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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFlyzzED View Post
    Well he did aim to kill Itachi although he was an Edo Zombie. Didn't he almost kill Sasuke with Muki Tensei? Anyways, he had the advantage thanks not only to his experimentation, but his location where the fight took place it amplified the powers he stole to intercept both Sasuke and Itachi. Besides the match was more Itachi vs Kabuto than Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto, because Sasuke barely contribute to the fight. He was just there to assist Itachi to help him have enough time for Izanami and save him a few times. You do realize Sasuke didn't use the Full Susanoo, Blaze Release: Magatama, Coated Arrows, he also had to prevent Kabuto from tagging Itachi, and he held more so than Itachi. Kabuto didn't look to me like he was holding back in this match. He was using all the Sound 5's powers, Orochimaru, Taka, and DSM. The only thing is that his jutsu's were less 1 KO's and he was careful in how to use them. Itachi and Sasuke had more complications because one it was the first time they fought as a team and second they had to capture Kabuto with genjutsu. In a way, Itachi was the one that complicated the match by telling Kabuto his intentions. I already said, Kabuto with Edo Tensei can beat the Uchiha's together or solo both of them. But alone without Edo's, Kabuto ultimately loses the match.
    nope

    Some of the stalagmites would have tried to hit Sasuke as well, but they only went for Itachi.

    @ underlined, probably because they realized he could render Susano'o useless.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    his next reasoning might be that we are bias because we have oro pics even though we are using facts and examples provided by the manga lol i thought a fan boy was someone who knows quite a deal about a certain character but nowadays fanboyism is just synonymous with disregarding facts and the manga in general /:
    Some fanboys aren't too bad. I'd say I'm that first kind of fanboy. But, yes, most fanboys are pretty bad...
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

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    nope

    Some of the stalagmites would have tried to hit Sasuke as well, but they only went for Itachi.

    @ underlined, probably because they realized he could render Susano'o useless.
    Yes, Itachi received most of the stalagmites, but some of those were going to hit Sasuke. So if Itachi didn't place the Susanoo on Sasuke. Sasuke would have been in critical-fatal conditions.

    @DeadManWonderland, i am not going to keep debating with you. The only that has flaws in there arguement is you. I didn't give the typical answers saying, Sasuke will dominate Kabuto the whole fight or Sasuke will beat him in three seconds or Sasuke will beat Kabuto to a bloody pulp with no effort. I call things out for what they seem here. Kishimoto might of planned Itachi to face Kabuto all by himself. The thing is that Kishimoto thought of a brilliant idea, which was bringing Sasuke to the picture to make the story more interesting. So i bet Kishimoto was planning to make an Itachi vs Kabuto match. Most people thought right away that Itachi was going to face Kabuto alone. Sasuke would just continue walking around until he found Naruto's whereabouts to fight him. Kishimoto had everyone or should i say most of us fooled. When chapter 574 ended with Sasuke defeating all those Zetsu. Most of people initially thought that Sasuke and Itachi weren't going to meet because Itachi entrusted Sasuke upon Naruto. Then chapter 576 comes and people think that Sasuke is just seeing an illusion when in fact it was Itachi all along. People said, Kishi is trolling us that's not Itachi but a figment in Sasuke's mind. When the next pages came people felt stupid for trolling themselves. Itachi was willing to stop Kabuto at all cost and even used crows to prevent Sasuke from further pursuing him. Sasuke goal wasn't to help Itachi defeat Kabuto it was to get information from him, so he had no choice but to help his brother first in order to get his answers to his questions. Sasuke barely fought Kabuto in that match. He didn't went beserk and crazy avenger on Kabuto. Itachi warned Sasuke to be careful and when Sasuke told Itachi can i kill him already. Itachi told him to just wait out for a little while. So if Itachi told Sasuke to not kill Kabuto and Sasuke wanted to kill Kabuto to prevent any complications. That only means Itachi was aware that Sasuke could take on Kabuto. He missed the arrow, so what? Itachi told Sasuke to be careful when he shot the arrow and he lost his concentration that made him unable to trap Kabuto's snake tail. But who cares? Because Kabuto got trapped the second time! I already stated many facts and if you didn't see the fight it's obvious that Sasuke wasn't doing much at all. People were pissed more with Sasuke, because he didn't show any EMS abilities against Kabuto.
     
         
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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFlyzzED View Post
    Yes, Itachi received most of the stalagmites, but some of those were going to hit Sasuke. So if Itachi didn't place the Susanoo on Sasuke. Sasuke would have been in critical-fatal conditions.

