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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Salamander Natsu Dragneel View Post
    come on please stop humiliating the guy
    you beat him with logic and he lost game set and match
    i wish i could give you another +rep >.<
    cant help it ....once ppl get rude and start insulting me instead of talking about the thread i go for blood haha

    as you can see tho he already took off with his tail between his legs
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Kakashi needs to figure out how to use susanoo
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    naw i dont think he knew he had it
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    :hey:Another interesting thing about Obito's and kakashi san sharingans is that if you look close at kakashi's eye look at how its forming and tell me if there's a difference

    Also take a good look at Obito's forming of the mangekyou sharingan

    Those who know about what im trying to say here plz reply back, Also tell me the difference between each stage and how its forming.
     
         
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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Before you keep on reading, my opinion on kakashi knowing about MS is based on the fact the Kakashi knew nothing of MS, he never knew the requirements of archiving MS nor did he know it's relation to the Uchiha, he just unlocked it.

    Why/How did kakashi use is mangekyo sharingan against diedara ?

    - It seems he knew how to use it because he voluntarily switched from 3-tomoe into MS



    How did he know how to use it?

    - He has trainded himself to be able to use the MS, itachi already talked to him about how kakshi could not use the sharingan properly because he wasnt an Uchiha meaning it took more chakra. he worked towards correcting this and trained. [keep in mind he knew he could not handle the sharingan in general (including MS) without improving his chakra control/levels ]

    What about when kakashi awakened it at first when obito saw kakashi kill rin ?

    - As proven by the latest manga and kakashi gaiden, we have to remember that obito and kakashi's sharingan are related, obito unlocked MS due to obvious reasons and so did kakashi for obvious reason. (still had no idea he had MS, he just knew he had 2 forms of sharingan)

    Why then did kakashi faint ?

    - His chakra reserves did not meet the requirment for controlling the MS, because as we all know he is not an Uchiha and is barely able to use the sharingan at that point in time (kakashi gaiden)

    Why did the itachi catch him off guard ?

    He never knew Itachi had Ms, neither did he know of the requirements, he just knew the had two different forms of sharingan. When itachi showed him his own MS, kakashi realized that he had another power apart from the regular sharingan but just didn't know that it was something Uchiha's where able to archieve ( again he had no knowledge of Ms or it's relation to the uchiha but after facing itachi he knew it was an uchiha technique)






    you see here that kakashi said and i quote " It couldn't be "

    it shows he knew of this special sharingan but just wasn't aware it was something Uchiha's had.


    In general kakashi knew he had MS but wasn't aware that it was something special, he worked towards improving his chakra levels and he used it.

    He knew he had a special sharingan (MS) but didn't use it because of chakra consumption
    He had no pre-existing knowlegde of MS or where it came from he thought it was his personal power
    He was re-introduced to the new sharingan and it's origin by Itachi ( gained full knowledge of his power, it's name etc)
    He trained to use MS that is why he voluntarily used MS against deidara. He can't suddenly unlock Ms for the second time while jumping from tree to tree (makes no sense). Sasuke unlocked the sharingan for the second time because his life depended on it.
     
         
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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    He passed out before he realized he awakened the MS
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Path View Post
    :hey:Another interesting thing about Obito's and kakashi san sharingans is that if you look close at kakashi's eye look at how its forming and tell me if there's a difference

    Also take a good look at Obito's forming of the mangekyou sharingan

    Those who know about what im trying to say here plz reply back, Also tell me the difference between each stage and how its forming.
    Dude there is nothing wrong. You know how hard it is to draw something the same thing again? It's just the art
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Very good finally someone who is logical
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Steel View Post
    Before you keep on reading, my opinion on kakashi knowing about MS is based on the fact the Kakashi knew nothing of MS, he never knew the requirements of archiving MS nor did he know it's relation to the Uchiha, he just unlocked it.

    Why/How did kakashi use is mangekyo sharingan against diedara ?

    - It seems he knew how to use it because he voluntarily switched from 3-tomoe into MS

    How did he know how to use it?

    - He has trainded himself to be able to use the MS, itachi already talked to him about how kakshi could not use the sharingan properly because he wasnt an Uchiha meaning it took more chakra. he worked towards correcting this and trained. [keep in mind he knew he could not handle the sharingan in general (including MS) without improving his chakra control/levels ]

    What about when kakashi awakened it at first when obito saw kakashi kill rin ?

    - As proven by the latest manga and kakashi gaiden, we have to remember that obito and kakashi's sharingan are related, obito unlocked MS due to obvious reasons and so did kakashi for obvious reason. (still had no idea he had MS, he just knew he had 2 forms of sharingan)

    Why then did kakashi faint ?

    - His chakra reserves did not meet the requirment for controlling the MS, because as we all know he is not an Uchiha and is barely able to use the sharingan at that point in time (kakashi gaiden)

    Why did the itachi catch him off guard ?

    He never knew Itachi had Ms, neither did he know of the requirements, he just knew the had two different forms of sharingan. When itachi showed him his own MS, kakashi realized that he had another power apart from the regular sharingan but just didn't know that it was something Uchiha's where able to archieve ( again he had no knowledge of Ms or it's relation to the uchiha but after facing itachi he knew it was an uchiha technique)






    you see here that kakashi said and i quote " It couldn't be "

    it shows he knew of this special sharingan but just wasn't aware it was something Uchiha's had.


    In general kakashi knew he had MS but wasn't aware that it was something special, he worked towards improving his chakra levels and he used it.

