[Theory] 600-605 explanation

[dominicansharingan]

The Bloody Mist attacking Kakashi and Rin was a setup and the mastermind behind all this is Uchiha Madara! Yes the real one, the old fart that we saw in chapters 603-604, but how?

It was said I think by Kisame or Mei that the 4th Mizukage was being controlled during the time when the Mist village was called the Bloody Mist. "It couldn't be Madara because the 4th Mizukage looks too young to be alive by that time" You may think that but, the 4th Mizukage if he didn't die when he died I say that he would be as old as Onooki! The Sambi didn't have a Jinchuuriki when the Akatsuki captured it, that means that Yagura had to die a while ago for the Sambi to revive. Yagura died young, thats why Edo Yagura is young.

I don't know how Madara was controlling the Mizukage from his hideout but he was! When you look at this panel



You can't see any dead bodies! That means that theres only Kakashi and Rin that are from the Leaf, the rest of all those shinobis are from the Bloody Mist, Kakashi and Rin were alone and were out of nowhere ambushed by this anemies. But why so many? Because this was very important for Madara to abduct Kakashi and Rin to brainwash Obito.
How did Madara know about Rin and Obito? Obito was yelling their names when he was asleep and he talk to Madara that he was going to leave he's cave to be with them! (If Madara gets rid of both of them then Madara doesn't have to worry of Obito wanting to leave)

Here ^ he tells Madara why he want to leave.


Here ^ he reveals who they are.

So back to Chap 605 when they guy from the Bloody Mist says "At least retrieve the woman"


They thought Kakashi was dead so there is no need to take him back, IMO Rin is still alive but is at the brink of death!

After revealing Tobi's identity was Obito, after revealing that Obito survived being crush by a rock was by slipping a lil bit and ending in Madara's hideout, you cannot think too far outside the box, so I will say that Rin was under a Zetsu's jutsu so she could look like an enemy. Just like a substitution jutsu when you attack it, it poofs after a sec and it is just a piece of wood, when Kakashi speared this "enemy" it turned out to be that that was Rin! That's why he was crying after he realized that he, himself killed Rin, Zetsu brings Obito to the scene at the perfect moment so Obito couldn't see what really happened!


Also by Madara being so confident that Obito will return back! It shows that this is 100% Madara behind this! Even though by my theory it makes it sound like Madara had to go to a plan B to brainwash Obito, he was successful doing it.


You may be wondering why I bolded Bloody Mist. Well When Madara was controlling the Mizukage, that's when the village was called like that, here the enemi says "Don't understimate the Village of the Bloody Mist


Madara is behind everything.

Maybe after that happened Madara or Zetsu told Obito what really happened but at that time is too late so he just kept going with the plan. I say that Obito learned the truth of those events because here, Obito's doesn't credit Kakashi for the kill, he says "You let Rin die"



Thanks for your time.

[Negative Knight]

Didn't read all of it because i fully understand the recent chapters but skimming through and your logic is pretty much rep worthy.

I really recommend that people fully read this, it explains everything in detail without being exhaustive.

Tip to Thread Maker: Put Spoiler Tags around all your images to make your thread a easier read.

[dominicansharingan]

Didn't read all of it because i fully understand the recent chapters but skimming through and your logic is pretty much rep worthy.

I really recommend that people fully read this, it explains everything in detail without being exhaustive.

Thank you! It took me like an hour doing this thread

[Valen]

Kakashi can see chakra flows with his sharingan he can separate A fake substitution Rin/Zetsu and the real Rin

***** for theory

[dominicansharingan]

Kakashi can see chakra flows with his sharingan he can separate A fake substitution Rin/Zetsu and the real Rin

Is plot-shield just like Hinata could see through Tobi's mask with her byakugan but she didn't...

[UchihaKira]

I disagree, I think they say to retrieve her body because she's a mist spy and the body of a shinobi holds it's villages secrets. Also all of the mist ninja have on the masks for the body hunters / bounty hunters i forget what they're called, so imo they were trying retrieve/meet with Rin and Kakashi caught her or something like that. You did point out a few things I hadn't thought about though

[DaisukeUchiha]

A bit far-fetched but not completely impossible.

