To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

[End of Days]

If you are referring to Tayuya's genjutsu not being able to work well out doors then you are mistaken, as It worked fine on Shikamaru and there was some distance beween them OUTDOORS.

white rage, muki tensei
Kabuto may have looked impressive in the cave but alot of ninjas will be equally dangerous or more in the cave

[Zato]

In that location Kabuto would most likely win even though Sasuke would have a big advantage with Enton and Amateratsu. Sasuke stated that Kabuto had a advantage because of the location. If they were outside in an open area then things can easily change because a then a lot of Kabuto's abilities would be watered down.

The sound genjutsu shouldn't be too much of a problem since in that very moment they got caught in it they instantly seen through it because of the sharigan. Which was step one in breaking an genjutsu. This was why neither one of them were worried when they got caught in it. The data book pretty much states that the sharigan are able to easily break genjutsu depending on the level of the user. People need to understand that just because its sound genjutsu it doesn't change the affects it puts on the opponent. The affects are the same as if it was an visual genjutsu. The delivery is just different because its instant and its carried through sound waves, the affects are the same as visual genjutsu. Just like how Sasuke was caught in Shi's genjutsu and he instantly seen through it and broke out of it, but by the time he did the Raikage and Darui were right behind him.

[Deadai]

white rage, muki tensei
Kabuto may have looked impressive in the cave but alot of ninjas will be equally dangerous or more in the cave

How aee white rage affected? it charges straight twords you with a blast of blinding sound and light I admit its ability's are enhanced in the cave but it would still give Kabuto more then long enough opining for an attack.

Muki Tensei may not use spiked to attack you but somthing similer could happen such as the ground attacking you from beneath/ eatting you.

[Champ]

Whatever you say, champ. There's no point "debating" with you, anyway. It's been long-since proven that Kabuto wins more times than not. See the post where we declare our victory. So I'll leave the thread with this last post. But I'll come back if something interesting happens. Probably not, though.

That's nice

[kiros23]

you forgot sasuke to add to your title as example..

anyways...nice story..

[minator93]

It took almost everything from Edo Itachi to stop Kabuto. He even sacrified his eye i.e. he also lost his Susanoo.

Also in that fight their were instances when the Uchihas tag-teamed on him. Kabuto caould've solod them if it weren't for Izanami [PNJ] or even if he were to face one at a time

[Zato]

It took almost everything from Edo Itachi to stop Kabuto. He even sacrified his eye i.e. he also lost his Susanoo.

Also in that fight their were instances when the Uchihas tag-teamed on him. Kabuto caould've solod them if it weren't for Izanami [PNJ] or even if he were to face one at a time

? "almost everything" is what exactly? Kabuto told him that he heals instantly, blocked his vision and he can liquify his body. From the moment they started fighting he was preparing Izanagi for the simple fact that was an 100% way to stop Kabuto's movements(Itachi states that Izanagi was the easiest way to stop Kabuto so that he could use Tsukuyomi on him) AND Itachi was already dead anyway so him losing his eye was meaningless to him.

[HitmanSasuke23]

If it was in an open area the sound waves would not bounce off the cave walls therefore emitting less power and backbone behind the jutsu..

Excellent point my friend

[SuperFlyzzED]

*cracks knuckles*
The debate of weather Sasuke can defeat Kabuto or not ends here

first off lets look at taijutsu shall we? whalst Kabuto is in DSM he has enhanced strength and sensory not to mention his surgical precision with chakra scalpel. Which even Tsunade noted as being highly impressive in her battle with Kabuto, then there is the fact that Kabuto has the healing capability's of Both Karin and Orochimaru leaving all physical attacks useless.

Then there is genjutsu because of Kabuto being able to fight blinded all genjutsu is rendered useless.

I am also seeing allot of of arguments weather Amaterasu could hit Kabuto or not I say it is possible but unlikely seeing as how easily Kabuto was able to avoid Sasuke's Susanoo arrow arguably his quickest attack.