    He knew he had a special sharingan (MS) but didn't use it because of chakra consumption
    He had no pre-existing knowlegde of MS or where it came from he thought it was his personal power
    He was re-introduced to the new sharingan and it's origin by Itachi ( gained full knowledge of his power, it's name etc)
    He trained to use MS that is why he voluntarily used MS against deidara. He can't suddenly unlock Ms for the second time while jumping from tree to tree (makes no sense). Sasuke unlocked the sharingan for the second time because his life depended on it.
    Yup, I agree. Kakashi knew he had another power all along. Did he know it was the MS specifically? Idk, but he knew it was something different from the regular sharingan. He just never used it because he could barely use his regular sharingan, therefore he had to train a lot during the time skip in order to be able to use the MS, and develop Kamui.
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Warrex View Post
    Yup, I agree. Kakashi knew he had another power all along. Did he know it was the MS specifically? Idk, but he knew it was something different from the regular sharingan. He just never used it because he could barely use his regular sharingan, therefore he had to train a lot during the time skip in order to be able to use the MS, and develop Kamui.
    yeah that is basically what i am saying i showed a picture of kakashi using the Ms on his own

    Part where i said he had a different sharingan but didn't know it was truly Ms was to justify why he was caught off guard by Itachi or something
     
         
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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    interesting
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mischeif Maker View Post
    nope im not going anywhere until you runaway with your tail betwee your legs

    so you said sasuke didnt eve try and use his sharingan.....dispite showing his ability to wield it in combat.....adresss this as it goes to the credibility of ppl forgetting




    killing your best friend isnt how it is awakend itachi said this to sasuke only to force him into an emtionally stressful situation and awaken his ms

    as shown with sasuke....he killed itachi ( not his best friend or anyone he even cared about) got nothing but then when tobi explained itachi all the emotion that goes with the kill hit him

    awakening his ms....meaning it is the emotional devestation and loss that awakens it not the kill itself

    but that being said but kakashi and obito were going through this pain at the same time so it may have even been a joint effort who knows the point is tho its not the kill that awakens it

    I love how you completely ignore my comment when I called you out. Your ignorant trolling amuses me.
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    My thoughts on this are

    Seeing as when Kakashi unlocked MS he passed out soon after so from that we could get that he diddint even know he unlocked it. And because of him not being apart of the Uchiha bloodline it would make sense that he would have to go through a large amount of training to re-awaken it. Which my guess would be during the timeskip so to his knowledge it is a new sharingan.
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mischeif Maker View Post
    oh you must mean kishi....the man who not once but twice called it kakashi new power ya what a noob kishi is...lets go with what some random 13 year olf kid says



    no naruto uses he new tech which is being able to throw the rasenshurken which he could not b4 which is why it is new

    he also put return of the rasenshuriken which is why he is saying it the same rasenshuriken but a new tech being him throwing it

    but its cool bro i get it your right anf kishi is a fool who doesnt know his shit...next time i have a question i wont consult the manga and data books that kishi wrote ill ask you


    m whats that another improvment which is why it was reffered to as new
    OMG people these days!! he already had the rasenshurken but he hadnt perfected it!! once he perfected it he called it a new technique!
    kakashi would have known about his new power and trying to perfect it before using it in battle like a smart shinobi like kakashi is would do!!
    kamui is a jutsu that would have taken soo much time to perfect! he probs would have used the shadow clones to try and perfect kamui!
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Yea i Highly dought that he knew he had it do to the fact he past out soon as he activated it .. i beleave as others he released it later on in the future but hey we my find out soon enough..
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Makz View Post
    ffs, Haru give it a rest.



    It is clearly said that Sasuke had just awaken the sharingan. Also, if he had it all the time, why didn't he activate it earlier and took care of Haku while Naruto was still good with his chakra reserves?
    Sasuke Had a traumatic event due when he first activated it while chasing itachi! thats why he didn't remember! Hell you would probably forget you awakened your sharingan if someone just killed everyone you care about
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Namikaze Haru View Post
    Its just stupid to say that he did not know he had it. Kakashi and obito unlocked it at the same time, however kakashi fainted due to his low chakra levels whereas obito is an uchiha with senju dna. at that time it took kakashi a lot of chakra just to use the normal sharingan, the mangekyou was off limits seeing as he fainted just by awakening it.





    after facing itachi's mangekyou he decided to improve he chakra control during the timeskip and has now improved it even further, that why recently kakashi is now able to spam kamui. if u had watched closely all his improvements during the timeskip were in order to be able to fight itachi (mangekyou, faster hand seals etc.)











    remember when we first thought sasuke awakened his sharingan against haku, but after a flashback we saw he awakened it during the uchiha massacre against itachi. but looking back to the haku fight you actually notice he already knew he had it.






    i like your theory but id like to say athothers also knew of the mangekyou shadengan also..plus kashashi himself said i awakend it shortly during the time skip if im not mistaken

    ps sorry for the the type o s im kind of up their feel me yuh...
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Namikaze Haru View Post
    like i said kakashi knew he had MS however did not have the chakra to use it, his encounter with itachi prompted him to train for it during the time skip. its not that hard to understand
    You gave no evidence at all to support that argument. All you said was he knew he had it and thats all.
    If he can't use it at all due to chakra levels, how does he train it? How did he gain so much chakra that he can use Kamui along with all his other jutsus?
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

    Quote Originally Posted by okumura rin View Post
    you gave no evidence at all to support that argument. All you said was he knew he had it and thats all.
    If he can't use it at all due to chakra levels, how does he train it? How did he gain so much chakra that he can use kamui along with all his other jutsus?
    ^^ this too
     
         

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    Re: Kakashi DID know he had MS

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    ^^ this too
    He just doesn't listen to anyone elses opinion when he knows he is wrong.
     
         

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