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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    I believe in God. However, there's so many things I question about what He's done.

    For example, He allows turmoil, disaster, death and sin to exist because of a bet with Satan. You can try to sugarcoat it, but in the end, Satan made a bet with God and God allowed us to suffer and pay for the sins of Adam and Eve so He can win.

    It also bothers me why He couldn't just get rid of sin without having to sacrifice Jesus. God is the highest, so why couldn't He just get rid of it? It's not like there's someone saying to Him "Hey, no. You can't do that. Rules, RULES, man." And why did He get angry when Jesus was killed if He himself sent him to be killed on a mission to get rid of sin.

    God also strikes me as childish, or having childish characteristics sometimes. He has all the things anyone can ask for: omnipotent, infinite wisdom, immortality, and not a care in the world, never having to worry about ANYTHING but gets angry and mad when some people on a rock don't worship or acknowledge him? Seriously?

    And I love how God knew Lucifer was gonna turn into Satan, but made him anyway and allowed him to plunge the world into turmoil.
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    I believe in God. But, I'm not a ''real christian'' cause sometimes I don't follow God's rules. But I know there is a God.

    Some members are saying that the reason why God is real has no logic. The problem is that they can't expalin how ''Big-Bang'' theory is logical. We don't really know the truth. Maby there is no God. So when we don't know the truth (about this) we can't say a logical reason why God or why God doesn't exists.
    But...I believe Unicorns are real. Nuff Said!
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    I believe in God. However, there's so many things I question about what He's done.

    For example, He allows turmoil, disaster, death and sin to exist because of a bet with Satan. You can try to sugarcoat it, but in the end, Satan made a bet with God and God allowed us to suffer and pay for the sins of Adam and Eve so He can win.

    It also bothers me why He couldn't just get rid of sin without having to sacrifice Jesus. God is the highest, so why couldn't He just get rid of it? It's not like there's someone saying to Him "Hey, no. You can't do that. Rules, RULES, man." And why did He get angry when Jesus was killed if He himself sent him to be killed on a mission to get rid of sin.

    God also strikes me as childish, or having childish characteristics sometimes. He has all the things anyone can ask for: omnipotent, infinite wisdom, immortality, and not a care in the world, never having to worry about ANYTHING but gets angry and mad when some people on a rock don't worship or acknowledge him? Seriously?

    And I love how God knew Lucifer was gonna turn into Satan, but made him anyway and allowed him to plunge the world into turmoil.
    Errr I'm sorry to intercept...but a lot of the questioning is more than a simple misconception.
    Like you said God is omnipotent, infinite. Not human. Above all creatures. He's automatically out of our mind's understanding.
    A world without all this disaster, turmoil, death etc would simply be paradise.
    If you believe in the afterlife, this world becomes nothing more than a test and struggle. It's through that struggle that an individual can either come out on top, no matter how much life shits on them, and make God happy, by keeping faith and practice strong.
    Many people relate God with humanly qualities. That becomes the first mistake.
    God being childish? Really? I'd call it being simple and straight forward. Disobey and continue getting carried away with materialism, after understanding and being informed and you get punished. God is the only judge, what you don't understand is not a reason to not go looking up information to answer your questions. Repent, and he brings mercy.

    I'm not 100% sure how Christianity perceives the story of Jesus.
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    I believe in God. However, there's so many things I question about what He's done.

    For example, He allows turmoil, disaster, death and sin to exist because of a bet with Satan. You can try to sugarcoat it, but in the end, Satan made a bet with God and God allowed us to suffer and pay for the sins of Adam and Eve so He can win.

    It also bothers me why He couldn't just get rid of sin without having to sacrifice Jesus. God is the highest, so why couldn't He just get rid of it? It's not like there's someone saying to Him "Hey, no. You can't do that. Rules, RULES, man." And why did He get angry when Jesus was killed if He himself sent him to be killed on a mission to get rid of sin.

    God also strikes me as childish, or having childish characteristics sometimes. He has all the things anyone can ask for: omnipotent, infinite wisdom, immortality, and not a care in the world, never having to worry about ANYTHING but gets angry and mad when some people on a rock don't worship or acknowledge him? Seriously?

