If Sasuke fought Kabuto without Edo-Itachi...

[jediknite2]

kabuto wins anyway it comes

FYI EMS has no new ability just MS without loosing the light it doesnt increase chakra either

[Deadai]

excatly your arugement is dead. the thread is about sasuke fighting kabuto not stopping his edo.

gg




lol k



didnt say he knew it, i said prove to me that he cant USE IT.

sasuke>kabuto

here ill even pull up the scan of the manga
to make all who say kabuto beats him look like trolls.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c579/7.html

not a scan but this is the second time itachi told sasuke not to be so rough or not to kill kabuto.
kabuto is just like orochimaru expect weaker because he has stolen powers all over.

*cracks knuckles*
The debate ends here

first off lets look at taijutsu shall we? whalst Kabuto is in DSM he has enhanced strength and sensory not to mention his surgical precision with chakra scalpel. Which even Tsunade noted as being highly impressive in her battle with Kabuto, then there is the fact that Kabuto has the healing capability's of Both Karin and Orochimaru leaving all physical attacks useless.

Then there is genjutsu because of Kabuto being able to fight blinded all genjutsu is rendered useless.

I am also seeing allot of of arguments weather Amaterasu could hit Kabuto or not I say it is possible but unlikely seeing as how easily Kabuto was able to avoid Sasuke's Susanoo arrow arguably his quickest attack.

Sasuke's fire based jutsu can be counter'd with Kabuto's water based jutsu, here you could count that as a draw. allthough Sasuke does have lightning based jutsu which can counter Kabuto's earth release which is a point to Sasuke.

as for the Susanoo there are 3 jutsu we know of in Kabuto's arsenal that could take care of it 1,white rage 2,organic manipulation(spikes could attack from underneath Susanoo to pearce Sasuke) and 3, Tayuya's genjutsu. All of these attacks leaving Sasuke wide open for a finishing blow.


I could add more to how/why Kabuto would defeat Sasuke without much difficulty but this should be more then enough proof.

[TheHokage]

Kabuto would of won it's easy to see Kabuto sent Sasuke flying off one jutsu you say Sasuke wasn't trying to kill Kabuto but you forget Kabuto wasn't trying to kill Sasuke either he still needs his body.

[holtaa]

if your talking about where they stand as of now in the manga then kabuto would rip sasuke. Remember someone said (sasuke or who the **** knows) that the only reason he beat Orochimaru is because he was half dead. Kabuto had surpassed orochimaru (or so he claims) which means obviously kabuto would win. but i think this is were kabuto stops getting stronger and sasuke will get some other ****ing power that will make him even more OP.

[jediknite2]

excatly your arugement is dead. the thread is about sasuke fighting kabuto not stopping his edo.

gg




lol k



didnt say he knew it, i said prove to me that he cant USE IT.

sasuke>kabuto

here ill even pull up the scan of the manga
to make all who say kabuto beats him look like trolls.

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c579/7.html

not a scan but this is the second time itachi told sasuke not to be so rough or not to kill kabuto.
kabuto is just like orochimaru expect weaker because he has stolen powers all over.

You are just another blind fanboy

[jediknite2]

when i read this i knew your were trolling or being a hater.

in one vs one sasuke vs kabuto outside of a cave, kabuto cant use half his techs he used against sasuke and itachi.

sound genjutsu wouldnt work, that jutsu kabuto used to fuse with rocks wouldnt work.

kabuto his self said he had the advantage fighting in his element.

if you dummys want to change the manga you should go make one.

anyone who read the whole fight and saw itachi say "dont kill him sasuke" 2 times

knows that kishi was pointing out that sasuke could kill kabuto.

you call others dummy but i bet u reason and behave like that retard on ur sig
Sasuke aint even worth remembering......!

[jediknite2]

Sasuke will only get embarrassed by Kabuto's super techs

[Sai Bomb]

i was refering to the part where itachi told sasuke NOT TO KILL KABUTO LIKE TWICE. why would itachi say not to kill him if he didnt think sasuke could?

you want to play that game
show in the manga where it says he cant use izanami.

come up with an arugement is kinda pointless. itachi said sasuke could kill him, thats why he told him not too.

thats all the arugeing im gona do here.

you come up with an arugement how kabuto beats sasuke, when he is allowed to fight to kill.



show me where it says he doesnt. he is a uchiha. lol

You are such an uchiha fanboy it's not even funny

1. Just because itachi says this doesn't mean he can + this was said when sasuke had itachi as backup so even if sasuke went all out he would have itachi as protection