Sasuke's fire based jutsu can be counter'd with Kabuto's water based jutsu, here you could count that as a draw. allthough Sasuke does have lightning based jutsu which can counter Kabuto's earth release which is a point to Sasuke.

as for the Susanoo there are 3 jutsu we know of in Kabuto's arsenal that could take care of it 1,white rage 2,organic manipulation(spikes could attack from underneath Susanoo to pearce Sasuke) and 3, Tayuya's genjutsu. All of these attacks leaving Sasuke wide open for a finishing blow.


I could add more to how/why Kabuto would defeat Sasuke without much difficulty but this should be more then enough proof.

, Amaterasu is quicker than Susanoo Arrow. Do you not realize that with Amaterasu you only focus on the target and the attack is instant? Susanoo Arrow might be his strongest attack, but not the fastest by any means. Kabuto's taijutsu and sensory abilities are quite good, but does it matter? Taijutsu is not a factor given the facts that Sasuke fought the fastest ninjas, except Minato in battle. He already has experience. Sensing your attack is something valuable which can turn the tables in the fight, but Kabuto can't dodge forever. He was stuck when Sasuke used a Susanoo Arrow on him and he was using Sasuke's sword to free himself... Why didn't he shed his skin? He could of left the dead carcass hanging in the ceiling, but noooooooooooo he had to get the sword to liberate himself. The battle of course would be more complicated for Sasuke because of Kabuto's ability to regenerate himself with his healing abilities. Sasuke is no fool and he knows Kabuto's abilities quite well, so he wouldn't expect any less from Kabuto and he would know that the battle would lose quite some time. I never expected Kabuto to use Suiton, but yes it's true that normal fire attacks are rendered useless, but Sasuke has Raiton and Amaterasu. Raiton immobilizes water just the same Suigetsu was affected against Bee and the Summit.

Genjutsu is rendered useless and i won't argue there. Now for Kabuto to stop Sasuke's Susanoo that's easier said than done. He doesn't have any attacks that can shatter the Susanoo. He can make Sasuke withdraw through his senses and inability of using his eyes, but that's about it. White Rage takes prep and you know that very well. Sasuke's attack are 1 KO's literally, so he had to be careful when facing Kabuto. Now if Sasuke went relentless. I bet you that he could of prevented the attack from even activating. The dragon needs to coil itself in the orb and it's not an instant attacks that can immobilize you. I don't see how that attack will work on your favor. Muki Tensei has a better chance seeing as how the surroundings change, but Kabuto wouldn't know how to use Muki below the Susanoo to reach Sasuke. Only Gaara was the one who came up with that technique. Kabuto used different methods stopping Susanoo, which was sound and light to bypass the Susanoo's defenses to reach Sasuke. I give props to Kabuto for coming with strategic plans to stop Susanoo it was clever. He also was able to dodge powerful attacks from both Uchiha brothers. Now the thing here is that Kabuto's liquefaction abilities would be rendered useless by Sasuke's Chidori. Kabuto would end up paralyze enough for Sasuke to give him an onslaught of attacks. Kabuto needs to make handseals in order to activate his medical ninjutsu which Sasuke can read handseals just through his own Sharingan. So he will know when will heal and at that moment he will prevent unless Kabuto makes Sasuke go through an obstacle. By the way Tayuya's genjutsu only worked because Itachi and Sasuke weren't looking forward and Kabuto took the chance to hit them while they weren't looking. So her genjutsu is useless.

[USSJ Future Trunks]

didnt have advantages vs kabuto and were constantly on the back foot. compare to when deidara pain and kisame aimed to capture jins without killing them and still had the upper hand for most of the duel. but two uchiha bros who had techs that can disable kabutos movements pretty easily (using ammy on his legs) were unable to do so and as a result were losing until izanami activated

[Shinraa Tensei]

none of dem stands a chance agaisnt nagato if he could walk. none :/

[VariaBossX]

You didnt end anything.
Kabuto>Sasuke
Kabuto>Itachi
Kabuto>Nagato

You forgot to put edo in front of kabuto

[VariaBossX]

kabuto can kick the shit out of pple in hawk, Akatsuki, and kages...Due to edo tensei

[3MESSIAH]

if itachi or sasuke would face kabuto by themselves they would get pwned by that genjutsu that kabuto used.they only survived it because they used counter genjutsus on each other.they would get defeated on their own

[TheBrightSide]

Well if Kabuto keeps shedding Sasuke will spam his Amaterasu until Kabuto runs out of chakra. Sasuke was the first one to invent the dodging technique of Amaterasu against Itachi. Sasuke is well aware that Kabuto would do the same thing. Sasuke will find out a way to disable Kabuto. You think that he won't find a weakness in that little trick that he succeeded against Itachi in the Hideout? Shedding his skin won't do him good forever, because his chakra supply will suffer.

