[Theory] The Juubi

[meowNverse]

That is right.
The juubi is trying to revive itself.

We know, that zetsu is created with the gedo mazo and that the gedo mazo is actually alive.
It is not just a dead statue.

Madara is plugged to the mazo and is unconsciously, following the juubi his orders.
Nagato got plugged to the mazo (the rods) and the juubi got control over him as well.
Obito is using a zetsu body implant, created with the mazo, unlocked ms on top, the juubi took control over him.
The ones that are controlled by juubi, all have the eyes + a connection to the mazo by some means
(zetsu implant and/or being plugged to the mazo).

They are not following their own goals, they are puppets of the juubi.
The more negative emotions they feel, they more they search for power, the more they lose control over themselfs, leading them down a path of darkness.
Jincs were shown to lose control over their bijou as well, when negative emotions peeked to high.
The juubi his control is especially strong, during a full moon.

The younger son of the sage his ways, is the way for true peace. Because humans would come to an understanding with their bijou. They would reach a friendship, like bee and naruto have, with Gyuki and Kurama. Eventually this could be possible with the juubi, if all befriended bijou become one.
Love will prevent getting taken over.

The elder son of the sage his ways, are not about reaching that friendship. His are a search for power and control over the bijou is forced, it is not gained through friendship. Eventually this could turn into the juubi getting revived as being full of hatred.

[Sephy100]

No.

[UnrealSoul]

gtfo...

[meowNverse]

No.

Care to elaborate why not?

gtfo...

You dont have to agree at all, but something more than no or gtfo would be appriciated.

[dildobaggins369]

I actually sorta like that idea, I haven't heard anything like it before

[Sephy100]

The Gedo Mazo was created by Madara as a way to prolong his life so that he could stop all forms of war through false peace. The moon only holds the Juubi's shell since it was said that the Juubi was separated into 9 parts. The Juubi is a mass of hatred so why would it influence, Madara & Pain/ Nagato, when they want peace?

[meowNverse]

The Gedo Mazo was created by Madara as a way to prolong his life so that he could stop all forms of war through false peace. The moon only holds the Juubi's shell since it was said that the Juubi was separated into 9 parts. The Juubi is a mass of hatred so why would it influence, Madara & Pain/ Nagato, when they want peace?

Where does it say that madara created the mazo?

Is it really peace what madara and nagato were trying to achieve?
Nagato wanted to strike fear in people their heart, with the mazo as a weapon, to stop wars for periods of time.
This isnt real peace.
You only scare the shit out of people, to give birth to periods of time, without fighting.
Madara his idea of peace, isnt true peace either.
He forces people, to live in a dream world.
Both ways are by force.

[Reynaldo]

I think the moon only holds the juubi's body... J don't think the juubi is alive or living in any way... Not yet atleast, soon maybe though, we'll see...

[Sephy100]

Where does it say that madara created the mazo?

Is it really peace what madara and nagato were trying to achieve?
Nagato wanted to strike fear in people their heart, with the mazo as a weapon, to stop wars for periods of time.
This isnt real peace.
You only scare the shit out of people, to give birth to periods of time, without fighting.
Madara his idea of peace, isnt true peace either.
He forces people, to live in a dream world.
Both ways are by force.

I already said that Madara & Nagato wanted peace but it would be false peace. But yes it is peace. And if he didn't create GM then who did? The moon is the shell that holds the Juubi but GM is also a container that can hold the 9 tailed beasts. I think it is safe to say that Madara created it but you are right that we don't know.

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

The Mazo is just a vessel for the Juubi, not the real Juubi. The real body of the juubi is the moon, or in the moon

[meowNverse]

I already said that Madara & Nagato wanted peace but it would be false peace. But yes it is peace. And if he didn't create GM then who did? The moon is the shell that holds the Juubi but GM is also a container that can hold the 9 tailed beasts. I think it is safe to say that Madara created it but you are right that we don't know.

True you said false peace.
false peace or not real peace, i just dont consider it peace at all i guess.
Peace through fear and force is not harmony and harmony is what peace is all about.

I actually sorta like that idea, I haven't heard anything like it before

thanks.