    And I love how God knew Lucifer was gonna turn into Satan, but made him anyway and allowed him to plunge the world into turmoil.
    How bout we percieve what you said in a different light, in human society you could say this was done for the purpose of humans to determine what is to them good or evil but in a nonhumane way the acts he would of undertook as you said can be seen as neither because he is not human and therefore human concepts do not apply to his actions just like how the way of life acts, a bear killing a deer or fish its not a good or bad act its life hopefully this can put a different spin on that
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

    research people, use your own mind and THEN decide for yourself. if I say "there is no god" I'll get flamed for trying to start fights but it's cool for other to post about god factually and tell others to 'repent' lol

    to me the idea of being god fearing is a complete oxymoron. I thought the guy is supposed to love us all equally, why should I fear something like this.

    I think I give god more credit than y'all. If he does exist, i doubt someone who can create light and darkness on the 1st day ever and then create the sun and moon 3 days later couldn't find a way to show his face and end all this senseless violence by simply saying "Look I'm real"

    No, I guess your god would rather let millions of people continue to be slaughtered over the issue of who's right.

    And enough of the petty excuses of 'god doesn't cure cancer and lets babies die to test our faith and if your a good enough person you might get into a fictitious place with streets paved in gold (why god would need earthly materials like gold streets is beyond me, oh wait, probably because heaven was a representation of what the men writing the bible found to be valuable
     
         
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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranificent View Post
    http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ The bible, and on the side, why it is wrong.

    In Genesis 1:1, the earth and "heaven" are created together "in the beginning," whereas according to current estimates, the earth and universe are about 4.6 and 13.7 billion years old, respectively.

    In Genesis, the earth is created (1:1) before light (1:3), sun and stars (1:16); birds and whales (1:21) before reptiles and insects (1:24); and flowering plants (1:11) before any animals (1:20). The order of events known from science is in each case just the opposite.

    (1:3-5, 14-19) "Let there be light"
    God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them?

    (1:6-8) The Firmament (Heaven)
    God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters.

    (1:11-13) "Let the earth bring forth grass"
    Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). Notice, though, that God lets "the earth bring forth" the plants, rather than creating them directly. Maybe Genesis is not so anti-evolution after all.
    Were plants created before or after humans?
    Does the Bible teach evolution?

    (1:14) "Let them be for signs"
    God placed the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament so that they can be used "for signs". This, of course, is exactly what astrologers do: read "the signs" in the Zodiac to predict what will happen on Earth.
    Does the bible condemn astrology?
    What the Bible says about astrology

    (1:16a) "God made the two great lights."
    "The greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But the moon is not a light; it only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky?

    (1:16b) "He made the stars also."
    God spends a day making light (before making the sun and stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a hard day's work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes 300 sextillion stars.
    When were the stars made?

    (1:17) "God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth."
    Then why is only a tiny fraction of stars visible from earth? Under the best conditions, no more than a few thousand stars are visible with the unaided eye, yet there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy and a hundred billion or so galaxies. Were they all created "to give light upon the earth"?

    (1:20) "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl."
    From what were the animals created?
    From what were the fowls created?

    (1:24) "Let the earth bring forth the living creature."
    Does the Bible teach evolution?

    (1:25) "God made the beast of the earth."
    Were humans created before the other animals?
    "The beast of the earth"

    (1:26a) "Let us make man in our image."
    How many gods are there?

    (1:26b) "Let them have dominion ... over all the earth."
    God gave humans dominion over every other living thing on earth. This couldn't be true, of course, since millions of other species existed for millions of years before humans existed. But this verse is used by fundamentalist Christians to justify their mistreatment of other species and disregard for the environment. After all, they believe that God created the other species just for them, so they can do whatever they please with them.


    That's just 1 page of the bible, talk about plot holes lol

    My point is that a man wrote the bible, and god did not script it. Yopu wanna know why there's no mention of dinosaurs in the story of Noah? Cause their were no paleontologist's back then and fossils had yet to be discovered BY MAN
    Bump.

    If y'all can help explain these plot holes from THE VERY FIRST PAGE of the bible, I might be swayed to 'believe' it's nothing more than a fairytale
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

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    Bump.

