Hell and Satan (and my views on religion)

[HiddenSound]

Please be serious about this thread. Immaturity and flaming will be minus rep'd and reported.

Okay, so here is what I believe about Hell and Satan, if there truly are such things. Some people say that Satan is not evil because he punishes evil. However, it is my belief that Satan is not punishing the evil. Satan himself is evil incarnate. Hell itself, a realm created God, punishes evil, not Satan. Satan is being punished there as well. So God is truly the one, in my belief, that punishes Satan and the evil, not Satan.

I consider myself to be something of a deist and a Christian at the same time. I believe in a single "God" and a "Satan" and in Heaven and Hell, or at least some sort of afterlife with the same elements as those. However, I do not follow a "religion." I believe that religion is one of the worst things on this world. It brings violence and ignorance, hatred, homophobia, greed, a herd mentality, and other things. I like the teachings of Jesus and I believe they should be followed by man. I believe the Bible itself is almost unnecessary, Jesus is the one whom you should pay attention to first, not all the stories that are highly likely made up. And even if Jesus never existed in the first place, that's fine. Then follow the idea of Jesus. Just don't be a douche, be a stand-up guy, is what I think the meaning of life is. And I believe, if you have done that, then you will be rewarded some how in some form of afterlife. I choose not to not believe in an afterlife, because then our one and only lives are truly insignificant.

Also, I'm all for people not being Christian or whatever, as long as they don't f*ck shit up. By that I mean, just follow some sort of peaceful ideology, no violence. In America, that usually manifests into "Christianity", but religion and the ignorance of man comes along and skews the teachings of Jesus to fit their own agendas. As long as it's a peaceful ideology that is about helping your fellow man, I say follow it.

If you read all that, thanks lol.

Please feel free to agree/disagree/discuss/all that jazz. But again, don't be a d*ck and flame or be immature about this. Thank you.

[SeriouslyNO]

Did anyone Call me?

OT: I agree with you somehow, because that's what i exactly doing now, i do not follow a religion, but i believe in god/devil, and i believe the ultimate goal for a human, is about keep being human, not losing itself for greed/etc... yet i respect those who has a religion and its followers, everyone is free to choose what they believe,

[~Kobak~]

I agree with almost everything except that I'm an atheist. Yeah there are some things in the Bible or Jesus' example that are good but religions didn't make the world better...and I find it interesting that you say you are Christian but don't believe in the afterlife but as an atheist I also don't really care about what happens after death because nothing will

[saaaaaadpanda]

You should read Paradise Lost by Milton. It might shape the way you view God, Lucifer, and religion, plus it's a classic.

[Deadai]

Question: Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't lucifer being sent down to hell namely because he did not want to accept having to obay God in treating Humans as equals? I mean think about it you are an Angel Gods right hand man and now you are being told to obay/respect something so lowly as Humans?

Just something that came to mind is all.

[Jack Spicer]

I read it and that's cool. As long as you don't go shoving your belief down throats, you're cool.

[Necromancer4276]

According to mephistophiles when questioned what a demon is doing out of hell in Dr. Faustus, merely living without god's love is hell in itself whether on earth or in hell.

[MellowHype]

So, you believe there's a higher power and some form of an afterlife? Just say that bro.

[Cursed Prince]

I dont mind if people have no religion. The only religion I hate is Scientology. The whole idea of it blows my mind.

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I'm not religious and I Dnt belive in god not really anyway but I respect ur views and I agree with u on some points ur type of ppl is more needed then the overly religious ppl who shoves it down ur throat

[Nazivon]

I liked your thoughts. *****
You really cleared my soul today.

[Prime Rib]

Heres proof that jesus is a real and god to, why do people get so work up over it if they dont believe in it? cause there eyes want to be open

[theRPGdude]

Personlly. I'm the modest religion type. And I believe in the Bible and what it says. And to have an understanding of it and mediation is the key qualities of understanding Jehovah. I'm not prefect to understand his thoughts. But he can help me with the help of his spirit. I don't like to talk about these topics mainly because of different views. And people who are atheist don't want nothing to do with this. And with the free will we have. No one can choose for us. We can make our own paths and what we say determines are lives. I'm not gonna shove a bible into people's faces. What I do and teach to people is to have a better understanding of the bible. Were bible students.

