[Discussion] Orochimaru Leaving The Akatsuki

[Raiden001]

So recently i decided to read Naruto manga from the start to finish again and i noticed that the series has only ever touched up on orochimaru's "Immortality Jutsu" a few times.

As i kept reading on i dropped the pursuit of this issue "immortality jutsu" till around the issue when Orochimaru was brought back to the realm of the living by Sasuke where he clearly stated he did not want anything to do with the current war that was going on.

This struck me as odd seeing that Orochimaru was once part of the Akatsuki using them to further his own goals of "immortality" he had tried to steal Itachi's body previously in the early issues of the manga. And now has set his focus on Sasuke ?

That question alone made me realize that maybe Orochimaru was aware of Madara's true intentions of Immortality?
the reasons i came to this conclusion myself was because of these questions:

* Tobi/obito replaces Orochimaru's position on the Gedo Mazo statue for sealing as well as Diedera's partner

1) Nagato was told that the plan was to use the Bijuu as weapons so the Shinobi world would inevitably bow to their will ?
2) Obito was told the plan was the Infinite Moon Eye's plan, some bullshit genjutsu to enslave the world?

Why was Orochimaru allowed to leave the akatsuki without being hunted and killed? For someone to have so much Intel on their plans and aspirations surely he would have been a liability?

Not only that, prior to the start of Shinpuuden, Jiraya stated that Orochimaru had 3 years before able to preform the Body transfer jutsu?

I bring that up because i find it odd that in the latest chapters Madara states to Obito that "there is still time"

"there is still time"? dafuq? :confused:

Orochimaru said that he was watching everything from within Kabuto and was aware of the situation. I strongly feel that from his own perspective in my own words is that.

1) Madara's ****ed, he blew his chance at immortality. To many mistakes in his plan and has spiraled out of control.
2) Without my arms I'm as useless as Tits on a ball compared to the caliber of shinobi on the battlefield at the moment.
3) I'll wait a bit longer till the "timing" is right and all the chips are in my favor again...

I strongly feel that both Uchiha Madara and Orochimaru share the same goals of "immortality" although each were deceiving one another for the grand quest of "Immortality".

Its been Orochimaru's life long quest to master all jutsu and he needs to be Immortal or become a god (SOSP)

I believe the key pieces of this Immortal jutsu are:

* Rinningan
* Gedo Mazo + combined bijuu chakra
* Uchiha body

In my opinion being the 10 tails Jinchuriki is like being Thanos with all the infinity gems (most powerful being in the marval universe)

Being able to control that power without being a jinchuriki is like either being able to make a wish from Purunga (DBZ dragon)

Any thoughts ? comments ? FLAME ME I'M READY LOL

[Uxellius]

I like this theory very well reasoned *****

[★LssJBroly]

hey yeah I agree man O.O
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Nice theory :D

[Raiden001]

Haha thank you, i just felt like if you're competing with someone you wouldn't help them win if you have the same goals right ?

no one ever remembers the person that finishes second

[Straw Hat Zoro]

Nice theory man ***** make total sense did your homework.

[★LssJBroly]

Haha thank you, i just felt like if you're competing with someone you wouldn't help them win if you have the same goals right ?

no one ever remembers the person that finishes second

Yeah i also always wondered why Itachi didn't just kill him

[~Puppet Master~]

I think they did want to kill Orochimaru, especially Deidara :/
***** though, nice thread.

[Itachi2020]

Good theory, but I think he should seek Senju or Uzumaki body instead of Uchiha, which would be better with Rinnegan.

[Straw Hat Zoro]

Yeah everyone seemed to want o kill him but acted as if he was already immortal. He kind of was though so many back up plans or bodies put in place

[-6 Paths-]

Nice theory, however I don't think Orochimaru was "allowed" to leave the Akatsuki. Itachi cut off his hand and pretty much drove him out of the organisation. Also, Tobito didn't replace Orochimarus spot on the Gedo, he replaced Sasori. Orochimaru couldn't be replaced since he took his ring with him when he left (At least I think that's how it worked)

[Raiden001]

Yeah everyone seemed to want o kill him but acted as if he was already immortal. He kind of was though so many back up plans or bodies put in place

I feel the same way, i think he already accounted for the possibility that he may be hunted/killed hence the 3 year waiting period between his body switch jutsu (imperfect immortality jutsu)

as to the Uchiha body thing i feel that its more suited for ocular usage of the rinnengan/sharingan+variations going solely by the two sons of the SOSP

[Raiden001]

Nice theory, however I don't think Orochimaru was "allowed" to leave the Akatsuki. Itachi cut off his hand and pretty much drove him out of the organisation. Also, Tobito didn't replace Orochimarus spot on the Gedo, he replaced Sasori. Orochimaru couldn't be replaced since he took his ring with him when he left (At least I think that's how it worked)

This whole scenario has also baffled me, i feel until we know the connection between Madara himself and Itachi (not Tobi pretending to be Madara) its going to be one of those unanswered "what ifs?"

