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    Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    I'll give it straight : how comes Madara and his brother are the first to achieve MS ? Let me explain : to achieve MS one must live a traumatic event ( seeing or killing the person closest to you, for obito and itachi respectively ). Well I find it hard to believe that Madara and his bro were the first to live such experiences. At first I thought they were the first to truly fully master the sharingan and then they met the requirements but Obito going to 2T->3T->MS just destroyed that theory. Any thoughts ?
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    They were in war 24/7 they experianced stuff
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    NO obito achieving the MS was because kakashi killed rin, Obito liked rin. see why he got the MS and the tramautic effect it gave gave.
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    I guess having the other mask guy from the gedo mazo fusing with obito had something to do.. just my opinion..




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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    I meant, Madara and his brother can't be the first gen of uchiha. Madara's era was only a century ago. The Uchiha have a much longer history, how comes is it only a century ago that an Uchiha acquired the MS ? No Uchiha lived a traumatic event in all the time before those two appeared ??
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    because madara was probably the first to kill his comrades
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    I meant, Madara and his brother can't be the first gen of uchiha. Madara's era was only a century ago. The Uchiha have a much longer history, how comes is it only a century ago that an Uchiha acquired the MS ? No Uchiha lived a traumatic event in all the time before those two appeared ??
    They might have been the first in a few years to be able to achieve that power.
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    didnt itachi say it its still a rare thing only exceptional uchihas get. Obito is the only exception to the rule. In fact his alias tobi comes from a tale meaning an exceptional child can be born from normal parents. sasuke said in part one all uchihas dont get regular Sharingan so i assume the MS is super rare.
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    Yeah war all the time, they lose their friends. And they might not go to trauma, but maybe killed a friend?
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

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    because madara was probably the first to kill his comrades
    That's hardly believable. So there was no murder in the Uchiha clan before him ? That's not likely, we are humans we make mistakes and people are hurt by those mistakes, like two bestfriends fighting over a girl etc... Shit like that happens everywhere, the Uchiha couldn't have been a murder-free clan. Plus Obito just proved that you don't have to actually kill to awaken MS. What's the answer to that ?
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    They were the first in modern times. The legend of the MS was passed through the Uchiha for generations. People tried it but failed so it was thought to be fake. Madara and Izuna however, found the secret to obtainig MS. They were the first RECOREDED to gain the MS. Now that the secret was out, it became a little easier to gain MS.
    First Obito, then Shusui, then Itachi and last Sasuke.

    Remember, Madara knew the secret and probabaly set Obito up to get MS.
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    Not every Uchiha was able to achieve MS. Only the TOP of the clan were able to obtain it(Madara being the leader, and his brother being his sparring parter/rival.

    Obito is a descendant of Madara, and becoming powerful under Madara's wing, enabled him to achieve that power much quicker
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    they killed there closest comrades
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    _ Well I don't remember reading anywhere that Madara had children or even a wife. How could Obito be his descendant ?
    _ The Uchiha are a clan. That means they record things, like their history, members. They have archives. I don't get how they could have lost that knowledge. And I do remember reading that Madara and his bro were the first ( as in the very first ever ) to unlock it. I'm just looking for a suitable answer/theory
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    You can prob also power up the sharingan from fighting each other out of acknowlegement. Izuna and madara always did. Sasuke gained his 3rd tomoe from fighting naruto.
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    thats not a problem, the biggest problem is if obito can so quickly get MS after one painful event in his life, why didnt loads more uchiha get MS during the times of war with madara.


