Did Kishi make a mistake in oro vs 3rd fight ?

[FoxSikes]

I keep watching this fight once a week for some reason and always come to the conclusion that this fight did not live up to expectatiOns especially when every fight after this one seemed much better put together ( naruto vs gaara, neji vs kido, chojis fight , gaara vs kimi , sasuke vs naruto and so on . The thing is that this fight was good but even mere genin seemed to have more destructive battles and more entertaining ones . When you are called "the professor" you should dam well be able to use the most beastly techniques in your village and you should be able to at least destroy a roof top with your power . Then if you have the first hokage in the battle who is a
Man that can stand toe to
Toe with madara , you better be able to live up to
Your name .


Another thing .

Before the battle , their chakra was affecting the area around them . This has never happened in any other naruto fight and if these two haenough chakra to do that then why was this battle only a genin level one at best ?

Your thoughts?

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

i agree and 3rd lost to orochimaru that shows he is not worth the hype oO

[FoxSikes]

In theory, yes the fight should have been of epic proportions, but since they weren't main characters and at that time, the drama was surrounding around naruto vs gaara, they probably toned it down.

Then I wish they left out the part where their chakra was hurting the area ...... That's like expecting a car for
Your birthday and your Parents hinting at giving you a car and when your birthday comes , you get a bus pass ... Or a bike

[roflcopter11]

In theory, yes the fight should have been of epic proportions, but since they weren't main characters and at that time, the drama was surrounding around naruto vs gaara, they probably toned it down.

[The Hidden Shinobi]

The absolute truth is if kishi done the battle to the real scale it would of been up to we would of been bored for the rest of the series watching gennin fight.

He couldn't reveal such power levels that early in the series.

We have just got to that land scape changing battle scale now

[DeadManWonderLand]

Your opinion on how you thought the battle should of played out does not mean kishi messed up if you did not like the fight its on you.
To answer your question on being beastly he is he was countering everything oro did while being at a very old age and the rooftop was sealed they could not leave and nobody could get in besides this is not dbz its naruto.You said you watched the battle over and over yet did not know about the barrier or the rank of the justu hiruzen was using ? nothing he used was below A rank i suggest you go read it again

[-6 Paths-]

This was just so early in the series, Kishi probably just decided to boost the awesomeness of the fights, I mean, it would have been pretty boring if this fight was as good as they got.

[Drakengard]

Just use the main ideas behind it. Hiruzen had a quick ninjutsu exchange with Tobirama, Hashirama was able to force Hiruzen into using Enma, and eventually Hiruzen had to use his trump card (the RDS) to stop Orochimaru's attack. Still a good feat for his old age.

[The God of Wind]

Nope! That is just how long the fight lasted! The 3rd got caught within 2 jutsus cuz he was too old. He could not keep on fighting 2 Immortal Hokage so he had to go with the suicide seal, match finish. No mistakes

[DeadManWonderLand]

i agree and 3rd lost to orochimaru that shows he is not worth the hype oO

I would imagine if your really old and your apprentice comes on to fight you with 2 of teh previous hokage you would have a hard time too
oro did not win hiruzen sealed himself the kage and his arms.Yes oro lived but his version of "winning" would have been keeping his arms to use justu still have both kage at his disposal and have the leaf crushed wait none of that happened ? Then do tell me how oro 'won" ?

[OG Smoove]

They were trap in a barrier so they couldn't cause massive damage to the environment if that what you're talking about. Also he got the nickname Professor in his prime so he really couldn't show his full potential power. Old Fart is Old Fart

[Lonely Uchiha]

to be honest i think in a weird sense kishi kinda grew up/leveled up/became proffessional whatever, when naruto became naruto shippuden. naruto was full of jokes, jutsus were kool but not great. naruto shippuden (not to mention his drawing improved so much!) naruto became about depression and war. jutsus became unbelieveably OP. =/

[always thinking]

old man cant remember jutsus hahaha

[Cosmic Path]

hey don't start bagging on the third hokage you gotta realize the he was very old when he fought to orochimaru and yes he was called "the professor" butas time goes by you change.

[VangBro95]

Don't matter, it's a anime.

[FlareBlitz]

well like many others I think that orochimaru took complete control over them such as we have seen kabuto do to his edo's and as stated by kabuto orochimaru wasnt as good as using it as he is. So as we saw they werent as strong as their original selves...

[rikerslade]

Hiruzen was old and Hashirama was restricted. The fight could have possibly been epic if they weren't.

[Hipster Deidara]

Yeah the fire of will crap is kinda annoying, and the battle should of been more epic.