In any secret society anonymity is the key and i would think that if Itachi failed to kill Orochimaru the entire Group would have known and gone after him as he is to much of a liability.

But the group was convinced by Nagato (Tobi's puppet) that the greater plan was more important. (Bijuu's as weapons) not (Moon's eye plan)

^ this makes me curious to what exactly the importance of the "timing" what timing/conditions are required why the rush? to let a former associate escape with his life ? (orochimaru)

[Unatural]

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[pnhface]

Bit confused i thought oro could use his arms now. . . Yer?

[Raiden001]

Bit confused i thought oro could use his arms now. . . Yer?

Orochimaru suffers from Necrosis due to his arms being sealed within the Shinigami by 3rd Hokage

[pnhface]

Dose that mean he cant move them ? Cus when he got resed he reached out and touched kabuto sooo?

[Raiden001]

Dose that mean he cant move them ? Cus when he got resed he reached out and touched kabuto sooo?

To be honest with you my opinion is that he only lost his forearms (hands to elbow) and theoretically if you suffered from necrosis you technically would still have movement of your arms since your shoulder to elbows are still functional.

So yeah pnhface his arms from Elbows to hands on both arms has had the soul severed from the rest of the soul. so picture a person with no forearms just elbow stumps, that's the condition of Orochimaru's Soul. But his actual physical body is shown with arms that suffer from Necrosis.

Hope that made sense too you and 11 posts Welcome to NB!!

[pnhface]

Thank you i see where your comeing from but have a theory that since he but his mojo in that chick b4 he had his arms sealed he came out with good arms wat you think ?

[Raiden001]

Thank you i see where your comeing from but have a theory that since he but his mojo in that chick b4 he had his arms sealed he came out with good arms wat you think ?

It would be nice although unless he can retrieve his lost arms (soul arms) from the Death God i think he's permanently going to suffer from necrosis

[apple pie of doom]

Orochimaru lost his arms in the fight with the 3d.
However, he regained use of them when he switched bodies before Sasuke could reach him in the Sasuke retrieval arc.

Orochimaru has full use of his arms.
But the's still useless on the battlefield anyway, most Jonin can take him by now.

[Nigete]

I like it, good theory.

[blazekev90]

Orochimaru lost his arms in the fight with the 3d.
However, he regained use of them when he switched bodies before Sasuke could reach him in the Sasuke retrieval arc.

Orochimaru has full use of his arms.
But the's still useless on the battlefield anyway, most Jonin can take him by now.

Use of his arms (movement), yes. But he can't utilize jutsu (hand seals).

[thegame]

Hmm, well the rinnengan seems to take away a persons life force, so I doubt he would need it to become immortal, however, Madara had to become immortal to use the rinnengan, or his life force would go away. At least that is what I believe, and the reason he gave away his eyes, he simply needed immortality to use rinnengan.

Though rest of it seems fine, I, however, doubt that it is possible to become the 10 tails host without having immortality, like so6p probably had, since it probably also takes away a lot of life force.

Whether Oro actually was associated so deep into akatsuki, well I have a hard time believing it. What is even weirder is that Itachi didn't kill him, perhaps he thought it would be better to let akatsuki use time to hunt him down, but look where that got konoha and sasuke...

[Simple Math]

good theory.. explain why he might play a big role on the war..

[Raiden001]

Whether Oro actually was associated so deep into akatsuki, well I have a hard time believing it. What is even weirder is that Itachi didn't kill him, perhaps he thought it would be better to let akatsuki use time to hunt him down, but look where that got konoha and sasuke...

Prior to Naruto leaving for his 3 year apprenticeship with Jiraya, down the bottom of the link Zetsu states that the full gathering of Akatsuki members hasn't been done since Orochimaru had left which was 7 years prior.



^ thats where alot of "what if's" come into it and this whole mystery about "timing" begins i feel
* 3 years is also the amount of time in-between the Body Switch Jutsu from Orochimaru