Who is the true avenger, Obito or Sasuke?

[forgetthename16]

For sasuke it was "my big bro died for konoha, ima destroy konoha"

no your mistaking.... he only wants to destroy konoha because they ordered itachi to slay the entire uchiha clan. then after sasuke killed itachi and found out that itachi has been protecting him and konoha this whole time..... he went crazy and wanted revenge.... wouldnt you????

[raziel777]

easy there, i can speae only for my self and we ALL what happened to sasuke (he was manipulated from day one), now you can't say the same about obito until we see all what happened to him so ..... until then

As you said some things are just obvious, Obito got indoctrinated by Madara. It's also true that we don't know the full story yet but Kishi's been hinting at that ( love for Rin ) since we ''discovered'' Tobi's identity. Well let's just wait and see

[Uchiha Josephus]

Since no one seemed to read this the first time, I'll write it again:

Obito doesn't seem to be out to destroy anyone, but rather put them in his own utopia genjutsu.

Sasuke is (well, he was) bent on killing all of Konoha. For revenge.

I say Sasuke is the avenger, Obito is the savior (in his own mind)

[JIRAIYA perv]

As for Konoha: that was Madaras ambition to begin with.
As for Minato: Obito knew how strong he was so he wanted to dispose of him.

So those "obvious" things you are talking about are not so obvious. Like I said, if Obito was true avenger Kakashi would be first on his list.

we still don't understand anything about that situation (if it was as it seems obito would have killed him right there) and how strong minato was has nothing to do with the eye moon plan, if obito was there for only the kyuubi then he had his chance and still attacked minato and konoha. if it was only about the eye moon plan then it doesn't matter how strong anyone is and no one will know where or what is going on (if obito had the 8 and 9 tails already, there would have been no war and no one would even know whats going on) please make more sense man .....

[raziel777]

Since no one seemed to read this the first time, I'll write it again:

Obito doesn't seem to be out to destroy anyone, but rather put them in his own utopia genjutsu.

Sasuke is (well, he was) bent on killing all of Konoha. For revenge.

I say Sasuke is the avenger, Obito is the savior (in his own mind)

I agree. Obito thinks he's doing the right thing but all he's doing is just lying to himself and fleeing reality

[Turson]

we still don't understand anything about that situation (if it was as it seems obito would have killed him right there) and how strong minato was has nothing to do with the eye moon plan, if obito have was there for only the kyuubi then he had his chance and still attacked minato and konoha. if it was only about the eye moon plan then it doesn't matter how strong anyone is and no one will no where or what is going on (if obito had the 8 and 9 tails already, there would have been no war and no one would even know whats going on) please make more sense man .....

1. Minato already knew about "Tobi", he knew that it was the person who stood behind attack.
2. Minato was strong enough for Obito to consider him a threath to his future plans.

So I dont really see how what I said is sensless. You know what is sensless? Claiming that Obito was "better" (whatever it means) avenger than Sasuke, even though you cant even say for sure that Obito was avenger at all.

[wolfx]

no your mistaking.... he only wants to destroy konoha because they ordered itachi to slay the entire uchiha clan. then after sasuke killed itachi and found out that itachi has been protecting him and konoha this whole time..... he went crazy and wanted revenge.... wouldnt you????

For sasuke it was "my big bro died for konoha, ima destroy konoha"

you just restated the same thing i just said only with more words.

[wolfx]

Since no one seemed to read this the first time, I'll write it again:

Obito doesn't seem to be out to destroy anyone, but rather put them in his own utopia genjutsu.

it's not his plan, its madara's obito is just "going along with it."

[JIRAIYA perv]

1. Minato already knew about "Tobi", he knew that it was the person who stood behind attack.
2. Minato was strong enough for Obito to consider him a threath to his future plans.

So I dont really see how what I said is sensless. You know what is sensless? Claiming that Obito was "better" (whatever it means) avenger than Sasuke, even though you cant even say for sure that Obito was avenger at all.

oh god .... who said obito was stronger than minato ?? obito had his ass handed to him. dude you don't make sense when you say minato is a threat to his future plans because of all what happened. this is the last time il say this so focus, if obito was there ONLY for the eye moon plan then he doesn't need to kill minato (he had his chances to take the kyuubi and take of but he didn't and headed to konoha to kill minato) killing anyone has nothing to do with the eye moon plan. like obito did now he can take all the jinchurikis and preform the eye moon plan while no one have a clue of whats going on, minato and every one else have no idea about the eye moon plan. so minato is no threat to what he doesn't have a clue about. again obito didn't need to take minato out to achieve the eye moon plan, so he did it as his personal revenge for not being there to stop rin's death. you know your not proving me wrong and actually your not proving anything, you just keep saying no

[Turson]

it's not his plan, its madara's obito is just "going along with it."

Whatever, its still the same: Obitos no avenger. He himself said that this plan is also his ambition.

[JIRAIYA perv]

Whatever, its still the same: Obitos no avenger. He himself said that this plan is also his ambition.

eye moon plan : obito's (and madara's) way to peace

attacking konoha and minato : his personal revenge so he could be considered as an avenger

[Turson]

oh god .... who said obito was stronger than minato ?? obito had his ass handed to him.