[KamuiShiryu]

well like many others I think that orochimaru took complete control over them such as we have seen kabuto do to his edo's and as stated by kabuto orochimaru wasnt as good as using it as he is. So as we saw they werent as strong as their original selves...

they were at full strength cus orochimaru made them into killing machines why would anyone who is set to kill hold back? everyone has to remember that the 3rd use explosive tags on them and he found out they couldnt' be killed so why would he waste more chakra using powerful tech. if they weren't going to die.

kabuto liked to keep there personalities so they could psych out their enemys. but in reality thats what cost many of his edos to die "sasori asuma, dan, hanzo"

[‡Mudo‡]

It was a good fight for what it was no doubt about it and I understand where you're coming from, but as others have said Kishi didn't really wanna show the crazy strong people fighting until Shippuden, so that's why he kept it more simplistic.

[★The Shogun]

hiruzen was still impressive considering he was up against 2 kage in their prime while he was old. but still, it could''ve been a lot better

[startup97]

Hiruzen Sarutobi being able to handle the 1st, 2nd and Orochimaru while being confined in a space by the sound 4 is a testament to how powerful he was. Hiruzen also had keen senses, being able to track down the former Hokage under Hashirama Senju's Bringer-of-Darkness Technique. Enma commented on his battle with Orochimaru, saying that it was miserable compared to his prime, even though he had clearly been able to hold his own against Orochimaru and two former Hokage without losing his composure. He still had the skill and agility to place explosive tags on both the first and second hokage's legs at the same time. Knowing all the techniques of Konoha hes probably developed defences against them. Even in his old age, his chakra was noted for being very strong, causing a dense effect on the atmosphere when released furthermore, he was known for having immense reserves of chakra in his youth. People might say a person like Itachi would get him in a genjutsu. The 3rd being a student of the 1st and 2nd probably taught him how to counter the many Sharingan techniques. Hiruzen was also called The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā), due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, and his vast knowledge of techniques, purportedly knowing all the techniques within Konoha. He was admired as The God Of Shinobi and Only him and the Sage Of Six Paths share the nick name God Of Shinobi

He was old and had very little chakra while fighting Orochimaru. One of the Anbu members mentioned that his primary fighting style was to fight with Shadow Clone just like Naruto but he had to reserve his chakra so he only brought 2. Using Rasengan or Chidori would have drained his chakra too much. It wouldn't be a smart thing to do. The only way was to seal both the Hokages. He was able to counter Tobirama and Hashirama in close combat, despite them being in their prime in the Summoning Impure World Reincarnation. Even when robbed of his sight from the genjutsu Bringer-of-Darkness Technique, he could still defend himself from Hashirama's and Tobirama's assaults, blocking all their attacks to prepare for his Dead Demon Consuming Seal. After summoning Enma, he could break Hashirama's Wood Release branches with ease. Even when someone as powerful as Danzo was dying he admitted that Hiruzen Sarutobi was steps ahead of him still. Strength, Speed and Stamina have all been hindered because of his old age. Sarutobi was said to have monsteres strength compared to the other Hokages. His strength would have most likely been and 4 because of being able to lift the heavy Enma pole at old age with some difficulty, Let's say in prime he could have lifted Enma with ease. Almost all the jounin's speed have a speed average of 4. His speed is very fast even in his old age. His prime would have been much faster but not as fast the 4th Hokage or Guy. I'd give him a 4.5 for being able to match speed evenly with Orochimaru at old age which means his speed back then must have been a lot better.
His stamina was greatly decreased becuase of old age. But his chakra made a dense affect on the field. It was said his primary style to fight with was the shadow clone which he couldn't do too much or any other Konoha technique because of low chakra. As we all know Shadow Clone Jutsu requires a lot of chakra. To have his primary style be Shadow Clone must mean his Chakra back in prime must have been much higher. It would have been like Naruto without the Nine Tails. It would have been 4.
All the rest of the scores have a perfect 5 in Ninjutsu, Genjutsu and Taijutsu which is impressive considering his old age. In total his data book score would have been 37.5 surpassing both Itachi and Jiraiya who have 35.5 as the highest in the data book. Just IMO

[RikudoKami]

that fight was clearly lame.

[Makoto]

Hiruzen in his old age fighting his two masters in their prime, even if his masters were held back, is a testament to how powerful he was. Even if Hashirama and Tobirama held back, Hiruzen couldn't use Kage Bunshins because of his lowered chakra due to old age, so all the Hokages were at a handicap and Hiruzen defeated the previous Hokages despite Hashirama's genjutsu. In addition, Tobirama didn't release himself and Hashirama from Edo Tensei, indicating Tobirama believed Hiruzen to be powerful enough against them.