    If y'all can help explain these plot holes from THE VERY FIRST PAGE of the bible, I might be swayed to 'believe' it's nothing more than a fairytale
    I can see your point. Bt you've started to be disrespectful again just after saying what you admitted was wrong.
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    The non-believers which I prefer to call the Atheist, to be honest (not to disrespect their views), they only know Science. But know what? There is something which is out from science. Something that today Science still havent FULLY explain yet.
    Heard about people seeing Spirit? Seeing the Unseen? There is supernatural science to explain but it doesnt make sense. What about exorcism? Voodo? Black Magic? Inner Energy like The Yin and Yang? Fairy tail? Yeah, it exist and they still deny it? There are some people on the surface on earth that learnt to have their body to get invulnerable. Meaning, let say if they got slash by knife, nothing will happen. There are more out there, which simply cannot be listed here.

    I believe even the most supreme Govt in the world, The US GOVT, actually believe in this kind of thing and they got plans behind it. Sadly, they are the enemies of the believer that refused to served to God but the stoned Devil.

    These are all things that the Science that the non believer are so proud with, cannot explain this fenomena yet. This shows that Unseen World exist. And the Unseen World or Spiritual World are also part of the God's creation. Still want to deny?
     
         
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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Xentinel View Post
    The non-believers which I prefer to call the Atheist, to be honest (not to disrespect their views), they only know Science. But know what? There is something which is out from science. Something that today Science still havent FULLY explain yet.
    Heard about people seeing Spirit? Seeing the Unseen? There is supernatural science to explain but it doesnt make sense. What about exorcism? Voodo? Black Magic? Inner Energy like The Yin and Yang? Fairy tail? Yeah, it exist and they still deny it? There are some people on the surface on earth that learnt to have their body to get invulnerable. Meaning, let say if they got slash by knife, nothing will happen. There are more out there, which simply cannot be listed here.

    I believe even the most supreme Govt in the world, The US GOVT, actually believe in this kind of thing and they got plans behind it. Sadly, they are the enemies of the believer that refused to served to God but the stoned Devil.

    These are all things that the Science that the non believer are so proud with, cannot explain this fenomena yet. This shows that Unseen World exist. And the Unseen World or Spiritual World are also part of the God's creation. Still want to deny?
    Im sorry but it seems like you have an opinion that atheists are wrong or have a problem.
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

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    Im sorry but it seems like you have an opinion that atheists are wrong or have a problem.
    Maybe the way I write, it makes me sounded like that. I really respect their opinion and I got nothing to say with their opinion. My previous post is not to oppose the Non-believer's view but actually to share with them what they know not. I want them to make a research on it too.
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Quote Originally Posted by rikerslade View Post
    I believe in God. However, there's so many things I question about what He's done.

    For example, He allows turmoil, disaster, death and sin to exist because of a bet with Satan. You can try to sugarcoat it, but in the end, Satan made a bet with God and God allowed us to suffer and pay for the sins of Adam and Eve so He can win.

    It also bothers me why He couldn't just get rid of sin without having to sacrifice Jesus. God is the highest, so why couldn't He just get rid of it? It's not like there's someone saying to Him "Hey, no. You can't do that. Rules, RULES, man." And why did He get angry when Jesus was killed if He himself sent him to be killed on a mission to get rid of sin.


    God also strikes me as childish, or having childish characteristics sometimes. He has all the things anyone can ask for: omnipotent, infinite wisdom, immortality, and not a care in the world, never having to worry about ANYTHING but gets angry and mad when some people on a rock don't worship or acknowledge him? Seriously?

    And I love how God knew Lucifer was gonna turn into Satan, but made him anyway and allowed him to plunge the world into turmoil.
    so you, just like some other Christians here on NB doubt bible...but believe in God.
    I have a message to you and others like you: yes, there are so many contradicts and many illogical statements in Bible. Jesus, the son of god and god himself (as believed by christians - but note that this belief even contradicts some verses of Bible) died for our sins [of nothing we did] which was of what Adam or Eve did. This not sensible, yes. Do you guys know that many priests are converting to Islam every year? Search google, and know about their reasons to leave..study other religions..search for one true faith (like this guy). Im pretty sure you will reach a Book that will answer and solve almost all [if not all] questions asked by an Athiest or a christian like you.
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    I do not believe in God, Gods or any type of deity because there is no reason to. I do believe however that gods will exist in the far distance future and will be descendants of humanity (that is if we do not wipe ourselves out before we get the chance).
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanguis View Post
    I do not believe in God, Gods or any type of deity because there is no reason to. I do believe however that gods will exist in the far distance future and will be descendants of humanity (that is if we do not wipe ourselves out before we get the chance).
    Interesting idea, I see where you're coming from, but everyone has their own view on what god(s) are, or how they look and what they do. But I like what you're saying, sort of like those films where the main evil character wants to fk shit up
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Yes, of course I do! As to why... Because I was raised with it.
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