    Im telling u guys this whole tobi is obitio crap is almost killing the story.
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    It could be that Madara and Izuna were one of the earlier generations of the Uchiha. Though Madara's time was only a century ago, all of the Hidden Villages are still pretty young when you think about it (all of them are at or around their fifth Kage). That could mean ninja might only have been around for a little while, and SO6P in fact died only a few centuries ago, if that. The storyline never mentioned how long ago SO6P's time was (MAYBE because Kishimoto had something to hide?), and it could be a possibility.
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    I meant, Madara and his brother can't be the first gen of uchiha. Madara's era was only a century ago. The Uchiha have a much longer history, how comes is it only a century ago that an Uchiha acquired the MS ? No Uchiha lived a traumatic event in all the time before those two appeared ??
    This is actually hard to explain. Madara was said to be the strongest Uchiha in the Uchiha's history. It was said that Madara and Izuna had the strongest chakara that the Uchiha has ever seen within that clan. So obviously they were special because even the 9tails states how special Madara was and the 9tails has been around for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time. But if you remember the same thing can be said for Hashirama and his brother. Madara just inherited the Elder sons power as did Hashirama and the younger son.
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic Path View Post
    NO obito achieving the MS was because kakashi killed rin, Obito liked rin. see why he got the MS and the tramautic effect it gave gave.
    Nope, triggered by the death of your closets friend, in this case, Rin.
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    obito is far from the best even itachi got sharingan faster..

    And they were the 1st to master it................................ they mastered it 80 years before obito rofl..
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    A traumatizing experience isn't comparable to experiencing deep pain from the death of a loved one. Everyone experiences the death of a loved one. Obito's trauma is that he doesn't want life without Rin at all, so he sees his life meaningless without her, unlike others who mourn for their loved one and move on. Obito wasn't able to and couldn't possibly imagine it. That's the best explanation I have, despite that it has a hole or two that people can probably puncture into it.
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    Obito's trauma is hardly a rare event. People suffer everyday. So why is that only a century ago was the MS discovered ? No uchiha before that lived a extremely traumatic event ? The world was at war, people died all the time.. It makes little to no sense. I thought that madara and his bro were the first to fully master the sharingan - they were very skilled and competitive - then came the trauma. Obito and his MS just blew that theory
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    Obito's trauma is hardly a rare event. People suffer everyday. So why is that only a century ago was the MS discovered ? No uchiha before that lived a extremely traumatic event ? The world was at war, people died all the time.. It makes little to no sense. I thought that madara and his bro were the first to fully master the sharingan - they were very skilled and competitive - then came the trauma. Obito and his MS just blew that theory
    1st of all we can't really know about the past, just take what is in the plot and deal with it....
    Why did he blew that theory? Going to 3T and then to MS seems legit? I have seen no evidence that you MUST have 3t to get MS, but Obito didn't get 3t from skills, is all that this chapter proved, so he had a little help from a trauma, big deal.. Madara and Izuna still were the 1st to master it...
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    In Madara's time, war was common and i wouldn't be suprised that ninjas those days were ruthless and didnt care as much when a close friend of theirs dies. It was normal back then. They saw death the moment they were born.

    Thats prolly why Itachi said in part 1 that you have to kill your CLOSEST friend...because thats prolly the only way (in those war days) that someone would get emotionally distraught,witnessing the death of a close friend wasnt enough. Madara and Izuna killed their best friends and that triggered the MS,same with Itachi who was used to people dying everyday since he was an anbu agent.

    The generation of Sasuke's and Obito's were more civilized and they had a better life than the war days of Madara. Itachi is an exception because he was an anbu agent. Sasuke lived a good life until his brother murdered the whole clan. Obito also never had one of his friends killed . The MS was easier to acquire because you just had to witness a tramautic death of a loved one, instead of actually killing them. Thats how Sasuke and Obito got theirs.

    Kill closest friend - Madara, Izuna, Itachi

    Witness death of loved one - Sasuke, Obito
     
         

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    Re: Something bothers me about the Mangekyo Sharingan

    Quote Originally Posted by raziel777 View Post
    _ Well I don't remember reading anywhere that Madara had children or even a wife. How could Obito be his descendant ?
    _ The Uchiha are a clan. That means they record things, like their history, members. They have archives. I don't get how they could have lost that knowledge. And I do remember reading that Madara and his bro were the first ( as in the very first ever ) to unlock it. I'm just looking for a suitable answer/theory
    Only Kurama knows the full story of the uchiha clan but he has no intentions of reviling anything
     
         

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