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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    here's my response



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    I agree Kishi did rush. but he did a nice job.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Legacy View Post
    Obito was the one who slaughtered the Uchiha with Itachi and fought Minato, but it is impossible for Obito to be the one who controlled Yagura. It could also just be a plot hole like you said that is if Obito did controll Yagura, because the timeline is off. So it couldn't have been none other than Madara. We also don't know what kind of genjutsu could have been used to control a perfect Jin. Only Shisui's eyes would have that kind of genjutsu. Unless Shisui was working with Madara?
    I always thought shiaui did but onoki did say once your caught in madaras genjutsu its over.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    the Anime sucks but not the manga
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilvic92 View Post
    the Anime sucks but not the manga
    In regards to consistency, plot, and all the pther issues i listed. Shippuden is good but original was better.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Dream~ View Post
    I don't need to read your wall of text at all. I can get my answer right of by just reading your title.

    Shippuden is no disgrace, first of all you probably can't draw and second of all you handle all you can't handle all this drawing, plotting, working, colouring and etc.

    Nuff said.
    do not insult others, you wouldn't want to be insulted.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilvic92 View Post
    the Anime sucks but not the manga
    actually the manga is what sucks, the anime is a whole lots better, and i dont see why people find it hard to believe if a ninja uses a special jutsu in anime that wasn't written in manga, they don have it, that sucks, kishi have to include important points that were left out in the manga can you all imagine a group of people doing so many drawings, and work, when they could have cut it short and place it into a video. i believe in the anime just like the manga there is no difference, and i think fillers are what comes after when the anime is finished--------funny jokes----they dont make sense, but to laugh
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    This isn't a troll thread, i'll be giving clear examples as to why it ruins the naruto name. Sorry for any typos im on a phone.

    1:The original series was about ninjas. Stealth, tactics, sneaking up on enemies. Shippuden fight scenarios go like this. "character approaches enemy, uses jutsu in front of enemy, disregards anything with tactics, uses same jutsu over again until fight ends". This is how a fight in the original series went down. "character thinks of plan, character attemps to ambush, ambush fails, mixes taijutsu with some ninjutsu attacks, thinks of another plan, repeat. Now shippuden dis start like that "ie naruto and sakura vs kakashi, deidara vs gaara, sasori vs sakura and chiyo" but as the series progressed we get fights like team gai vs clones, naruto vs orochimaru, team kakashi vs sasuke (first time at the hideout), and naruto vs kyuubi. Those were all straight up lets fight without strategy. They're more fights like that where they don't implament strategy or stealth. Kakashi said when naruto appeared on the bridge to help sasuke fight haku that a ninja never uses their jutsu in front of the enemy and does anyone remember the code sentence from the forest of death team 7 used? Shippuden fights consist of nothing ninja related in regards to the first series which made use of it heavily.

    2:Consistency is another issue. Its great that stories evolve but disregarding everything you write is just ridiculous. Ages don't add up with whats been happening with the manga. AO stated that yagura was under a genjutsu and thats why the bloody mist happened. Thats inheritantly not true as in 605 the ninja say they're from the bloody mist. We know obito was the one who controlled her so that doesn't add up. Kishi is always changing the strongest hokage like it was the third then fourth and now first. The timeline doesn't add up with the databooks which kishi wrote might I add.

    3 the story doesnt have a ninja like feel. It usually makes me think i'm watching dbz or reading dbz. The key elements that make up a ninja are gone. Its not about strategy its abOut whoever has senju dna, sharingan, rinnegan, or who is a perfect jinchurriki. Remember when team 11 wasn't behind naruto in terms of power. For the majority of the series it was like that. Now they're weak and useless....like raditz. All jokes aside in shippuden team 11 character development was disregarded and only naruto, choji, and sasuke got powerful. Sakura kinda did but she lost her resolve somewhere. Another thing that irks me is how the five kage were stated to be powerful and in previous fight it was amazing seeing them wreck faces but against madara raikage wasn't too helpful and mei was good in the beginning but kishi forgot about those two and focused on onoki and tsunade. It seems silly to make someone appear so powerful yet make them look like fodder against the most powerful character. I'll finish with my next point.

    4: kishi rushed through the end of shippuden. No kakashi 1000 jutsus, no end to the kages fight, no word from team 11 (which im just gonna start calling them team raditz). I mean naruto didn't feel rushed but shippuden towards the end was rushed. Major fights were left out.

