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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    the problem for me is that the gedo mazo from what i undestand was never actually the body of the juubi the body of the 10 tails is sealed in the moon , whereas gedo mazo was supposed to be its new body after all of the tailed beasts where gathered . exept from this very good theory
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    I find it so funny when obito says nagato was easy to control when he was the one really following madara to the letter for his moon eye plan.

    Nagato had his own plans to make a new nuke jutsu. And i Love how obitio says nagato dying was gonna happen eventually but was shocked it happened so soon. Like hell obitio has any chance against nagato. Obitio u should thanking naruto for dealing with nagato, nagato wouldnt have agreed with the moon eye plan anyway and therefore not revied madara.

    Obitio is actually a bigger noob than sasuke. Sasuke is pretty good now hes now on the road of understanding why the uchiha were power hungry noobs and died out the way they did.
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Quote Originally Posted by thegame View Post
    Yes I thought about this as well after reading the chapter. It seems quite obvious it wasn't obitos own power that defeated those mist nins, though they were fodder..

    Regarding Yahikos death most people suggest it happens same year as obitos "death", since it was during the war. Remember that Konoha was mainly in war against Iwa, and Kusa and Ame are next to each other on the map. It was probably in this war that Iwa was using akatsuki in their war, and Danzo then made a deal with Hanzo, who was also leader of a group of mercenary soldiers. They both wanted to destroy akatsuki, so it makes sense.

    However, the information about the location of madaras cave make this highly doubtable. Well am not gonna find the map, but it is pretty far from Ame, and I mean we see Nagato summon the ghedo mazo. It does stick up from the earth, so we don't see its full structure, but anyway it is strange it can leave his cave. So perhaps Yahiko really do die after Madaras death.
    I don't think there is a limit on distance of a summoning is there? I'm sure that would make summoning gamabunta impossible. But the fact Gedo Mazo came out of the ground does not mean he resting directly under them. So I dont see how the distance makes a difference.
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Quote Originally Posted by Akx19 View Post
    I don't think there is a limit on distance of a summoning is there? I'm sure that would make summoning gamabunta impossible. But the fact Gedo Mazo came out of the ground does not mean he resting directly under them. So I dont see how the distance makes a difference.
    Well my point wasn't that there should be a distance limit on summoning. It is that the distance from the place Ghedo Mazo was summoned and to the cave Madara is sitting in, is pretty far. We know that the ghedo mazo is giving life to some plant it is sitting on top of, and this plant has some sort of roots connected to Madara which keeps him alive. The full extent of these details is unknown though, but he said the state was keeping him alive, so it seems to be this way.

    So if the Mazo was summoned elsewhere it couldn't give chakra to the plant, which means Madara would be in risk of losing his life. Perhaps the plant could work as a battery and keep some chakra stored in it for a while, which could explain it, but still it's hard to predict.
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Dude the Juubi reaching for the moon was epic! And it seems so true....awesome!
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Solid (possible) connections, +rep for sure.

    I had the thought Madara needed to die when Nagato summons the Gedo, just never connected it like you did here. The first thing I questioned about this weeks manga was all of Obito's howling and whether he was being possessed by the Gedo somehow at that point.
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    hey what does fire and lightning make on The Master's Legacy?
     
         

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    absolutely brilliant theory my friend, very well explained and thought out
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    I believe you are right. The way Nagato and Obito flipped out reminded me of how Naruto would flip out when he went he went Nine tails mode. Both of them got so angry that they gave up and were looking for a way to erase the pain just like Naruto had done before and just like how he would gain a huge amount of power and lose all sense of himself when the Nine Tails took over somehow through those black rods a piece of the Jubi will took over and gave them both power and a desire for complete destruction. It did not work the same way since neither Obito and Nagato were jinchuriki and the Jubi was not complete but the effects were similar. This would also lend to the theory that somewhere a piece of the Jubi's hatred remains looking for a way to recreate itself and it may be using Madara and Obito to complete its goal just like they manipulated others to get their goal and when it is revived it won't just let itself be sealed but will look to destroy the world itself.
     
         
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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Quote Originally Posted by DigiArmor View Post
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    Bet that hurts. I'd recommend getting that looked at.

    Thank you everyone else for taking the time to read my thread and for the rep. I really think the similarities were intentional by Kishi. Whether or not they have as deep of a relevance as I think, digging into the past reveals some interesting things and shows how congruent the storyline is.