    @DeadManWonderland, i am not going to keep debating with you. The only that has flaws in there arguement is you. I didn't give the typical answers saying, Sasuke will dominate Kabuto the whole fight or Sasuke will beat him in three seconds or Sasuke will beat Kabuto to a bloody pulp with no effort. I call things out for what they seem here. Kishimoto might of planned Itachi to face Kabuto all by himself. The thing is that Kishimoto thought of a brilliant idea, which was bringing Sasuke to the picture to make the story more interesting. So i bet Kishimoto was planning to make an Itachi vs Kabuto match. Most people thought right away that Itachi was going to face Kabuto alone. Sasuke would just continue walking around until he found Naruto's whereabouts to fight him. Kishimoto had everyone or should i say most of us fooled. When chapter 574 ended with Sasuke defeating all those Zetsu. Most of people initially thought that Sasuke and Itachi weren't going to meet because Itachi entrusted Sasuke upon Naruto. Then chapter 576 comes and people think that Sasuke is just seeing an illusion when in fact it was Itachi all along. People said, Kishi is trolling us that's not Itachi but a figment in Sasuke's mind. When the next pages came people felt stupid for trolling themselves. Itachi was willing to stop Kabuto at all cost and even used crows to prevent Sasuke from further pursuing him. Sasuke goal wasn't to help Itachi defeat Kabuto it was to get information from him, so he had no choice but to help his brother first in order to get his answers to his questions. Sasuke barely fought Kabuto in that match. He didn't went beserk and crazy avenger on Kabuto. Itachi warned Sasuke to be careful and when Sasuke told Itachi can i kill him already. Itachi told him to just wait out for a little while. So if Itachi told Sasuke to not kill Kabuto and Sasuke wanted to kill Kabuto to prevent any complications. That only means Itachi was aware that Sasuke could take on Kabuto. He missed the arrow, so what? Itachi told Sasuke to be careful when he shot the arrow and he lost his concentration that made him unable to trap Kabuto's snake tail. But who cares? Because Kabuto got trapped the second time! I already stated many facts and if you didn't see the fight it's obvious that Sasuke wasn't doing much at all. People were pissed more with Sasuke, because he didn't show any EMS abilities against Kabuto.
    Look at the picture a little closer. There are several stalagmites aimed at Itachi. Even the one at the top right that's closer to Sasuke is aimed at Itachi. There's only one that I see that could be really aiming at Sasuke, the others are at Itachi or off to the side because of the water-like properties of the Jutsu. Kabuto can't control the earth down to the last minute detail, so some (or one) will appear as if they're aimed at him.

    Here's the full shot,

    "You're my guinea pig." Kabuto never wanted to harm Sasuke.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

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    I was unaware that we were debating seeing as to debate once must bring evidence and facts to the table which you did not you contradicted yourself on every foolish point you tried to make.And saying your done 'debating' and leaving the thread does not make you correct in any sense of the word if you do not want to continue to discuss the topic by all means i am fine with it.Just know in the future do not comment on things you are not prepared to even look into.You said his arrows could hit him your wrong.You said it didnt seem like kabuto was trying to hold back.He does not need to hold back on a character that cant die.You said he would of injured sasuke.That is fine he is trying to take his body as long as he does not kill him injuring him is fine because we already know kabuto did not plan on killing sasuke so any mention of him getting hurt is rendered moot.We also know kabuto wanted itachi back under his control (while knowing he cant die)so he was able to use any ninjustu he wanted to attempt to subdue him.You also pointed out that a battle without edo nin would put the battle in the uchiha favor well that makes no sense as kabuto never once deployed a single edo nin during that battle not to mention he was fighting an edo nin himself.You then turn around and try to say he had home turf.It is true he had a homefield advantage but you some how lack the fact the battle is a 2 on 1.One of them has an ems and one with a ms that cant doe with unlimitd chakra.Your opinions do not decide the outcome of the battle.I feel bad for you if you truly do not understand your own faulty logic.I am also not trying to say kabuto would win hands down in a one on one with sasuke but you cannot callously say sasuke will win that is the epitome of noob thinking.I do believe on the other hand that he cannot beat itachi regardless of how many abilities he has even if itachi was alive because he has izanami.
    Oh please. Your choice of words don't phase me. First, Kabuto can't dodge the arrows forever. Second, the outcome is simple and Kabuto will lose so stop trying to brainwash me into accepting your vague point of view. Sasuke already surpassed Itachi, so that shows me that your point of view is terrible. Izanami won't work on Sasuke because he has more of clue of his destiny, unlike Kabuto. All this badass charade just to look inferior once Itachi spewed words into him. Stop using the 2 on 1 situation. Sasuke fought Team 7 and won. Madara fought the Kages and won. Some ninjas have fought multiple opponents and came out the victor. Kabuto was so boastful on how he was going to defeat the Uchiha's. At the end he made himself look bad for overestimating himself. Sasuke had no choice but to follow Itachi's orders. Do you really think Sasuke would of gone that easy on Kabuto. He was just playing defense the entire match and barely went on the offense, except when he tried to trap him with the Susanoo Arrow, the sword, Chidori Sharp Spear, and saving Itachi with Amaterasu. Sasuke didn't do anything, while Kabuto used every trick on the book against them.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFlyzzED View Post
    Oh please. Your choice of words don't phase me. First, Kabuto can't dodge the arrows forever. Second, the outcome is simple and Kabuto will lose so stop trying to brainwash me into accepting your vague point of view. Sasuke already surpassed Itachi, so that shows me that your point of view is terrible. Izanami won't work on Sasuke because he has more of clue of his destiny, unlike Kabuto. All this badass charade just to look inferior once Itachi spewed words into him. Stop using the 2 on 1 situation. Sasuke fought Team 7 and won. Madara fought the Kages and won. Some ninjas have fought multiple opponents and came out the victor. Kabuto was so boastful on how he was going to defeat the Uchiha's. At the end he made himself look bad for overestimating himself. Sasuke had no choice but to follow Itachi's orders. Do you really think Sasuke would of gone that easy on Kabuto. He was just playing defense the entire match and barely went on the offense, except when he tried to trap him with the Susanoo Arrow, the sword, Chidori Sharp Spear, and saving Itachi with Amaterasu. Sasuke didn't do anything, while Kabuto used every trick on the book against them.
    Remember that Sasuke can run out of chakra as well, so he won't be able to use Susano'o and Amaterasu forever. EMS just gets rid of the intense eye strain and the chance of going blind.