    Note this is just my opinion. I do love this series and support kishi by buying his manga, but to me shippuden just doesn't seem like a good successor to the naruto name. Its plagued by inconsistency, ninja elements are not as heavily there, and it feels rushed.
    i agree with what you say, there is inconsistency in these chapters these days, but have you ever stop and think that Naruto and his friends are not fighting c rank or b rank ninjas anymore/lately. there going up against " S" RANK SHINOBIS THE STRONGEST OF THE RANKS. a simple tactic and battle styles wont work against these guys(akatsuki's and others etc). Naruto and his friends will have to go all out from start to match there power/strength, if they hold back, they're doomed. hence why inconsistency occurs.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    What irks me is that the power level inconsistency compared to part 1.
     
         
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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by zesto View Post
    i agree with what you say, there is inconsistency in these chapters these days, but have you ever stop and think that Naruto and his friends are not fighting c rank or b rank ninjas anymore/lately. there going up against " S" RANK SHINOBIS THE STRONGEST OF THE RANKS. a simple tactic and battle styles wont work against these guys(akatsuki's and others etc). Naruto and his friends will have to go all out from start to match there power/strength, if they hold back, they're doomed. hence why inconsistency occurs.
    Your right simple tactics won't work but its beginning to be rush in tactics. No thought process.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hey whos balls are in View Post
    It is much more versed into the ninja world considering that they just expanded the ninja world and actually brought political points into this. Ex. Danzo and his views and how war has been a huge idea thrusted upon the world.

    They rarely mentioned another land in Naruto and there was not a ton of worry of being invaded by another country but being attacked by A single man. That's less realistic than Shippuden.
    All of the power levels just jumped up.

    And the storyline is awesome the past has come back to really bit every single person.
    Minato died by his own student and helmed his duties to Naruto. And Kakashi's biggest failure is the cause of a war.

    Everything is connected. We even found out that the past 100 years or so a man has been sitting in the shadows just for revenge on a dead man.
    Also we have Sasuke who has been manipulated by like 5 people and finding out how things in the ninja world are not what they seem.
    We find that Itachi who was known as a mass murderer saved the entire ninja world while being a Zombie.

    And we finally get to see what it takes to be a ninja who is legendary.
    We get to see a portion of the SO6P power through Madara.

    Naruto shippuden is awesome.
    I never said it wasn't but it has absolutely nothing on the original.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Let's wait till we see the progression of Obito in the flashbacks, these type of flashbacks are interesting. Obito and Nagato have the best flashbacks thus far.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Ive seen way longer ^.^
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    i agree with everything you said. +rep
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    Well then your opinion is worthless is you didn't read.
    i read it all i disagree with acouple things in many manga animes..... many others because fodder, thats just how it is when you say stealth isnt in shipuden anymore and strategy you are wrong not completely but there are reasons why its like this that make this point irrelevant for example the main fights in shipuden the ninjas arent fodder they arent just some random person do you think you can catch a ninja with stealth when your dealing with oro or kakuzu or hidan( thats immortal) things changed because in part 1 everyone was a kid and these kids faught eachother in the forest of death.... its like oro and sarutobi when oro attacked saratobi he didnt try to kill him during the exams in stealth because most ninjas have a 6th sense it just doesnt come out sucessful to try to assasinate...
    as the story proggresed how can you use stealth to kill when your sensed easily? also when naruto kakashi yamato followed/traked samui to talk to the raikage thats an example of using stealth. no strategy? sasuke used strategy againsed deidara.... naruto used strategy againsed the 3rd raikage he got intel on him to attack at the weak point.... also your saying shipuden is rushed? ha its not rushed at all you just wish that there was more fights and more content...... about inconsistency... no manga/anime is perfect when its so complex like naruto with jutsu , history, it could be hard to not make a conflict like how kakashi was an anbu at an early age it just happens but most of what you said was not true and proven wrong, and you say its a disgrace? you took it to far if you realy thought it was a disgrace? why would you watched tommorows episode? seriosuly saying this and still watching the series makes you a hypocrite
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by bobssmurf View Post
    i read it all i disagree with acouple things in many manga animes..... many others because fodder, thats just how it is when you say stealth isnt in shipuden anymore and strategy you are wrong not completely but there are reasons why its like this that make this point irrelevant for example the main fights in shipuden the ninjas arent fodder they arent just some random person do you think you can catch a ninja with stealth when your dealing with oro or kakuzu or hidan( thats immortal) things changed because in part 1 everyone was a kid and these kids faught eachother in the forest of death.... its like oro and sarutobi when oro attacked saratobi he didnt try to kill him during the exams in stealth because most ninjas have a 6th sense it just doesnt come out sucessful to try to assasinate...
    as the story proggresed how can you use stealth to kill when your sensed easily? also when naruto kakashi yamato followed/traked samui to talk to the raikage thats an example of using stealth. no strategy? sasuke used strategy againsed deidara.... naruto used strategy againsed the 3rd raikage he got intel on him to attack at the weak point.... also your saying shipuden is rushed? ha its not rushed at all you just wish that there was more fights and more content...... about inconsistency... no manga/anime is perfect when its so complex like naruto with jutsu , history, it could be hard to not make a conflict like how kakashi was an anbu at an early age it just happens but most of what you said was not true and proven wrong, and you say its a disgrace? you took it to far if you realy thought it was a disgrace? why would you watched tommorows episode? seriosuly saying this and still watching the series makes you a hypocrite
    ^^Obvious troll is obvious.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Unbiased View Post
    ^^Obvious troll is obvious.
    dude your a hypocrite saying shipuden sucks because theres no stealth i proved irrelevant, strategy not used? sasuke didnt used strategy to kill danzou? didnt gara use strategy to defeat the tsunshinkage not sure how you spell his name.... most of what you said is untrue and a bad reason to hate on the anime, i also know you will watch tommorow episode your a HYPOCRITE and calling me a troll? your retarded
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by 'Toxic View Post
    another troll thread
    seriously and this guy calls me a troll? wtf
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Let me start by saying that Shippuden>>>>>Original by a long shot.