2. How could sasuke use izanami if he didn't even know what the hell it was when itachi brought it up,

I usually try to be pretty nice in debates like this, but when fans of the manga/show pull facts out of their ass, you just prove to us that we're obviously better fans, cause I do not have to pull up any proof at all that sasuke can't use izanami... You should simply be ashamed as an uchiha fan for seriously thinking he can

[Memoria]

Okay, sound genjustu is just a "GENJUSTU DELIVERED BY SOUND". The only thing special about sound genjustsu is that is it what??? Delivered by sound... Why do you think Sasuke and Itachi seen through the genjutsu as fast as they did? The delivery is different but the effects are the same as a normal genjutsu... This is why sound genjustu is special then most others, its because it can capture a massive amount of people at a time. The white fang techique only last a short amount of time. Kabuto has to go into liquid form to move around or else he would be in the same situation as Sasuke and not be able to move. All Sasuke has to do to keep from being captured is either stream his Chidori so that Kabuto can't get close because he has to be in liquid form or cause the ceiling to drop onto the ball of light. You are basically saying it takes the same amount of effort to maintain Susanoo then to stream Chidori??? What did Sasuke say when he first used Susanoo and them come back. If that ability is so good then why didn't he attempt to use it again?

This is why AGAIN you can't say either would win. Sasuke could turn that entire cave into black flames. This fight is very situational.

Sound genjutsu works through the hearing senses of the victim, as far as I know, the sharingan, a dojutsu that specialize in vision genjutsu, wasn't proven to be able to break it.
And they didn't see through it, they knew that they were in genjutsu, any shinobi would know that.

The white rage technique doesn't last long, but during that time the victim is helpless, and again you say Sasuke only needs to stream his chidori, are you implying that Sasuke can do that when he's in a state like this: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/580/4 ??

And what you're talking about is the first time Sasuke used Susanoo, now he can use it anytime he wishes with no problem, and yes it would take less effort to maintain Susanoo than dong chidori nagashi, since he doesn't need to raise his hands to channel the lightning chakra. All he needs to maintain Susanoo is to just activate his EMS, no movement or hand seals are even needed.

Why didn't Kabuto use it again. That answer belongs to Kishi, I think it would be lame to repeat the same move over and over when he's got other OP moves up his sleeve.

Sasuke can turn the entire cave into black flames? Kabuto can change the entire terrain with Doroku Gaeshi and Muki Tensei.

Once again, Kabuto is the obvious victor here.

[Blaze Release]

The simple answer is its unknown and if anything because sasuke will NOT die before he fights naruto he has plot no jutsu on his side, lets be real here . However even though a sasuke fan im extremely tied in what i can say in his favour. Reason for people going for kabuto without hesitating is because sasuke performed poorly in that fight. However sasuke's fighting style has NEVER been fighting to capture and the manga shouldve made that clear. During his mission with itachi i believe the mission was to capture the pig and sasuke accidentally killed it. Similarly he wasnt too convincing against kill bee and in the end used amaterasu, a technique that shouldnt be used if you plan on capturing your opponent. To put it simple sasuke isnt disciplined in that art and that is why he didnt look convincing. However id agree that kabuto would still be favourite however this isnt always true.

Sasuke has amaterasu a technique that will come to his aid if needed. We saw that kabuto retreated when sasuke used amaterasu and molded it into enton kagutsuchi to protect himself and itachi and kabuto commented not only on amaterasu's offensive capabilities but also its defensive capabilities. Now kabuto has shown his sensoring skills but also ability to shed his skin. However if sasuke was to spam/control and make amaterasu spread throughout the whole cave with amaterasu kabuto would surely be troubled. Firstly sasuke gains the advantage because its his technique and its him who is in control of it, he has turned the environment into his advantage. Secondly muki tensei that was nullified by amaterasu's heat which again would go against kabuto.

Finally ill let you in on a secret about sound based genjutsu. Majority believe its unavoidable because its sound based, however the manga disagrees. Sound based genjutsu travel through the air. If the ninja can potentially disrupt the air around them they could potentially nullify this technique because they are basically disrupting what is carrying the genjutsu from the user to the opponent, air. Temari showed us an example of this when she countered tayuya's Mateki Mugen Onsa with her fan,

As shikamaru said "That thing can deflect the sound of the flute......"

[Deadai]

this isnt any proof at all, its all your opionion which makes no sense.

element advantage- sasuke

defense advantage- sasuke

taijutsu- kabuto

ninjutsu- sasuke

kabuto has to get pass all the spamming techs sasuke can use before he can use white rage, or anyonelse abilites.

now thats a fact.

not to mention there is a dormat power laying in sasuke eyes which hasnt been releved

Tayuya used her sound genjutsu outdoor's and it worked on Shikamaru just fine


I said water based jutsu could cancel out Sasuk'es fire based jutsu not his blaze release, Kabuto could simply dodge that or if hit shed his skin.