And with your thread. Sounds like you have a clear mind. But personally. Hell exist in a way. But it's not gonna burn everyone to the ground and the earth is destroyed. Jehovah made this world so we may live forever. Why would he destroy it? And torment people in hell? He's a god of love! This is cruel even for him. So no Hell is something else. And my beliefs is what I believe and what I been teached. I don't need someone say stuff otherwise cause it's not my place. Plus I don't have time.

And Satan is a crafty devil. He's a bird catcher. A lion. A serpent. A dragon. He's evil itself. Satan has influence countless of people and are first parents. Jesus gave his life so we may live. John 3:16 - For god loved the world so much he gave his son so we may live, not to be destroyed, but to have everlasting life. He set the bar that Adam lost. And gave somehow meaningful to us.

That's all I'm gonna say. If anything keep the peace and come with agreements. And don't reply if your gonna troll.

[HiddenSound]

I agree with almost everything except that I'm an atheist. Yeah there are some things in the Bible or Jesus' example that are good but religions didn't make the world better...and I find it interesting that you say you are Christian but don't believe in the afterlife but as an atheist I also don't really care about what happens after death because nothing will

I think you misunderstood lol. I do believe in some form of afterlife. I hope one exists because if it doesn't, life is insignificant and way, way too short. I know the idea of an afterlife seems silly, but I just choose to believe it If I do believe in some form of afterlife, then I'll be happy on my deathbed. And if there's no afterlife, then I won't know because I'll be nothing after I die.

You should read Paradise Lost by Milton. It might shape the way you view God, Lucifer, and religion, plus it's a classic.

So I've heard. I don't think I have the time to sit down and read that now though, lol. I'm in high school, but I'm in plays, which (you may not know) are very, very time-consuming. Last one was Macbeth, after it we had no break and started the next one the day after Macbeth was done. So I'm too busy rehearsing all day after school... But after awhile I'll have time and I may read it or at least part of it.

[theRPGdude]

That disliked was by mistake. It was supposed to be a like.

[ItachiLeeHatake]

I'm Christian and very much believe in after, Jesus Christ, God, Satan, etc. I respect people who aren't Christian, but are still good people. Though, I could never understand an atheist. How could one believe that nothing happens after death? That's absurd.
My questions for atheists:
-You believe that all the connections we make with people just disappear after death and are irrelevant?
-You believe that nothing awaits those that have either died young or had a complete crap life or both? For example, a 5 year old boy gets killed in a car accident. So, you think that's it for his existence? WTF!
-You believe nothing those of pure hearts and kindness aren't rewarded for putting up and staying strong in such a pathetic, sad world?
-You believe those who bring nothing but evil and harm to others aren't punished after death? Let's say a serial killer has never been caught by the law and dies a natural death. That's it? He just dies and is never punished for his crimes?!
-Things just happen to seem so perfect like this thanks to evolution? Penis just happens to go in vagina? The Earth just happens to be rich of oxygen, which is exactly what we creatures of the earth need to survive? There just happen to be a sun and a moon? The sun just so happens to be the perfect distance? Not close enough to burn us to death or far away enough for us not to get any warmth.
-You doubt a universe could be created by one being. Most humans don't even have an IQ of 200, yet we are able to discover the science of our planet and such. If God has an IQ, it would be a never-ending number. So, what makes you think that God can't create the things that make up the universe? God created science as a way to test mankind's faith. If we were made of rubber or something like, but still able to see, hear, smell, talk, etc, then it'll be obvious that God existed. Though, since we are made up of such complex things, you doubt a being created us and evolution created did!?
You people need to get real!

[theRPGdude]

Only source they can run to the Evolution and we all know that's false.

[~Kobak~]

I think you misunderstood lol. I do believe in some form of afterlife. I hope one exists because if it doesn't, life is insignificant and way, way too short. I know the idea of an afterlife seems silly, but I just choose to believe it If I do believe in some form of afterlife, then I'll be happy on my deathbed. And if there's no afterlife, then I won't know because I'll be nothing after I die.

I see Sorry I really misunderstood it. I know that reasoning, it's quite comfortable, but as for me, if i don't believe in it, then I don't:shrug: Even if there was something after death, I dont care, I don't wanna live forever.