    Assuming im correct the next chapter it will be interesting to see where Kishi takes this. Do you think he explain more about how Obito gained that immense power?
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Quote Originally Posted by thgt89 View Post
    I believe you are right. The way Nagato and Obito flipped out reminded me of how Naruto would flip out when he went he went Nine tails mode. Both of them got so angry that they gave up and were looking for a way to erase the pain just like Naruto had done before and just like how he would gain a huge amount of power and lose all sense of himself when the Nine Tails took over somehow through those black rods a piece of the Jubi will took over and gave them both power and a desire for complete destruction. It did not work the same way since neither Obito and Nagato were jinchuriki and the Jubi was not complete but the effects were similar. This would also lend to the theory that somewhere a piece of the Jubi's hatred remains looking for a way to recreate itself and it may be using Madara and Obito to complete its goal just like they manipulated others to get their goal and when it is revived it won't just let itself be sealed but will look to destroy the world itself.
    Very well said. I've been sensing that for a while now. If I stop being lazy maybe I'll go back and look for any connections. I really like that theory. Thanks. +REP
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    The Gedo Mazou theory (Madara/Nagato) seemed very nice and logical...
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Awesome thread. Good job with the research.
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    The second part of your post was an eye-opener! That may be true,good looking out!

    But the first part is iffy. Obito just sprouted like 3 black rods. Nagato has the Rinnegan and summoned the Gedo Mazu,and the block rods went into him,not out of him.
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Quote Originally Posted by Encon Uchiha View Post
    The second part of your post was an eye-opener! That may be true,good looking out!

    But the first part is iffy. Obito just sprouted like 3 black rods. Nagato has the Rinnegan and summoned the Gedo Mazu,and the block rods went into him,not out of him.
    Point is there still are black rods. Doesn't matter what they do but that they even appear in the first place. Black rods are affiliated with Gedo Mazu period.
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Read the theory before and I am not really convinced but thanks for the nice read.
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Quote Originally Posted by JWSoul View Post
    Very good especially the last part well done. It makes sense that the Summoning killed Madara or at least began his death! He then sent Obito out to find out who summoned the Gedo and found Nagato! Perhaps!
    exactly what i was thinking after reading this. Nagato summoned the Gedo, Madara was probably barely alive after that and sent Obito to find the one with the rinnegan. only thing is, didnt madara say he gave Nagato those eyes? what if when Obito said that he means that madara had decided to take Nagatos eye and enhance them, or for some reason did give Nagato his rinnegan? Also, it was planned sometime between the summoning of the Gedo (assuming madara doesnt know about Nagato being able to summon it) that Madara was to be revived, but not as he was. If Nagato summoning the Gedo killed Madara or practically did how would he know to get Obito to edo him? Unless he had planned all along that this was what he was going to do and Nagato kind of just showed himself......or its possible Madara knew about Nagato and the rinnegan all along (maybe due to him using it to kill the leaf shinobi or something) and planned out Yahiko's death manipulating Hanzos dudes to get Nagato to activate his rinnegan to its full potential.

    the more i think about it...with Madara being alive thsi whole time and hating life and hating everyone in life and just hating everything lol he probably had more than enough time to plot out shit to have the uchiha killed, manipulate the villages to killing each other over tailed beasts and mindscrewing Obito and Nagato into his mindset. I mean hes not asking for nothing horrible, just a perfect world...but his way of obtaining it is rather violent and contradictory to what he wants....
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Also, isnt the Gedo thing the like creator/destroyer of things? well creation and destruction could be compared to good/evil bad/good....maybe black zetzu and black rods are the like negative or bad half full of power and the white zetzu (though i wouldnt call good) have a different powers? like copying someones chakra or something. If the zetzu's are created from the gedo and they seem to have the ultimate versatile abilities (they remember everything, can technically travel all over the world, copy exact chakra to become undetected, has moderate lv tai jutsu, can use hashi's tree power.....) it seems very plausible that Madara has planned out alot of this stuff by using the zetzus. maybe the swirly zetzu that took over Obito or black zetzu in general is like uchiha dna as well as senju...thats why the black rods come out and Nagato and Obito go psycho....they represent a type of negative power from the gedo. Sorry....im typing as im thinking so some of this might not make sense...
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Deva Path(Yahiko) with his fight with Naruto was constantly pulling out Black Rods like it was nothing.

    OT: so in conclusion.
    Nagato killed Madara!?!?
     
         

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    Re: Startling parallel between Obito & Nagato's story. Possibly a few HUGE discoverie

    Interesting theory. Though I believe what stuck out of Obito was more like Mokuton spikes rather than the black rods.
     
         

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