone to various techniques of the user. It used to be Naruto's worst skill, but nowadays it's his favourite by far. The way he uses it is also extraordinarily clever.

    That shadow
    It changes into yet another real body!!

    [picture of Naruto attacking Zabuza from behind]
    [picture of Naruto attacking Neji from the ground]
    ←↑By using the clone to attract the enemy's attention, the real body can appear from an unexpected place and launch an attack! This is the clever way the "Shadow Clone Technique" can be used.

    *Clone Technique (分身の術, Bunshin no Jutsu)
    First Databook, page 170


    Or a link to narutopedia since that makes it easier to digest;
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_Technique

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_Clone_Technique

    Third is that what ibusi said isnt statute. Hokage's do get the availability of scrolls to learn, however you have to remember that learning all those techniques in the scroll takes time. Something that hiruzen managed to do and that is why he got his nickname, not only god of shinobi but also the professor and was hyped to have known al the techniques in konoha. He was the longest reigning hokage therefore he has in him what it takes to learn all those techniques, but also the sarutobi clan are known to be quick learners. To put it simple, minato's time as hokage was most likely the shortest because the gap between when obito attacked the village and when he become hokage (shortly after the 3rd war) isnt that great. He no where near had the time hiruzen did to learn all those techniques in the scroll.

    May i also that the scroll of the hokages is hashirama/tobirama's scroll and not hiruzens or minato's. The senju are hyped to be masters of all forms of ninja art, but also if you go back in manga chapters you'd see hashirama with several scrolls with him. Those are his scrolls that he left for the next generation of hokages. Ive read the whole thread and you must be trolling to think those scrolls are minato's. Hiruzen got the nickname professor for his vast knowledge in ninjutsu and he got this title during his prime. In his prime was when he was the sensei of the sannins and the sannins who were around12/13. Meaning if minato was born he was either an infant or wasnt even born at all. How the hell did he create those scrolls when he most likely wasnt even alive for hiruzen to learn the techniques in them and get the title professor. Its obvious its one of hashirama's scrolls;



    Some people have no idea what mizuki was talking about when he said that "scroll was used to seal you". Mizuki asked naruto to steal the scroll of seals for him. The reason he believed that, its what was used to seal naruto (fox) is because its the scroll of seals, however he is wrong because that is hashirama's scroll, but also the shiki fuin ISNT in that scroll, but also how the hell does he know what seal was used to seal naruto to my knowledge the shiki fuin is a technique that only a handful of people know, to an extent that orochimaru a kinjutsu/fuinjutsu expert had no ideaw what the technique was but also was mizuki wasnt there during that night when minato used it. He just put 1 and 2 together and guessed that its one of these seals that was used to seal the fox because that is the scroll of seals, however he is wrong. Even this page should clarify it;

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Scroll_of_Seals

    Ite very possible that minato knew how to use the kage bunshin, however you havent done him justice at all. You'd probably want to dispute this however you shouldnt bother, i just came here to reply to my fans but also;
    • You got the two techniques mixed up
    • Ninja's can still graduate from the academy without needing to use the bunshin no jutsu
    • The scroll was hashirama's
    • The academy will not teach kinjutsu's which is what kage bunshin is



    All youve said from start to finish is WRONG!!!. I hope you are still a fan of mine though?
     
         
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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    The fact is you cant prove a negative (that is science and logic not opinion) so asking your opposition to prove that he didnt have it is not fair as the party suggesting he has it you must prove that he had it their responsibility is to provide doubt, which they have, not to disprove you fully. That is all.
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Brain says yes.
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    he's hokage he should be.
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Blaze killed that shit
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    I would be surprised if he didn't. But in regards to debate, until it's seen that he can do it, it cannot be included in his list of known techniques.
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    He was a kage after all.....and kage bunshin no jutsu is a jounin level jutsu
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    I dont see why he wouldnt be able to use it......Plus if you think about it. It would make his ftg even more powerfull by throwing lots of kunai and being able to make tons of shadow clones to be at multiple places at once...
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    remember that Kage bunshin is a first grade tech
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Here is another assumption for ya

    I don't get why some people rate the third hokage so high...

