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    To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    I want to say that the latest topic is regarding Sasuke defeating Kabuto fused with Orochimaru. I have to say that we have different opinions regarding the matter of this battle.

    You all think Kabuto can easily overpower Sasuke and i find that ridiculous. Kabuto isn't a threat to be honest. He basically felt happy when he saw both Uchiha's in the cave. The only reason Kabuto was overpowering them was because of the location of the battle. Sasuke and Itachi both had disadvantages in that fight.

    First, the cave made Kabuto had the ability to make his jutsu's versatile against the brothers.
    Second, he had the power to control the cave with his DSM and shape it to his desire.
    Third, Kabuto's White Rage had a big effect on the brothers because of the cave itself.
    Fourth, Kabuto had home advantage i bet he wouldn't have been able to transmit that much light, sound, and creation outside in a plain field of grass.

    Furthermore, he assumes that he was going easy. Kabuto used all of his ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu against the brothers and still failed to capture the victory. Sure i will admit he is a formidable opponent, but his overconfidence leads to his defeat every single time.

    Now i want to talk about Nagato-- it took three ninjas in order to defeat him. If you put Itachi and Sasuke vs Nagato i bet the Uchiha brothers would of lost the match. Nagato was haxxed to the max and the dude couldn't use his legs. Imagine if he could move with his own two feet? More trouble since he float through the air thanks to his gravitational powers. Nagato was easily making chowder of both Naruto and Bee compare that to Kabuto. Many people believe that Kabuto can single out Nagato in battle. Kabuto was never a SO6P or even close for that matter. He was just trying to sound like a dominant foe that's all. I bet Hashirama can take him out by his own.

    I bet even Itachi by himself can defeat Kabuto, but with severe difficulty. I don't see Sasuke having the same problem though. He has great control of his sharingan and it has evolved to the EMS. Amaterasu is Sasuke's most powerful attack fusing it with Blaze Release to move the flames instantly. He has Tsukuyomi which can momentarily paralyze an opponent or make reality seem like an illusion. Sasuke's Susanoo has evolved into such a dangerous humanoid. He can make an orb of black flames to shoot targets and kill them instantly. He also has Susanoo Arrow coated with Amaterasu further increasing it's power. He can use a blade with the bow i believe.

    Kabuto is strong, but i feel that without the help of Edo Tensei. He doesn't stand a chance against Sasuke outside his cave. When Sasuke holds back we know that he always loses. Look when he fought Killer B? He was getting owned for not taking him serious enough. Sasuke going after someone with the intent of killing is dangerous. Plus, Kabuto told Sasuke all the abilities he possessed thanks to Taka. Sasuke knows Kabuto can heal that isn't a problem for him, Sasuke knows Suigetsu's weakness is Raiton, and Sasuke knows about Jugo's abilities as well. Kabuto has Oral Rebirth, but if Sasuke can paralyze him in Doton stage. Kabuto is really finished and don't forget that Sasuke knows Oral Rebirth himself. He did used against Itachi in the Uchiha Hideout. Sasuke has knowledge about Kabuto's techniques because they are related to Orochimaru and his former minions. The only thing that overwhelmed Sasuke was the DSM. He immediately found a way to stop his Inorganic Recreation technique. Sasuke wins against Kabuto with moderate-high difficulty. Kabuto might beat Sasuke inside the cave and i said might win.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Sasuke cannot do a thing against Kabuto. So this thread isn't "ending" anything. Sorry.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Sasuke wins via Amaterasu arrow to the face.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiantShuriken View Post
    Sasuke wins via Amaterasu arrow to the face.
    because that worked so well the first time
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    THANK you! I've been saying this since the Kabuto fight came out in the manga. I completely agree.. blaze release/amaterasu would wreck Kabuto even with shed skin it would just keep coming back at him.

    Sasuke > Kabuto.
    Good thread +rep superflyezzD

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Mike View Post
    THANK you! I've been saying this since the Kabuto fight came out in the manga. I completely agree.. blaze release/amaterasu would wreck Kabuto even with shed skin it would just keep coming back at him.

    Sasuke > Kabuto.
    Good thread +rep superflyezzD

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    lol Of course you would agree. Now to wait for the other well known fanboys...
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by HiddenSound View Post
    lol Of course you would agree. Now to wait for the other well known fanboys...
    HiddenSound, you are a orochimaru fanboy, it's obvious you would pick Kabuto's shared powers.. it is pretty obvious that Kabuto has no real counter to Amaterasu/Blaze release combo.. shed skin won't work for shit. He can move his Amaterasu as he pleases around. Get over it man.. Sasuke > Kabuto
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    @HiddenSound

    You are delusional to the reality. I did admit that Sasuke might lose in the cave isn't that fair enough to make you stop protesting my point of view? The battle in the cave is situational, so i don't know who would win in that location.