Good theory nonetheless.

[dominicansharingan]

I disagree, I think they say to retrieve her body because she's a mist spy and the body of a shinobi holds it's villages secrets. Also all of the mist ninja have on the masks for the body hunters / bounty hunters i forget what they're called, so imo they were trying retrieve/meet with Rin and Kakashi caught her or something like that. You did point out a few things I hadn't thought about though

Ok but I wanted to point out more that is during the Bloody Mist time so Madara was controlling the village + why if they are not working for the village they would have said that? Their are affiliated with the Mist, their masks have the mist symbol if you take a closer look, is like Haku's mask

[dominicansharingan]

A bit far-fetched but not completely impossible.

Good theory nonetheless.

Thanks

[xjimbox]

I think she is a spy because she has Intel both on the mist village and the leaf Village

[dominicansharingan]

I think she is a spy because she has Intel both on the mist village and the leaf Village

Someone pointed that out too, it could be that

[HamzaVeli]

OK, Ok, - - - What If, I Mean, we have already seen kakashi fall under the hidden mist technique against zabuza, twice...so what if, hes caught in their jutsu again, fighting these guys?, they are from the mist, maybe they can use the technique to - - and so on, see where am goin with this ?

[Amelius]

OK, Ok, - - - What If, I Mean, we have already seen kakashi fall under the hidden mist technique against zabuza, twice...so what if, hes caught in their jutsu again, fighting these guys?, they are from the mist, maybe they can use the technique to - - and so on, see where am goin with this ?

But you are forgetting that right now kakashi has a fully matured sharingan.... back when rin died he did not. So it possible a young sharingan could be fooled by the mist tech!

[meowNverse]

I would like to point out, that yagura is an adult.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/572/6
He might have some growth disorder.

[ezequielosses]

nice theory! exactly what i was thinking! *****!

[Bloodytaste]

i guess black zetsu could be behind this told by madara, cuz he cant do a shit~ But well everthing u wrote seems legit. I reallly belive Kakashi & Obito shine to much, as if they were even more important then naruto & Sasuke. Well I like that, cuz im not the fan of the present storyline, i would loved a story told by the position of kakashi, so the manga should have started at his storyline would be much more intersting. Guess it would be also a better one calling the manga kakashi xD

[dominicansharingan]

I would like to point out, that yagura is an adult.
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/572/6
He might have some growth disorder.

Or maybe he is just mature, for example I consider myself an adult and I'm just 18.

nice theory! exactly what i was thinking! *****!

Thanks :D

i guess black zetsu could be behind this told by madara, cuz he cant do a shit~ But well everthing u wrote seems legit. I reallly belive Kakashi & Obito shine to much, as if they were even more important then naruto & Sasuke. Well I like that, cuz im not the fan of the present storyline, i would loved a story told by the position of kakashi, so the manga should have started at his storyline would be much more intersting. Guess it would be also a better one calling the manga kakashi xD

I wouldn't go as far as calling the manga "Kakashi" lol but yeah, black Zetsu is very mysterious...

[Codex]

Nice. I can get behind this. Certainly Madara's comments were very fishy, so I'm inclined to believe he's got his hands in all this.

I don't know how Madara was controlling the Mizukage from his hideout but he was!

Well, recent chapters have taught me that the more outlandish the theory, the more likely it is to be true. So, here goes nothing: Zetsu avatars. When Madara was supposedly sleeping through the montage of Ch. 603, he was actually remotely controlling one of the many Zetsu distributed throughout the world. I'm guessing he is capable of doing this because he's hardwired to the Gedo Mazou.

[iceman85]

interesting theory but let me point out a fact:

if - as the few clues left here and there by Kishi show - the Obito's fall is happened at the same time of Yagura's ruling, then it wasn't Madara the person who was controlling Yagura with the sharingan. Madara is already old. For me there must be another character in the shadow younger than Madara...who is using a right eye, as shown in the following pages: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/507/12 and http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/507/13