    Is knowing all the "jutsus" the same as saying knowing all the strong jutsus? or Is knowing all the jutsus the same as being able to perform them? Again this depends on who says this statement. Within all the jutsus in konoha, there are some that are bloodline jutsus which I am 100 percent certain the third hokage can not use them. Maybe he can teach to his students about those jutsus because again he is a "Professor". He is suppose to know them in order to teach them to those that can use them or need them.

    Why do people still think the third hokage can perform all the jutsus of konoha? Maybe he just knows them? Which would explain why he wasn't shown using various jutsus.

    which is better? perfecting one or three jutsus or knowing all jutsus? Naruto has perfected kage bushin and made it a very powerful jutsu that can be used in battle. Minato perfected the FTG. He used the marks on kunais and he could basically mark anywhere he wanted and teleport to that mark. Minato didn't necessarily need the kunai's to teleport. He could use a simple rock, mark the rock and the rock would become his new loop point where he can teleport.

    Getting really really good with 1-4 jutsus is far better than just knowing all jutsus.
     
         
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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    The scroll probably contains cool techniques like the Dead Demon Consuming Seal
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Yes.
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Unless shown in the manga minato does not have this technique
     
         

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    Re: Can Minato do Kage Bunshin? (must read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze Release View Post
    Its only on here that you would get away with such a thread, because majority are lacking the basics. On another forum you'd get dispatched with minimum effort. You should look on the bright side though, ill take it easy. Ill admit i just skim read your thread and i believe i got the basics.

    First is that the academy DO NOT teach forbidden technique's. Thats what kinjutsu is and that is what a kage bunshin is unless you want to challenge me.

    Also production of bunshin is what is needed to graduate at the academy rock lee couldnt have used this technique since he has no talent so he mustve graduated by other means and the same was naruto who couldnt produce this technique, his problem was chakra control. However he used the kage bunshin which to iruka was enough to graduate him. What im saying is that there are other way to get graduate, though minato wouldnt have the problems that lee and naruto faced im confident he knows the bunshin no jutsu, however the kage bunshin im not too sure about

    Second mistake you made was to confuse a bunshin no jutsu to a kage bunshin no jutsu. The two techniques are different. The bunshin no jutsu is what is taught at the academy at the DB states;

    one Technique (分身の術, Bunshin no Jutsu)
    Ninjutsu, E-rank, Supplementary
    Users: Uzumaki Naruto, Haruno Sakura, et al

    Creating one's own after-image and confusing the enemy!!

    A ninjutsu that creates an after-image of one's own body, without any substance. Since the clone itself doesn't have the ability to attack, and thus can only be used to confuse the enemy, it is mainly used in combination with other ninjutsu. It's a basic technique, but depending on one's ingenuity, it can be used effectively.

    [picture of Sakura and two of her clones attacking Ino]
    ↑As Ino said, the "Clone Technique" is a ninjutsu that every ninja can use.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ◆Shinobi◆An elementary technique, even used as the Academy graduation exam

    This technique, used in the graduation exam, is one of the ninjutsu Naruto is poor at. Because of it, he has failed the exam three times...

    First Databook, page 220



    A kage bunshin in the DB is;

    Shadow Clone Technique (影分身の術, Kage Bunshin no Jutsu)
    Ninjutsu, B-rank, Supplementary
    Users: Uzumaki Naruto, Hatake Kakashi, et al

    A ninjutsu that creates a true copy of something. What makes it different from the normal "Clone Technique"* is that it creates a clone with substance, making them able to perform physical attacks. It's a high grade ninjutsu, allowing the clone to various techniques of the user. It used to be Naruto's worst skill, but nowadays it's his favourite by far. The way he uses it is also extraordinarily clever.

    That shadow
    It changes into yet another real body!!

    [picture of Naruto attacking Zabuza from behind]
    [picture of Naruto attacking Neji from the ground]
    ←↑By using the clone to attract the enemy's attention, the real body can appear from an unexpected place and launch an attack! This is the clever way the "Shadow Clone Technique" can be used.