[HiddenSound]

Question: Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't lucifer being sent down to hell namely because he did not want to accept having to obay God in treating Humans as equals? I mean think about it you are an Angel Gods right hand man and now you are being told to obay/respect something so lowly as Humans?

Just something that came to mind is all.

I have absolutely no idea. That is the kind of idea that I don't care about because I find it irrelevant. Plus, no one can answer that, they weren't there lol. The reason I talked about Hell and Satan is because that's why imagine the Christian Hell to be like, but I'm not certain. Humans will never be able to comprehend the magnitude of a god and what he does and why he does it. People who do say they know what God wants are arrogant. The thing about Hell just came to mind. But I digress, I dunno

I read it and that's cool. As long as you don't go shoving your belief down throats, you're cool.

Exactly. And thanks.

According to mephistophiles when questioned what a demon is doing out of hell in Dr. Faustus, merely living without god's love is hell in itself whether on earth or in hell.

Faust is a very, very interesting piece of literature.

So, you believe there's a higher power and some form of an afterlife? Just say that bro.

Because I wanted to explain my thoughts in detail.

I dont mind if people have no religion. The only religion I hate is Scientology. The whole idea of it blows my mind.

That's an example of how man totally eviscerates the idea of "God."

I'm not religious and I Dnt belive in god not really anyway but I respect ur views and I agree with u on some points ur type of ppl is more needed then the overly religious ppl who shoves it down ur throat

Thanks

I liked your thoughts. *****
You really cleared my soul today.

Thanks and glad to be of some unexpected help :D

Heres proof that jesus is a real and god to, why do people get so work up over it if they dont believe in it? cause there eyes want to be open

It's nowhere near that simple, unfortunately.

Personlly. I'm the modest religion type. And I believe in the Bible and what it says. And to have an understanding of it and mediation is the key qualities of understanding Jehovah. I'm not prefect to understand his thoughts. But he can help me with the help of his spirit. I don't like to talk about these topics mainly because of different views. And people who are atheist don't want nothing to do with this. And with the free will we have. No one can choose for us. We can make our own paths and what we say determines are lives. I'm not gonna shove a bible into people's faces. What I do and teach to people is to have a better understanding of the bible. Were bible students.

And with your thread. Sounds like you have a clear mind. But personally. Hell exist in a way. But it's not gonna burn everyone to the ground and the earth is destroyed. Jehovah made this world so we may live forever. Why would he destroy it? And torment people in hell? He's a god of love! This is cruel even for him. So no Hell is something else. And my beliefs is what I believe and what I been teached. I don't need someone say stuff otherwise cause it's not my place. Plus I don't have time.

And Satan is a crafty devil. He's a bird catcher. A lion. A serpent. A dragon. He's evil itself. Satan has influence countless of people and are first parents. Jesus gave his life so we may live. John 3:16 - For god loved the world so much he gave his son so we may live, not to be destroyed, but to have everlasting life. He set the bar that Adam lost. And gave somehow meaningful to us.

That's all I'm gonna say. If anything keep the peace and come with agreements. And don't reply if your gonna troll.

You are an excellent example of a good Christian. Christianity definitely needs more people like you. And less like the f*cking Westboro Baptists...

[Shinoberic]

great belief.

[HiddenSound]

I see Sorry I really misunderstood it. I know that reasoning, it's quite comfortable, but as for me, if i don't believe in it, then I don't:shrug: Even if there was something after death, I dont care, I don't wanna live forever.

lol It's okay, dude. I can understand why people don't believe in an afterlife because it is kinda ridiculous. But that's what faith is for. I also believe that even if someone doesn't believe in a god but they're good people, they will have some sort of reward if an afterlife exists. And if it doesn't, then peaceful nothingness is a pretty good substitute

[ItachiLeeHatake]

I just hope that everyone gets what they deserve at the end. Only God knows the true depths of our souls and hearts, so I couldn't tell anyone where they deserve to go in the afterlife. I hope I convinced some non-believers at there with my first post. Convinced or not, I did my part.

[Makoto]

Please be serious about this thread. Immaturity and flaming will be minus rep'd and reported.

Okay, so here is what I believe about Hell and Satan, if there truly are such things. Some people say that Satan is not evil because he punishes evil. However, it is my belief that Satan is not punishing the evil. Satan himself is evil incarnate. Hell itself, a realm created God, punishes evil, not Satan. Satan is being punished there as well. So God is truly the one, in my belief, that punishes Satan and the evil, not Satan.