    -The storyline is deeper, darker, complex and more interesting then ever before.
    -The Akatsuki alone makes it better then the original serie. Badass top tier villains, not kid fighting each other anymore. Plus Orochimaru is back. We are in the big leagues now.
    -Knowing more stuff about other villages and their Kages/bodyguards. We are getting more infos on the history of Konoha and other villages.
    -The fights are more EPIC by far
    -Naruto vs Pein -Jiraiya vs Pein
    -Sasuke vs Itachi -Kakashi and team 10 vs Kakuzu and hidan
    -Sasuke vs Deidera -Sakura and Lady Chiyo vs Sasori
    -Taka vs Raikage/bodyguard followed by the other Kages
    -The entire flashback about the birth of Naruto plus his fight with the 9tails
    -The entire war arc (from chapter 559 till now, we saw some over the top crazy fights and it's impossible to deny that).

    -Even if it's true that most of Konoha 11 aren't getting enough screen time or char. dev, many other characters have received a lot: Kakashi, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochimaru, InoShikaCho, other Kages plus some bodyguards, Naruto, Sasuke, Sai, all Akatsuki members etc.
    -Shippuden is also longer.

    Also, it might be an anime about ninjas but it's Kishi's story. If he wanted them all to fly and throw laser beams from their eyes, it would be his decision.

    Shippuden isn't perfect but it's a great manga, is quite intriging and BETTER then the original.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by 10023213 View Post
    your face is a disgrace
    if it's such a disgrace why would you make a wall of text about it on a naruto site :flaw:

    EDIT: When you can create a manga better than kish's then you have the right to call anything about naruto a disgrace
    but until you can sell thousands of copies every week with a manga gtfo and s.t.f.u.
    I suppose pet rocks was a great idea as they sold like hot cakes. The problem in your logic is your equating sales with quality.
     
         

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    Re: Shippuden is a disgrace to naruto (long read)

    Quote Originally Posted by ShippudenRules View Post
    Let me start by saying that Shippuden>>>>>Original by a long shot.

    -The storyline is deeper, darker, complex and more interesting then ever before.
    -The Akatsuki alone makes it better then the original serie. Badass top tier villains, not kid fighting each other anymore. Plus Orochimaru is back. We are in the big leagues now.
    -Knowing more stuff about other villages and their Kages/bodyguards. We are getting more infos on the history of Konoha and other villages.
    -The fights are more EPIC by far
    -Naruto vs Pein -Jiraiya vs Pein
    -Sasuke vs Itachi -Kakashi and team 10 vs Kakuzu and hidan
    -Sasuke vs Deidera -Sakura and Lady Chiyo vs Sasori
    -Taka vs Raikage/bodyguard followed by the other Kages
    -The entire flashback about the birth of Naruto plus his fight with the 9tails
    -The entire war arc (from chapter 559 till now, we saw some over the top crazy fights and it's impossible to deny that).

    -Even if it's true that most of Konoha 11 aren't getting enough screen time or char. dev, many other characters have received a lot: Kakashi, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochimaru, InoShikaCho, other Kages plus some bodyguards, Naruto, Sasuke, Sai, all Akatsuki members etc.
    -Shippuden is also longer.

    Also, it might be an anime about ninjas but it's Kishi's story. If he wanted them all to fly and throw laser beams from their eyes, it would be his decision.

    Shippuden isn't perfect but it's a great manga, is quite intriging and BETTER then the original.
    The original will be superior because kishi actually put work into it. He had a consistent story in the original. Nowadays everything is changing and the timeline which he created he decided to ruin at the end of the story.
     
         

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