The underneath of Susanoo is not protected and because its a confined area there is a verry good chance that Sage Art: Inorganic Reincarnation could in fact perce Sasuke.


and if you'r only answer to how Sasuke beats Kabuto is spamming amatarasu I am highly disappointed in you

[xBread]

Nahh it would of bin a good fight but kabuto would of raped sasuke.

[shanee]

Hahaha...i think it's the other way around Itachi saved Kabuto's ass at the time remember Sasuke the true meaning of evil at that time....have you seen what he did to Zetsu?

if kabuto wanted to dodge it, he could have. he didnt even seem worried. he knew that if would be worse for them if he died so he didnt care. kabuto would have demolished sasuke

[ccm30]

@ Those that think killing Kabuto = unable to release the Edo ability:

He-lloooo, Kabuto taught Tobi the ability.

Pwnt.

[Memoria]

The simple answer is its unknown and if anything because sasuke will NOT die before he fights naruto he has plot no jutsu on his side, lets be real here . However even though a sasuke fan im extremely tied in what i can say in his favour. Reason for people going for kabuto without hesitating is because sasuke performed poorly in that fight. However sasuke's fighting style has NEVER been fighting to capture and the manga shouldve made that clear. During his mission with itachi i believe the mission was to capture the pig and sasuke accidentally killed it. Similarly he wasnt too convincing against kill bee and in the end used amaterasu, a technique that shouldnt be used if you plan on capturing your opponent. To put it simple sasuke isnt disciplined in that art and that is why he didnt look convincing. However id agree that kabuto would still be favourite however this isnt always true.

Sasuke has amaterasu a technique that will come to his aid if needed. We saw that kabuto retreated when sasuke used amaterasu and molded it into enton kagutsuchi to protect himself and itachi and kabuto commented not only on amaterasu's offensive capabilities but also its defensive capabilities. Now kabuto has shown his sensoring skills but also ability to shed his skin. However if sasuke was to spam/control and make amaterasu spread throughout the whole cave with amaterasu kabuto would surely be troubled. Firstly sasuke gains the advantage because its his technique and its him who is in control of it, he has turned the environment into his advantage. Secondly muki tensei that was nullified by amaterasu's heat which again would go against kabuto.

Finally ill let you in on a secret about sound based genjutsu. Majority believe its unavoidable because its sound based, however the manga disagrees. Sound based genjutsu travel through the air. If the ninja can potentially disrupt the air around them they could potentially nullify this technique because they are basically disrupting what is carrying the genjutsu from the user to the opponent, air. Temari showed us an example of this when she countered tayuya's Mateki Mugen Onsa with her fan,

As shikamaru said "That thing can deflect the sound of the flute......"

+ Rep agreed with everything except the Amaterasu/Enton Kagutushi part.
Sasuke can make Amaterasu spread throughout the whole cave, but you know Kabuto can use that to his advantage by using Muki Tensei, he can manipulate parts of the terrain and make it attack Sasuke, or he can just open a safe path by using Doroku Gaeshi.

Also he can body shed if by any chance Amaterasu hits him, so I think you should give that one to Kabuto, he has counters for every attack Sasuke has at the moment.

Anyway, I'd like to know your opinion about this fight honestly, Who do you think would win between the two?

[KidGamer65]

@ Those that think killing Kabuto = unable to release the Edo ability:

He-lloooo, Kabuto taught Tobi the ability.

Pwnt.

Kabuto lied to Tobi about the hand seals.

Not Pwnt.

[Hipster Deidara]

DSM Kabuto > Sasuke

[Sai Bomb]

The simple answer is its unknown and if anything because sasuke will NOT die before he fights naruto he has plot no jutsu on his side, lets be real here . However even though a sasuke fan im extremely tied in what i can say in his favour. Reason for people going for kabuto without hesitating is because sasuke performed poorly in that fight. However sasuke's fighting style has NEVER been fighting to capture and the manga shouldve made that clear. During his mission with itachi i believe the mission was to capture the pig and sasuke accidentally killed it. Similarly he wasnt too convincing against kill bee and in the end used amaterasu, a technique that shouldnt be used if you plan on capturing your opponent. To put it simple sasuke isnt disciplined in that art and that is why he didnt look convincing. However id agree that kabuto would still be favourite however this isnt always true.

Sasuke has amaterasu a technique that will come to his aid if needed. We saw that kabuto retreated when sasuke used amaterasu and molded it into enton kagutsuchi to protect himself and itachi and kabuto commented not only on amaterasu's offensive capabilities but also its defensive capabilities. Now kabuto has shown his sensoring skills but also ability to shed his skin. However if sasuke was to spam/control and make amaterasu spread throughout the whole cave with amaterasu kabuto would surely be troubled. Firstly sasuke gains the advantage because its his technique and its him who is in control of it, he has turned the environment into his advantage. Secondly muki tensei that was nullified by amaterasu's heat which again would go against kabuto.