I consider myself to be something of a deist and a Christian at the same time. I believe in a single "God" and a "Satan" and in Heaven and Hell, or at least some sort of afterlife with the same elements as those. However, I do not follow a "religion." I believe that religion is one of the worst things on this world. It brings violence and ignorance, hatred, homophobia, greed, a herd mentality, and other things. I like the teachings of Jesus and I believe they should be followed by man. I believe the Bible itself is almost unnecessary, Jesus is the one whom you should pay attention to first, not all the stories that are highly likely made up. And even if Jesus never existed in the first place, that's fine. Then follow the idea of Jesus. Just don't be a douche, be a stand-up guy, is what I think the meaning of life is. And I believe, if you have done that, then you will be rewarded some how in some form of afterlife. I choose not to not believe in an afterlife, because then our one and only lives are truly insignificant.

Also, I'm all for people not being Christian or whatever, as long as they don't f*ck shit up. By that I mean, just follow some sort of peaceful ideology, no violence. In America, that usually manifests into "Christianity", but religion and the ignorance of man comes along and skews the teachings of Jesus to fit their own agendas. As long as it's a peaceful ideology that is about helping your fellow man, I say follow it.

If you read all that, thanks lol.

Please feel free to agree/disagree/discuss/all that jazz. But again, don't be a d*ck and flame or be immature about this. Thank you.

Finally someone who starts a controversial thread just wanting a good discussion and not shoving down his beliefs on others or saying who goes to heaven or hell. As a Christian myself, I do believe in God, heaven, hell, and the bible as the word of God. I would like to point out that free will has to be the most amazing gift ever because everyone is allowed to choose the path they want to take. Unfortunately, a lot of Christians are known to be...let's be kind, not educated about evolution, abiogenesis, and, most surprisingly, the bible itself. I respect Christianity, the religion Jesus taught, but not religion itself. You see, people do tons of donations to churches and priests end up abusing their power. They use to money to build more churches, to buy fancy cars, fancy houses, etc. It sets up a bad example to everyone else. I can go on and on, but you get the point.

I pretty much agree with most of what you said. For me, I do my best to follow Jesus' example to love others, to be kind, to be respectful, etc. I don't like going to church that keeps emphasizing you need forgiveness from a priest, and they insist praying to God for forgiveness isn't good enough when the bible says otherwise. The reason Jesus was crucified was BECAUSE of being able to forgive sins, yet here we are with the catholic church stating it can forgive sins. ONLY God can forgive sins. I was born Catholic, but I don't follow Catholicism. I don't like to label myself with what church I am so I simply prefer Christian, strictly following the bible. I don't take everything literally as there are instances that can't be taken literally, such as when I read the book of revelation. What can I take literally in that book? It's all symbols that need interpretation, yet when I read genesis, I can't take it figuratively because it's the bible's foundation on why a saviour was needed, why there's death, disease, sin, etc. So what I do is I read the context around it as well and I form my best explanation of things. Granted I can be wrong, but I would be happy to have a friendly discussion about that.

Anyway, that's quite enough for someone to read. Any questions or rebuttals for an interesting discussion are always welcome. Flamers and trolls will be ignored.

Question: Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't lucifer being sent down to hell namely because he did not want to accept having to obay God in treating Humans as equals? I mean think about it you are an Angel Gods right hand man and now you are being told to obay/respect something so lowly as Humans?

Just something that came to mind is all.

Lucifer was sent to hell because he wanted to be as great or greater than God.

[theRPGdude]

Everyone can say there christen. God sees the hearts. He knows what were doing all the time. And he's a God of mercy and patients. But he's not gonna wait for us forever. One day. The end will come. And soon like in Noahs day where the people did not listen. Same thing. And we will be held accountable for are actions.

Directed to everyone: To be clear. You dont have to serve God if you dont if you don't want to. It's your choice. And what you do is what you do.

[★Grim]

First of all there is no such thing as Devil, Satan and Hell ... it's made up as bible itself. It's a long story but luckly I found interesting video that tells you History of Devil and tells you when, how and why did Bible created this fake image of so called Lucifer/satan

ps. Church is the real evil, how many innocent people were brutally tortured, mutilated, burned, and killed in order to promote fear and to strengthen the governing bodies.