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    Yes, of course I do! As to why... Because I was raised with it.
    I know this is probably a hard prospect to imagine, but do you reckon you would still believe in god if you weren't raised with it? IF your parents were both strong atheist's?
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Xentinel View Post
    The non-believers which I prefer to call the Atheist, to be honest (not to disrespect their views), they only know Science. But know what? There is something which is out from science. Something that today Science still havent FULLY explain yet.
    Heard about people seeing Spirit? Seeing the Unseen? There is supernatural science to explain but it doesnt make sense. What about exorcism? Voodo? Black Magic? Inner Energy like The Yin and Yang? Fairy tail? Yeah, it exist and they still deny it? There are some people on the surface on earth that learnt to have their body to get invulnerable. Meaning, let say if they got slash by knife, nothing will happen. There are more out there, which simply cannot be listed here.

    I believe even the most supreme Govt in the world, The US GOVT, actually believe in this kind of thing and they got plans behind it. Sadly, they are the enemies of the believer that refused to served to God but the stoned Devil.

    These are all things that the Science that the non believer are so proud with, cannot explain this fenomena yet. This shows that Unseen World exist. And the Unseen World or Spiritual World are also part of the God's creation. Still want to deny?
    Yes, this proves nothing. Everyone knows about unseen energies. Hell, if you have someone behind you staring at you most people can physically feel it. This still explains nothing or answers anything I posted on the previous page.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xentinel View Post
    Maybe the way I write, it makes me sounded like that. I really respect their opinion and I got nothing to say with their opinion. My previous post is not to oppose the Non-believer's view but actually to share with them what they know not. I want them to make a research on it too.
    Your as bad as I am lol, "What they know not" Now you must be quoting your boy Jesus lol. BTW how did that dying for our sins thing work out? Did it make the world better. Got much worse since that 'supposedly happened.

    Still waiting for anyone to be able to prove my previous points wrong ie: how did god create light and darkness on the 1st day, but didn't make the sun till the 4th? Hmmm.....
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Well that funny you ask because I'm a man of science and not of god! Yeah I said it what what haha that a lie
     
         

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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Use that link people, read and research before posting about faith. I've research many religions.
    Did y'all know your not even reading a complete bible? Look up what Constantine did around 500AD (hint, he eliminated over 50 'Books' from the new testament and kept what he liked, look it up for yourselves)http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
    That link also covers the Kuran and book of Morman

    Also, the universe's edge has been discovered btw
    The universe is 14,000,000,000 years old, if something were more than 14,000,000,000 light years away it would take 14,000,000,000 light years to reach use which is longer than it has existed. Here's a link to help http://www.primaxstudio.com/stuff/sc...niverse-v1.swf move the scale at the bottom to see.
     
         
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    Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashflura View Post
    Errr I'm sorry to intercept...but a lot of the questioning is more than a simple misconception.
    Like you said God is omnipotent, infinite. Not human. Above all creatures. He's automatically out of our mind's understanding.
    A world without all this disaster, turmoil, death etc would simply be paradise.
    If you believe in the afterlife, this world becomes nothing more than a test and struggle. It's through that struggle that an individual can either come out on top, no matter how much life shits on them, and make God happy, by keeping faith and practice strong.
    Many people relate God with humanly qualities. That becomes the first mistake.
    God being childish? Really? I'd call it being simple and straight forward. Disobey and continue getting carried away with materialism, after understanding and being informed and you get punished. God is the only judge, what you don't understand is not a reason to not go looking up information to answer your questions. Repent, and he brings mercy.

    I'm not 100% sure how Christianity perceives the story of Jesus.
    I find it amusing how you scold someone for giving God 'humanly qualities', yet you do the same.
    I don't think you quite understand the ramifications of the properties you give God.

    Let us, for a second, accept the notion that there is a God. This God is, following the Jewish, Islamic and Christian belief, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, infinite and everything. He is Alpha and Omega.
    By themselves, these qualities have 'consequences'.