Finally ill let you in on a secret about sound based genjutsu. Majority believe its unavoidable because its sound based, however the manga disagrees. Sound based genjutsu travel through the air. If the ninja can potentially disrupt the air around them they could potentially nullify this technique because they are basically disrupting what is carrying the genjutsu from the user to the opponent, air. Temari showed us an example of this when she countered tayuya's Mateki Mugen Onsa with her fan,

As shikamaru said "That thing can deflect the sound of the flute......"

Just as I said at the beginning of this thread we can't say for sure

Okay now, but arguing for Kabuto,

Sage mode increases all jutsu as we know, he becomes faster stronger, better at genjutsu, and ninjutsu, Kabuto has new sage jutsu which are always powerful attacks

Snake eyelids can block any genjutsu,

Can try to avoid amaterasu using cave altering chakra techniques, plus if hit I don't see why he couldn't shed... old skin burns, new kabuto is unscathed...

I understand that Sasuke was holding back, I am not denying that, but for the most part Kabuto was going for itachi... plus itachi was pretty much the only one that landed good blows on kabuto

[Blaze Release]

+ Rep agreed with everything except the Amaterasu/Enton Kagutushi part.
Sasuke can make Amaterasu spread throughout the whole cave, but you know Kabuto can use that to his advantage by using Muki Tensei, he can manipulate parts of the terrain and make it attack Sasuke, or he can just open a safe path by using Doroku Gaeshi.

Also he can body shed if by any chance Amaterasu hits him, so I think you should give that one to Kabuto, he has counters for every attack Sasuke has at the moment.

Anyway, I'd like to know your opinion about this fight honestly, Who do you think would win between the two?

Aw come on, thanks for the rep id ill return it however if i dont contribute to nb threads anymore. I just talk to people via pm/vm then leave. Why must i reply to you . I will though

Amaterasu's heat caused muki tensei to be ineffective, if kabuto was to use it after sasuke had used amaterasu, it wouldnt prove effective at all. "The heat also made the cave go back to its original shape";

Possibly meaning if amaterasu was used before this technique, it will either restrict completely the technique or wouldnt be as effective against the heat that amaterasu produces

Doroku gaeshi sasuke could potentially restrict this technique. Arguable the best raiton user and we all know raiton > doton. Gaeshi is a c rank doton technique, though kabtuo's has been given a boost due to sm. However still sasuke holds the advantage against this technique and if he runs his lighting based attack through the earth, it could possible harm the ability for this technique to surface. He has already shown the ability to use his raiton through the earth, either by channeling his raiton through his sword and peircing the earth with it or using chidori nagashi on the earth;

I know when sasuke used this strategy against itachi it was in a genjutsu duel however it can be achieved and if he does, its very possible that because raiton > doton, it could nullify geashi

To answer your question, kabuto would win this match up majority of the times

[tristan]

hello sunsanooo. did you forget mr sunsanooo? who do ppl think would win? sasuke was just looking at itachi through the entire fight. kabuto would have gotten his horns ripped if sasuke could be bothered.



holllllllll up this is assuming kabuto could not summon any more edos. rmbr sasuke beat diedara. now are you telling me kabuto is stronger than diedara?

f*ck yes, kabuto is hella lot stronger than deidara.....he's OP and he would rape almost everyone in narutoverse....almost....

[Kiiszame]

Kabuto would have won...

[Sasuke082594]

If Sasuke fought Kabuto without Edo-Itachi...

Sasuke had he power to destroy him. I can't remember exactly what Itachi said, but he told Sasuke to not attack Kabuto full force and that he should not destroy him until Kabuto's Edo Tensai is nulled.

That right there tells me that Sasuke could've beaten Kabuto.

[KobayashiShane]

Sasuke would have killed Kabuto, and the edo army would still be roaming around

[Sasuke082594]

sasuke and itachi could've been raped if not for the izanami additional powers kishi has trolled with...

May i remind you that both Sasuke AND Itachi were holding back because they didn't want to kill Kabuto before releasing the Reanimation Jutsu?

[tristan]

Sasuke had he power to destroy him. I can't remember exactly what Itachi said, but he told Sasuke to not attack Kabuto full force and that he should not destroy him until Kabuto's Edo Tensai is nulled.

That right there tells me that Sasuke could've beaten Kabuto.

sasuke and itachi could've been raped if not for the izanami additional powers kishi has trolled with...