What? Where did you get that from? I think you are somewhat confused, good sir.

if obito was there ONLY for the eye moon plan then he doesn't need to kill minato (he had his chances to take the kyuubi and take of but he didn't and headed to konoha to kill minato)

Alright... if Obito left Konoha with Kyuubi, do you really think Minato would leave it like this? Nope, he, along with whole Konoha would investigate whole case. And it was still very early, Obito had no Bijuu to his disposition yet, last thing he wanted was Konoha chasing after him.

so he did it as his personal revenge for not being there to stop rin's death.

Like I said, thats only you theory, nothing more, nothing less.

attacking konoha and minato : his personal revenge so he could be considered as an avenger

Actually, Madara also wanted to destroy Konoha.

[JIRAIYA perv]

What? Where did you get that? I think you are somewhat confused, good sir.

Alright... if Obito left Konoha with Kyuubi, do you really think Minato would leave it like this? Nope, he, along with whole Konoha would investigate whole case. And it was still very early, Obito had no Bijuu to his disposition yet, last thing he wanted was Konoha chasing after him.

Like I said, thats only you theory, nothing more, nothing less.


Actually, Madara also wanted to destroy Konoha.

sorry about the obito better thing :D (wrong place), nop .... if catching obito was gona be so easy after taking bijuu's (finding his hideout and discovering his plan) then why didn't it happen this time with all the jinchurikis taken (minato is one dude, now obito had all the bijuu's except the nine and eight tails and all the villages didn't get him), they won't find him now and they wouldn't have found him before. and the madara wanting to destroy konoha thing, madara's eye moon plan proved that he is not the same crazy madara before, the old madara seeks peace so attacking konoha was all obito, the eye moon plan requires the kyuubi not the destruction of konoha. obito up until the war was the biggest threat to the hall shinobi world and no one got to him or knew where he is

[Turson]

then why didn't it happen this time with all the jinchurikis taken (minato is one dude, now obito had all the bijuu's except the nine and eight tails and all the villages didn't get him)

Bot Minato was special, he was seen as someone special even by other powerful shinobis. Plus, I see no reason why Obito would blame Minato or Konoha so much for what happened, if he didnt blame Kakashi at all.

[JIRAIYA perv]

Bot Minato was special, he was seen as someone special even by other powerful shinobis. Plus, I see no reason why Obito would blame Minato or Konoha so much for what happened, if he didnt blame Kakashi at all.

heh ... we still don't know what happened there with kakashi NOTHING (you keep talking like you know what happened) obito didn't even talk to kakashi yet so just wait. and the reason why i said he blamed minato coz he is the one really capable of preventing this from happening like obito said, why isn't the yellow flash there ??

[Black Flames]

it's not his plan, its madara's obito is just "going along with it."

It's Madara's plan but Obito is making it his own....why do you think he was so shocked when Kabuto revives Madara because never planed on reviving Madara in the first place.

[Turson]

and the reason why say he blamed minato coz he is the one really capable of preventing this from happening like obito said, why isn't the yellow flash there ??

Like Zetsu said, Minato was on some other mission, he wasnt a factor there.

[theRPGdude]

It's like this: Obito is the Darth Vader of Naruto, people may view him as evil but really in his point of view he thinks he doing something good for the world. Even stating that he will make a world where heroes won't make false promises in graves which is stating Kakashi.

Sasuke is well. The hansolo\young anikin skywalker. Revenge. What he's doing is basically killing everyone to gain personal satisfaction. My take on this. Whole world > village. Obito wants to changes the world! He is avenging hate itself! Obito is the savior of this world! Sasuke can't compare to what Obito is feeling cause we know how petty he is. So Obito!

[SuperFlyzzED]

Sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Obito

[JIRAIYA perv]

Like Zetsu said, Minato was on some other mission, he wasnt a factor there.

lol hehe come on .... to obito minato should have been there coz if he was there none of this could have happened (rin and kakashi would be safe) ....... seriously ??

[xXLostSoulXx]

Sasuke all the way

[Black Flames]

It's like this: Obito is the Darth Vader of Naruto, people may view him as evil but really in his point of view he thinks he doing something good for the world. Even stating that he will make a world where heroes won't make false promises in graves which is stating Kakashi.

Sasuke is well. The hansolo\young anikin skywalker. Revenge. What he's doing is basically killing everyone to gain personal satisfaction. My take on this. Whole world > village. Obito wants to changes the world! He is avenging hate itself! Obito is the savior of this world! Sasuke can't compare to what Obito is feeling cause we know how petty he is. So Obito!

Sasuke can't compare to what Obito is feeling?...that's a complete jock boy.

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

''my girl died so i'm gonna make the whole world pay for it'' ..umm, I'm gonna go with Sasuke.

^
this, sasuke is actually out to avenge his clan not hell bent on some ninja hoe who most likely never loved him like that in the first place.

[raziel777]

Come on people, how does faking happiness and deprive everyone of their free-will turns into avenging hate and saving the world ? The truth is always the answer. Escaping reality and living in a genjutsu.. That's your definiton of happiness.. Sweet SO6P, that's just lame. Even Nagato's way ( feel pain ) was better than this crap. Naruto is doing is best to eradicate hate, that's the way. Obito is no avenger, just a loser who decided to live a lie instead of actually doing something to change the world.

[Turson]

lol hehe come on .... to obito minato should have been there coz if he was there none of this could have happened (rin and kakashi would be safe) ....... seriously ??

Yeah, just like Kakashi should save Rin. Things didnt work as planned, yet Obito didnt blame Kakashi for it.