    Thoughts, yo.
    God, in most monotheistic religions, knows everything. His knowledge is, therefore, infinite. There is no limit to God's knowledge; he even knows what'll happen in the future. That, if we ignore the 'time is relative'-speech, petches God on a pedestal where his knowledge and memory is completely and utterly infinite. Even if we consider that the universe might end, causing the removal of all mass and energy, alongside the logic of 'time', God will still see the future, but it'll be a future of nothing. Just as we have optical memories of a completely dark room, God, in all his almightiness, will continue to 'percieve' and 'remember'.
    Do you agree so far? God knows everything, regardless of time. Therefore; God has 'infinite knowledge' and must therefore have 'infinite memory'.

    Now, what is a thought? "They’re really just electro-chemical reactions" (http://engineering.mit.edu/live/news...oughts-made-of) No matter how you put it, the ability to think requires a certain amount of things; like Neurons, Synapses and Axons. Thoughts are, essentially, electrical and chemical signals. All in all, the ability to think requires one to be some kind of matter. You have to be physical.

    "When you read these words, for example, the photons associated with the patterns of the letters hit your retina, and their energy triggers an electrical signal in the light-detecting cells there. That electrical signal propagates like a wave along the long threads called axons that are part of the connections between neurons. When the signal reaches the end of an axon, it causes the release of chemical neurotransmitters into the synapse, a chemical junction between the axon tip and target neurons. A target neuron responds with its own electrical signal, which, in turn, spreads to other neurons. Within a few hundred milliseconds, the signal has spread to billions of neurons in several dozen interconnected areas of your brain and you have perceived these words. (All that and you probably didn’t even break a sweat.)

    The fact that you are then able to convert the perception of these shapes into symbols, language, and meaning is a whole other story—and a good indication of the complexity of neuroscience. Trying to imagine how trillions of connections and billions of simultaneous transmissions coalesce inside your brain to form a thought is a little like trying to look at the leaves, roots, snakes, birds, ticks, deer—and everything else in a forest—at the same moment." (http://engineering.mit.edu/live/news...oughts-made-of)

    If we consider that God needs these basic, logical components to think; God's mass and volume would be infinite.
    If we consider that God doesn't need Neurotransmitters, Axons, Neurons or Synapses to think, then, somehow, God must have an infinite amount of electrical and chemical signals somewhere that somehow stores information.

    How would this thing think? It would have an infinite mass yet have no volume.
    But we're just scraping the surface. Even if we consider that God can think, how does he store an infinite amount of information?
    Again, Neurons, Axons, Synapses. God can think of everything at once while he remembers everything at once. It is physically impossible for an entity of infinite memory and knowledge to exist.

    http://engineering.mit.edu/live/news...oughts-made-of
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neuron
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory#Physiology
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storage_%28memory%29

    If that was too theoretical and whoop-de-doo for you (it certainly was for me), how about we grab something more simple?

    God, according to Religion, possesses the ability to be everywhere at once. God is infinite in everything; able to do everything.
    First of all, it's impossible for God to be infinite. Infinity means without end, and, logically, leaves no holes. Following this logic there would be nothing but God, in the sense that God would be everything that is, meaning that I'm God, and you're God, and my dog is God.
    Basically; "If the God is infinite, then God is all that there is. There is nothing other than God. All of existence is God and God is all that exists."
    If God has the ability to travel faster than Light, then he'd have to consists of nothingness, which would give him a limit since something besides nothing exists. If God consists of nothing, then God, technically, doesn't exist.
    If God, on the other hand, consists of something, then, to be everywhere, he'd have to have an infinite volume, which would, logically, make him consists of matter. If you consists of matter and have a volume, then, per difinition, you have a mass, too. If your volume is infinite, as is your mass.
    The only exception is photons, who are considered massless objects. Photons, however, are unable to travel faster than the speed of light, which means that God's influence is restricted to the speed of light.

    http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...oton_mass.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E...gy_equivalence
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_mass
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon...cal_properties
    http://news.discovery.com/space/time...on-110724.html (for the lulz)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volume

    Your God would have to be impossibly complex, consists of nothing and fill everything to exists. Not even being all energy in the universe would give him these properties.

    http://www.physicscentral.org/experi...20120221015143

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