    Sasuke's matches doesn't make him the victor for a few reasons. Because he always has some handicap that prevents him to do away with his opponent. Ex: Sasuke vs Deidara, Sasuke vs Killer B, and Sasuke with Itachi vs Kabuto. Sasuke is then made out this weakling that people judge by having the opportunity of insulting his power. But then people have the audacity to say that Naruto beat Kakazu and Pain with all his hard work! The Pain match was his best performance, so i won't discount him of that victory. Kabuto was behind all the other character in terms of power: Naruto, Sasuke, Kages, Tobi, etc... The only reason he got that strong is by injecting himself with cells from other ninjas. If i give Sasuke "Edo Tensei" as a free power-up with Rinnegan who win the battle? Would you still say Kabuto> Sasuke? Sasuke admit in the fight to Itachi that if they don't take out Kabuto. The match is only going to intensify itself, so that's why he wanted to kill Kabuto in the fight. To avoid further complications from Kabuto. I never discredit Kabuto for being weak, despite stealing powers to get there. He was strong against Sasuke and Itachi, but he had all the advantages in the world and still failed to defeat both of them. Who cares about if this was a killing match because if it was Sasuke and Itachi would of cleaned house with Kabuto, especially Sasuke. So your arguements don't prove that Sasuke loses to Kabuto. Many of you say that Kabuto beat Sasuke with the White Rage technique that's all the proof you say in base. Did you forget that Sasuke saved Itachi numerous of times in that fight? It wasn't only Itachi doing the saving here and there. The White Rage took prep and Sasuke was only standing there doing nothing, but just waiting for the attack to come his way.
     
         
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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha Mike View Post
    THANK you! I've been saying this since the Kabuto fight came out in the manga. I completely agree.. blaze release/amaterasu would wreck Kabuto even with shed skin it would just keep coming back at him.

    Sasuke > Kabuto.
    Good thread +rep superflyezzD

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    White Rage. You lost.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCloudsBlackLightning View Post
    White Rage. You lost.
    If it was in an open area the sound waves would not bounce off the cave walls therefore emitting less power and backbone behind the jutsu..
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by GiantShuriken View Post
    Sasuke wins via Amaterasu arrow to the face.
    When did that happen ??
    is that because u like sasuke
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    Except for the fact that kabuto already displayed the ability to dodge them up close so i don't why you even bothered saying this
    True, but Sasuke was told by Itachi to be careful. So imagine to shoot a menacing arrow at an enemy without killing him? I believe the arrow Kabuto dodged was the one he shot near the ground. Sasuke caught Kabuto in the top of the cave and if he uses Amaterasu coated arrows. Kabuto is in deep trouble.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    kabuto wasnt aiming to kill either you have to explain both sides to an arguement.
    Well he did aim to kill Itachi although he was an Edo Zombie. Didn't he almost kill Sasuke with Muki Tensei? Anyways, he had the advantage thanks not only to his experimentation, but his location where the fight took place it amplified the powers he stole to intercept both Sasuke and Itachi. Besides the match was more Itachi vs Kabuto than Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto, because Sasuke barely contribute to the fight. He was just there to assist Itachi to help him have enough time for Izanami and save him a few times. You do realize Sasuke didn't use the Full Susanoo, Blaze Release: Magatama, Coated Arrows, he also had to prevent Kabuto from tagging Itachi, and he held more so than Itachi. Kabuto didn't look to me like he was holding back in this match. He was using all the Sound 5's powers, Orochimaru, Taka, and DSM. The only thing is that his jutsu's were less 1 KO's and he was careful in how to use them. Itachi and Sasuke had more complications because one it was the first time they fought as a team and second they had to capture Kabuto with genjutsu. In a way, Itachi was the one that complicated the match by telling Kabuto his intentions. I already said, Kabuto with Edo Tensei can beat the Uchiha's together or solo both of them. But alone without Edo's, Kabuto ultimately loses the match.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFlyzzED View Post
    Well he did aim to kill Itachi although he was an Edo Zombie. Didn't he almost kill Sasuke with Muki Tensei? Anyways, he had the advantage thanks not only to his experimentation, but his location where the fight took place it amplified the powers he stole to intercept both Sasuke and Itachi. Besides the match was more Itachi vs Kabuto than Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto, because Sasuke barely contribute to the fight. He was just there to assist Itachi to help him have enough time for Izanami and save him a few times. You do realize Sasuke didn't use the Full Susanoo, Blaze Release: Magatama, Coated Arrows, he also had to prevent Kabuto from tagging Itachi, and he held more so than Itachi. Kabuto didn't look to me like he was holding back in this match. He was using all the Sound 5's powers, Orochimaru, Taka, and DSM. The only thing is that his jutsu's were less 1 KO's and he was careful in how to use them. Itachi and Sasuke had more complications because one it was the first time they fought as a team and second they had to capture Kabuto with genjutsu. In a way, Itachi was the one that complicated the match by telling Kabuto his intentions. I already said, Kabuto with Edo Tensei can beat the Uchiha's together or solo both of them. But alone without Edo's, Kabuto ultimately loses the match.
    nope

