Who is the true avenger, Obito or Sasuke?

[Black Flames]

obito of course, RIN's death was the trigger to unleash obito, he wanted to punish minato for not being there to prevent RIN's death (the konoha attack), and he will stop at nothing until he either succeed in his plan or die. now sasuke have always been manipulated and didn't know whats what i mean its silly that at some point he didn't even know why he's angry and still wants revenge.
OBITO IS THE CHARACTER WHO FOOLED THE ENTIRE SHINOBI WORLD, SASUKE JUST FOOLED HIMSELF

No, Obito is a character who wants to but the world under Infinite Tsukuyomi for one girls death but instead of killing Kakashi he wants the whole to pay for it and Sasuke was manipulated by Itachi in to believing he killed his family and Clan just to see the limit of his powers so what do expect for Sasuke to believe? and another thing Obito didn't see hundreds of dead people at the age of 7.

[JIRAIYA perv]

Sasuke. The guy is bent on killing everyone who has ever wronged him and his bro. Obito is just some dude who cannot get over a girl who didn't even love him back, so now he wants everyone to be happy in an illusion, how lame...

not ..... exactly ....., RIN'S death was nothing but a trigger so obito can see the world from madara's view (a desperate view), it made him think (like madara) that the eye moon plan is the only way to peace even if its fake.

[Chatte]

Sasuke, nevertheless.
Obito's doing this over a girl, Sasuke's doing it over his family and clan.
Motivation is truly more powerful.

[wolfx]

Obito has nothing to do with vengeance. He doesnt want to avange anybody, he just want to create better (in his mind) world.

as far as we know he never agreed to the plan.

[Turson]

OBITO IS THE CHARACTER WHO FOOLED THE ENTIRE SHINOBI WORLD, SASUKE JUST FOOLED HIMSELF

obito of course

Only, Obito isnt avenging anybody, thats not his point and never was. Sasuke is avenger, Obito is mad reformator.

[julia maltellak]

sasuke

[JIRAIYA perv]

No, Obito is a character who wants to but the world under Infinite Tsukuyomi for one girls death but instead of killing Kakashi he wants the whole to pay for it and Sasuke was manipulated by Itachi in to believing he killed his family and Clan just to see the limit of his powers so what do expect for Sasuke to believe? and another thing Obito didn't see hundreds of dead people at the age of 7.

no no no .... you do realize that what you said doesn't make sense, you said obito wants every one to pay so he's gona make every one live in peace (fake but still it is peace, no killing each other), all what happened made him believe that the only peace the world can have is a fake peace (madara's point of view)

[AnimeFanGirl4Eva]

Well, for Sasuke, his whole clan was destroyed along with his father and mother, and I assume him wanting to "Avenge" the death for his clan and parents was by killing his brother (Who is actually trying to help him) was kind of a fail to me xD I mean, after Sasuke found out it was Konaha's fault, he then went on to "avenge" the killer of his clan (being Itachi) by destroying Konoha now. I dunno. To me Sasuke is just really confused on the matter, so i don't really think he fully knows what "avenging" is. I did however, like his reason in the beginning of the show but since he has changed his mind over a gazillion times....it's getting kind of old now imo.

As for Obito, yes he is doing it for a girl, but we have NO idea what the full purpose this actually is for. Yes, the new chapter came out, but his side of the story is STILL going so he still may have a legit reason as to why he he wants to avenge her. The odds of this turning out to be just for her because "he loved her" would be really idiotic and I don't think Kishi would really have this whole "big strong tough bad guy" have such a lame reason like that. I think we are calling it a bit too early, but since Obito's reason isn't really done yet...I would have to say Sasuke, even though he is confused lol My opinion though.

[Turson]

as far as we know he never agreed to the plan.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/537/14

[JIRAIYA perv]

Only, Obito isnt avenging anybody, thats not his point and never was. Sasuke is avenger, Obito is mad reformator.

i said obito was the better avenger coz of attacking minato not everything obito did coz like you said obito's plan is not revenge, its a way to achieve peace

[UltimateSasuke12]

Sasuke Hands Down, He Went Throught plenty Just To Get where He is Now all Based On Revenge!!

[Turson]

i said obito was the better avenger coz of attacking minato not everything obito did coz like you said obito's plan is not revenge, its a way to achieve peace

Obito didnt do it becuase he was avenging Rin, he did that only becuase Kushina was Kuramas Jinjuuriki and Minato simply stood in his way. If Obito really wanted to avenge Rin, Kakashi would be first on his list.

So no, Obito is not "better" avenger, simply becuase he isnt avenger at all.

[Black Flames]

no no no .... you do realize that what you said doesn't make sense, you said obito wants every one to pay so he's gona make every one live in peace (fake but still it is peace, no killing each other), all what happened made him believe that the only peace the world can have is a fake peace (madara's point of view)

Then how is make a peaceful world make you an avenger?