    And please show where the manga said Kabuto used every trick in the book. He has Sage Mode and displayed 2 Sage Arts. Do you really think that's all he had?

    Also, it's odd that you're saying Sasuke basically wasn't even in the fight when he saved Itachi at least twice, and attacked Kabuto multiple times.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by HiddenSound View Post
    Remember that Sasuke can run out of chakra as well, so he won't be able to use Susano'o and Amaterasu forever. EMS just gets rid of the intense eye strain and the chance of going blind.

    And please show where the manga said Kabuto used every trick in the book. He has Sage Mode and displayed 2 Sage Arts. Do you really think that's all he had?

    Also, it's odd that you're saying Sasuke basically wasn't even in the fight when he saved Itachi at least twice, and attacked Kabuto multiple times.
    Well since i have to watch that fight again, since i am bit confused if the match ended when Itachi said, Izanami in the first clash with Kabuto. But if i'm wrong, he did used Sound 5's powers, Oro's powers, and his scalpel to bisect Itachi. Even though by the time the match was in Izanami another world from reality. Kabuto used Suiton against the brothers as well. It depends, because i can't tell when the match ended and if he used the Sound 5's power in Izanami state.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFlyzzED View Post
    Well since i have to watch that fight again, since i am bit confused if the match ended when Itachi said, Izanami in the first clash with Kabuto. But if i'm wrong, he did used Sound 5's powers, Oro's powers, and his scalpel to bisect Itachi. Even though by the time the match was in Izanami another world from reality. Kabuto used Suiton against the brothers as well. It depends, because i can't tell when the match ended and if he used the Sound 5's power in Izanami state.
    I just reread it not long ago. It activated after Kabuto stabbed Itachi with Sasuke's sword the first time. That's the moment when Itachi's eye first went blind and all the events, like Kabuto's horn getting cut and water dripping on his shoulder, started to happen. So he used every Jutsu from the beginning up to the Water Style Jutsu in reality.
     
         

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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeadManWonderLand View Post
    What is the point you are trying to get across you contradicted yourself multiple times and other times just straight out wrong.And now you admit to being somewhat confused on the battle your trying to discuss ? Why are you so stubborn in the face of facts ? The world is not going to end because you were wrong about a few things we have all been wrong before once or twice on narutobase.Stop sweating it so much.
    Dude stop saying words that don't even define me. I know when i contradict myself or not. I told Sound that i saw the jutsu display that Kabuto did in that fight, but i couldn't remember if the match ended early on, because i always thought in a way that it could have been a figment. I am no perfectionist, but your really getting me flustered with your responses. Did i ask you? It means you stick your nose where it doesn't belong.
     
         
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    Re: To end the feud of Kabuto and use Nagato as an example.

    Kabuto lost incredible chakra controlling Edo Tensei, yet he fought decently against the brothers...plus Kabuto's attacks were destructive and Itatchi knew that...Sasuke alone would have been killed , no offense, though... but both of them are strong yet Kabuto has the intellect needed to win this one. Itatchi on the other hand was smarter so he came up with a plan which worked.
     
         

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