    Some of the stalagmites would have tried to hit Sasuke as well, but they only went for Itachi.

    @ underlined, probably because they realized he could render Susano'o useless.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by HiddenSound View Post
    nope

    Some of the stalagmites would have tried to hit Sasuke as well, but they only went for Itachi.

    @ underlined, probably because they realized he could render Susano'o useless.
    Yes, Itachi received most of the stalagmites, but some of those were going to hit Sasuke. So if Itachi didn't place the Susanoo on Sasuke. Sasuke would have been in critical-fatal conditions.

    @DeadManWonderland, i am not going to keep debating with you. The only that has flaws in there arguement is you. I didn't give the typical answers saying, Sasuke will dominate Kabuto the whole fight or Sasuke will beat him in three seconds or Sasuke will beat Kabuto to a bloody pulp with no effort. I call things out for what they seem here. Kishimoto might of planned Itachi to face Kabuto all by himself. The thing is that Kishimoto thought of a brilliant idea, which was bringing Sasuke to the picture to make the story more interesting. So i bet Kishimoto was planning to make an Itachi vs Kabuto match. Most people thought right away that Itachi was going to face Kabuto alone. Sasuke would just continue walking around until he found Naruto's whereabouts to fight him. Kishimoto had everyone or should i say most of us fooled. When chapter 574 ended with Sasuke defeating all those Zetsu. Most of people initially thought that Sasuke and Itachi weren't going to meet because Itachi entrusted Sasuke upon Naruto. Then chapter 576 comes and people think that Sasuke is just seeing an illusion when in fact it was Itachi all along. People said, Kishi is trolling us that's not Itachi but a figment in Sasuke's mind. When the next pages came people felt stupid for trolling themselves. Itachi was willing to stop Kabuto at all cost and even used crows to prevent Sasuke from further pursuing him. Sasuke goal wasn't to help Itachi defeat Kabuto it was to get information from him, so he had no choice but to help his brother first in order to get his answers to his questions. Sasuke barely fought Kabuto in that match. He didn't went beserk and crazy avenger on Kabuto. Itachi warned Sasuke to be careful and when Sasuke told Itachi can i kill him already. Itachi told him to just wait out for a little while. So if Itachi told Sasuke to not kill Kabuto and Sasuke wanted to kill Kabuto to prevent any complications. That only means Itachi was aware that Sasuke could take on Kabuto. He missed the arrow, so what? Itachi told Sasuke to be careful when he shot the arrow and he lost his concentration that made him unable to trap Kabuto's snake tail. But who cares? Because Kabuto got trapped the second time! I already stated many facts and if you didn't see the fight it's obvious that Sasuke wasn't doing much at all. People were pissed more with Sasuke, because he didn't show any EMS abilities against Kabuto.
     
         
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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    his next reasoning might be that we are bias because we have oro pics even though we are using facts and examples provided by the manga lol i thought a fan boy was someone who knows quite a deal about a certain character but nowadays fanboyism is just synonymous with disregarding facts and the manga in general /:
    Some fanboys aren't too bad. I'd say I'm that first kind of fanboy. But, yes, most fanboys are pretty bad...
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    You didnt end anything.
    Kabuto>Sasuke
    Kabuto>Itachi
    Kabuto>Nagato
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCloudsBlackLightning View Post
    You didnt end anything.
    Kabuto>Sasuke
    Kabuto>Itachi
    Kabuto>Nagato
    You forgot to put edo in front of kabuto
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Kabuto had sage mode ..
    I wonder can he use that mode now after he
    Returned to normal ..
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Itachi's victory is instantaneous via Izanami but I think Kabuto would beat Sasuke.
     
         

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