[wolfx]

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/537/14

what if he only said that, because at the point in the manga we all thought he was "MADARA", and he had to keep madara's ideals intact in order to be believable.

[Turson]

what if he only said that, because at the point in the manga we all thought he was "MADARA", and he had to keep madara's ideals intact in order to be believable.

He never said it at all, those were his inner thoughts.

[JIRAIYA perv]

Obito didnt do it becuase he was avenging Rin, he did that only becuase Kushina was Kuramas Jinjuuriki and Minato simply stood in his way. If Obito really wanted to avenge Rin, Kakashi would be first on his list.

alright il make this as simple as i can, obito was there like you said to take the nine tails (eye moon plan requirement) but it was obvious that he could have taken the kyuubi and took off (when minato saved kushina and teleported), but what did he do he attacked konoha and TRIED to take minato out as HIS PERSONAL REVENGE (he did something that had nothing to do with the eye moon plan) minato was never in his way, it was obvious that obito was there to kill minato. the attacking konoha and minato was his revenge (minato was the one trully capable of preventing any harm to happen to rin). also we still dont know what happene there with kakashi

[wolfx]

He never said it at all, those were his inner thoughts.

you got a point there, I overlooked that detail.

[Turson]

alright il make this as simple as i can, obito was there like you said to take the nine tails (eye moon plan requirement) but it was obvious that he could have taken the kyuubi and took off (when minato saved kushina and teleported), but what did he do he attacked konoha and TRIED to take minato out as HIS PERSONAL REVENGE (he did something that had nothing to do with the eye moon plan) minato was never in his way, it was obvious that obito was there to kill minato. the attacking konoha and minato was his revenge

Thats only you theory and nothing more. As manga stands for now, Obito was never inetersed in any kind of revenge.

[wolfx]

alright il make this as simple as i can, obito was there like you said to take the nine tails (eye moon plan requirement) but it was obvious that he could have taken the kyuubi and took off (when minato saved kushina and teleported), but what did he do he attacked konoha and TRIED to take minato out as HIS PERSONAL REVENGE (he did something that had nothing to do with the eye moon plan) minato was never in his way, it was obvious that obito was there to kill minato. the attacking konoha and minato was his revenge

excellent point there.

[Zerofnaruto]

I don't think Obito fits in the catagory of revenge..... if that was the case, he would have tryed to kill kakashi a long time ago. Saskue is defently a true avenger, din't even hesitate huring or killing his team mates if they were in the way. But in the recent turn of events with that heart to heart talk with his dead brother from the edo tensi, I think he has changed, I hope.

[JIRAIYA perv]

Thats only you theory and nothing more. As manga stands for now, Obito was never inetersed in any kind of revenge.

wow, so you believe non of it even when its logical and adds up, you know the manga is not going to answer all your questions. some stuff are just obvious but if you have a better explanation to why obito attacked konoha (attacking konoha happene after he took the kyuubi and has nothing to do with it) then go ahead

[raziel777]

not ..... exactly ....., RIN'S death was nothing but a trigger so obito can see the world from madara's view (a desperate view), it made him think (like madara) that the eye moon plan is the only way to peace even if its fake.

Everyone keep saying Sasuke got manipulated but what about Obito ? Do you really think Zetsu just happened to see what was going with Kakashi and the Mist ? Oh and create fake happiness.. That's no avenger. Just a very pathetic guy

[JIRAIYA perv]

Everyone keep saying Sasuke got manipulated but what about Obito ? Do you really think Zetsu just happened to see what was going with Kakashi and the Mist ? Oh and create fake happiness.. That's no avenger. Just a very pathetic guy

easy there, i can speae only for my self and we ALL what happened to sasuke (he was manipulated from day one), now you can't say the same about obito until we see all what happened to him so ..... until then

[Turson]

wow, so you believe non of it even when its logical and adds up, you know the manga is not going to answer all your questions. some stuff are just obvious

As for Konoha: that was Madaras ambition to begin with.
As for Minato: Obito knew how strong he was so he wanted to dispose of him.

So those "obvious" things you are talking about are not so obvious. Like I said, if Obito was true avenger Kakashi would be first on his list.

[Black Flames]

And for those who think Obito attacked Konoha and Minato was for revenge you couldn't be more wrong becuase Obito attacked Konoha and for two reasons.....first, he wanted to the make Konoha believe the Uchihas were behind the nine tails attack does starting a civil war between the Uchihas and Konoha. Second, he attacked Minato so he can get Kurama from Kushina making his plan on become the Ten tails easier and i think the only way to use Infinite Tsukuyomi is throw the Ten tails.





Look at the moon eye plan and now look at the Juubi's eyes.