Invent the technique of dodging Amaterasu? Are you serious? All he did was run.

[LeEvilTongue]

Itachi's victory is instantaneous via Izanami but I think Kabuto would beat Sasuke.

I can't believe that over half of NB doesn't know how Izanami works...

[III HOKAGE III]

Kabuto sux. He had everything on his side to win n still lost so i agree with this thread.

[DesertAnbu45]

What do u mean "...MIGHT win inside a cave"?... Kabuto already beat Sasuke, like 2ice over, now, had it not been for Izanami....
Btw, Sasuke never used tha oral thing.. That was a substitution tech, back at tha hideout

[DesertAnbu45]

Originally Posted by SuperFlyzzED
Well if Kabuto keeps shedding Sasuke will spam his Amaterasu until Kabuto runs out of chakra. Sasuke was the first one to invent the dodging technique of Amaterasu against Itachi. Sasuke is well aware that Kabuto would do the same thing. Sasuke will find out a way to disable Kabuto. You think that he won't find a weakness in that little trick that he succeeded against Itachi in the Hideout? Shedding his skin won't do him good forever, because his chakra supply will suffer.

Invent the technique of dodging Amaterasu? Are you serious? All he did was run.

Lmao woah, that was funny...
Yup, superflyzzed's post ryt here just about sums up all tha credibility, I need to know about, for this thread

[Shikamaru1994]

lol Kabuto has Reanimation. Sasuke isn't winning any day soon.

[Zato]

NB must be filled with a lot of young minded people. I must be getting too old for this kind of stuff(well I know there are people out there worth debating with). Even though I have been following Naruto since the early 2000's. Its like with all the information given about abilities you would think people would just simply read and understand the logic that goes with them. People don't even understand that sound genjutsu is only special because its delivered by "sound" and it still has the same affects as a visual genjutsu. Nor do they realize Kabuto/Sasuke practically states that Kabuto had the field advantage hence the blinding/sound ability being majorly affective.

[PureSkillz]

Kabuto still has the sound genjutsu.

Sasuke is unable to counter Kabuto's techs,
while Kabuto's techs are almost specifically made
to counter the Uchiha bro's.

Susanoo for defence = White rage or flute counter
Susanoo arrow = Dodge
Amaterasu = Dodge or oral rebirth
Enton = Dodge or oral rebirth
Genjutsu = Fight with eyes closed.
Physical attacks = Liquefy

White Rage = No counter
Demon flute = No counter
Inorganic transmutation = No counter/dodge if lucky?
Kabuto's water style > Sasuke's fire style.


You sound unrealistic saying white rage would have a no effect outside. It's
still going to have an effect nonetheless, which would give Kabuto an opening.

[Arcane Angel]

You must be having a laugh if you seriously believe that Sasuke, or even Itachi, stands a chance against Kabuto. With or without Edo Tensei Sasuke's attacks are rendered useless. Also it doesn't matter where the location is cause Kabuto is basically custom built to be a perfect match up against Uchihas.

[SuperFlyzzED]

if itachi or sasuke would face kabuto by themselves they would get pwned by that genjutsu that kabuto used.they only survived it because they used counter genjutsus on each other.they would get defeated on their own

Wow do you even understand genjutsu at all? The difference is that Kabuto used sound genjutsu to paralyze them enough for a frontal attack. Did it work at the end? Nooo! The reason Sasuke and Itachi got caught by the sound genjutsu was because they were hiding behind their backs, instead of looking at Kabuto. So he took the chance and trapped both Sasuke and Itachi. Now, if Sasuke fought Kabuto and he was trapped the same way. I will then say that Kabuto officially won the match.

[DeadManWonderLand]

Sasuke wins via Amaterasu arrow to the face.

Except for the fact that kabuto already displayed the ability to dodge them up close so i don't why you even bothered saying this