    *Clone Technique (分身の術, Bunshin no Jutsu)
    First Databook, page 170


    Or a link to narutopedia since that makes it easier to digest;
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_Technique

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Shadow_Clone_Technique

    Third is that what ibusi said isnt statute. Hokage's do get the availability of scrolls to learn, however you have to remember that learning all those techniques in the scroll takes time. Something that hiruzen managed to do and that is why he got his nickname, not only god of shinobi but also the professor and was hyped to have known al the techniques in konoha. He was the longest reigning hokage therefore he has in him what it takes to learn all those techniques, but also the sarutobi clan are known to be quick learners. To put it simple, minato's time as hokage was most likely the shortest because the gap between when obito attacked the village and when he become hokage (shortly after the 3rd war) isnt that great. He no where near had the time hiruzen did to learn all those techniques in the scroll.

    May i also that the scroll of the hokages is hashirama/tobirama's scroll and not hiruzens or minato's. The senju are hyped to be masters of all forms of ninja art, but also if you go back in manga chapters you'd see hashirama with several scrolls with him. Those are his scrolls that he left for the next generation of hokages. Ive read the whole thread and you must be trolling to think those scrolls are minato's. Hiruzen got the nickname professor for his vast knowledge in ninjutsu and he got this title during his prime. In his prime was when he was the sensei of the sannins and the sannins who were around12/13. Meaning if minato was born he was either an infant or wasnt even born at all. How the hell did he create those scrolls when he most likely wasnt even alive for hiruzen to learn the techniques in them and get the title professor. Its obvious its one of hashirama's scrolls;



    Some people have no idea what mizuki was talking about when he said that "scroll was used to seal you". Mizuki asked naruto to steal the scroll of seals for him. The reason he believed that, its what was used to seal naruto (fox) is because its the scroll of seals, however he is wrong because that is hashirama's scroll, but also the shiki fuin ISNT in that scroll, but also how the hell does he know what seal was used to seal naruto to my knowledge the shiki fuin is a technique that only a handful of people know, to an extent that orochimaru a kinjutsu/fuinjutsu expert had no ideaw what the technique was but also was mizuki wasnt there during that night when minato used it. He just put 1 and 2 together and guessed that its one of these seals that was used to seal the fox because that is the scroll of seals, however he is wrong. Even this page should clarify it;

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Scroll_of_Seals

    Ite very possible that minato knew how to use the kage bunshin, however you havent done him justice at all. You'd probably want to dispute this however you shouldnt bother, i just came here to reply to my fans but also;
    • You got the two techniques mixed up
    • Ninja's can still graduate from the academy without needing to use the bunshin no jutsu
    • The scroll was hashirama's
    • The academy will not teach kinjutsu's which is what kage bunshin is



    All youve said from start to finish is WRONG!!!. I hope you are still a fan of mine though?
    LOL. what is this? Is this what you call proof? Where's the Minato "CANT" do here? Anything you'll say will end up speculating because even if i'll give you a whole day to search for that there's nowhere in the manga that states Minato CANT. If by any chance you'll use even a tiny fraction of the so called common sense then you will know that it is not impossible that he knows Kage Bunshin.

    It's true that the academy will not teach kinjutsu but if I have to ask you, is this technique something that is only applicable to someone? Everybody can learn it. Blaze, read what Hiruzen was saying. Who is the previous Hokage at that time? Who is the Hokage before Hiruzen in part 1? The first? Wow...

    He said that it was forbidden by the previous Hokage. I'm not debating that the seal was made by the 1st but my point is that Minato was able to take a hold of that scroll and was able to read it so if Naruto who can't do bunshin was able to learn Kage Bunshin in no time, how much more can Minato do? Someone who can create jutsu after jutsu can't learn a B rank tech which was written on the scroll?

    You are not proving anything here. Saying that you can prove that Minato can't do Kage Bunshin is a bold statement because you don't even have a tiny evidence. What you just did was to justify that Kage Bunshin is a kinjutsu and shouldn't be taught in the academy but what you fail to see was there are lots of nins in that same academy who can do Kage Bunshin. You also mentioned that the scroll is not Hiruzen or Minato. Read the scan Blaze and understand what Hiruzen was saying or what I was implying.


    Hiruzen here was the Hokage for the second time and who was the Hokage before him? Do we even need to debate on this? I know that you know what previous means! My point is that if Minato forbid the scroll then it means that he was able to read the content of the scroll and it's unlikely that he was not able to read how to do the 1st technique on the scroll.
     
         

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