[Kelden]

this is a GREAT theory!!
don't listen to those "no" and "gtfo"!!
Mazo was prob not made by Madara, I think its made by Hashi
the mazo contained by chains
http://i17.mangareader.net/naruto/60...to-3610191.jpg

[edo tensai wilmaso]

i like the idea something different, on another note i highly doubt that the moon was created by the sage here's why.



as you clearly see the moon .....oh but the jubbi is still there... tobi you sly dog you.

[Uchiha Heikou]

Very plausible. I'd considered this much earlier on in the series but there hadn't been enough evidence. I think there still isn't enough but I like the theory, it makes sense, and would be somewhat unpredictable.

*****

[meowNverse]

The Mazo is just a vessel for the Juubi, not the real Juubi. The real body of the juubi is the moon, or in the moon

I would say it was sealed in the moon.
However what is sealed in, could be sealed out.

[meowNverse]

Very plausible. I'd considered this much earlier on in the series but there hadn't been enough evidence. I think there still isn't enough but I like the theory, it makes sense, and would be somewhat unpredictable.

*****

thanks.

[Akx19]

If your interested, I touched up on a lot of your theory in my own. http://www.narutobase.net/forums/sho...d.php?t=257600. Might help you piece some of it together.

[TheWillofFire]

Love this, my thoughts exactly
And is why the sage said their names will bring them together and show the way
Tobi lacked the knowledge of their named

[meowNverse]

Love this, my thoughts exactly
And is why the sage said their names will bring them together and show the way
Tobi lacked the knowledge of their named

indeed.

[asdeiro]

nice theory :D and do'nt care to these haters they can't develop ideas so they come to destroy yours :\

[Xaviour]

Stopped reading after "Madara stopped is plugged in and is unconsciously following it's orders." Makes no sense and he himself described why he wanted to change the world & how he's the ultimate victor in his fight between himself and Harashima.

[Chatte]

Actually if you look at the history, you are kinda right.

You all say that no, the juubi won't do that, etc.
But why did the Sage had to separate its body and retain him into the moon? Because he was certain that in one way or another, the juubi would get out somehow.

So it might have some connection with the last events and with the Uchihas.

Being contained into the Sage's body, the hatred was inside there as well, that's why the Uchihas inherited that hatred curse, as Tobi said, and the Senju that peaceful way.

The hatred comes from the Juubi inside the Sage, later passed on the older brother, passed down to Uchihas.
The love coming from the Sage, later passed to the younger son and passed down to the Senjus.

So as the will of fire leads the Senjus, the hatred coming from the Juubi could lead the Uchihas.
It's not that impossible if you look a bit at it.

[Xaviour]

Stopped reading after "Madara stopped is plugged in and is unconsciously following it's orders." Makes no sense and he himself described why he wanted to change the world & how he's the ultimate victor in his fight between himself and Harashima.

[Princessoffire]

Wow never thought about it, but it dose make sense good theory

[meowNverse]

Stopped reading after "Madara stopped is plugged in and is unconsciously following it's orders." Makes no sense and he himself described why he wanted to change the world & how he's the ultimate victor in his fight between himself and Harashima.

Compare it to kotoamatsukami.
Someone is under control of this genjutsu (unconsciously following orders).
It would be a similar case with madara.

Wow never thought about it, but it dose make sense good theory

Actually if you look at the history, you are kinda right.

You all say that no, the juubi won't do that, etc.
But why did the Sage had to separate its body and retain him into the moon? Because he was certain that in one way or another, the juubi would get out somehow.

So it might have some connection with the last events and with the Uchihas.

Being contained into the Sage's body, the hatred was inside there as well, that's why the Uchihas inherited that hatred curse, as Tobi said, and the Senju that peaceful way.

The hatred comes from the Juubi inside the Sage, later passed on the older brother, passed down to Uchihas.
The love coming from the Sage, later passed to the younger son and passed down to the Senjus.

So as the will of fire leads the Senjus, the hatred coming from the Juubi could lead the Uchihas.
It's not that impossible if you look a bit at it.

Thanks.

nice theory :D and do'nt care to these haters they can't develop ideas so they come to destroy yours :\

No worries, i am sticking to it.
If i am wrong, so be it, if am right they'll see it .